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blob2
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted September 13, 2014 01:09 AM |
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Geez, why so many people are against Dragons in a Heroes game? A faction full of generic humans is okay, but dragons are oh-so boooring. I just don't understand...
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 01:16 AM |
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They could make a Dragon town, if it was me - not in Ashan, of course, but why not?
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted September 13, 2014 01:20 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
They could make a Dragon town, if it was me - not in Ashan, of course, but why not?
I would undoubtedly s*it my pants if there was one...
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 13, 2014 01:26 AM |
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blob2 said:
Geez, why so many people are against Dragons in a Heroes game? A faction full of generic humans is okay, but dragons are oh-so boooring. I just don't understand...
i think the issue was the completely uninspired and redundant dragons of Heroes 5
the phoenix of Sylvan was swapped out in production for the emerald dragon, and the red dragon was the shadow dragon before TotE, so from an aesthetic standpoint we wound up with three green dragons, three undead dragons, 2.5 black dragons, and three fire dragons
so you end up with literally half of the tier 7 units of the game being dragons, which is as lame as all hell and totally cheapens the idea of, well, you know, being a rare and mighty dragon
overkill
think about the more unique creatures we could have had, for some variety, instead of all the damn dragons
and it was not like in Heroes 3 where at least the abundant dragons all looked unique
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 01:42 AM |
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If Dragons would look like this, it would be totally, royally awesome: 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 13, 2014 01:56 AM |
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blob2 said:
JollyJoker said:
They could make a Dragon town, if it was me - not in Ashan, of course, but why not?
I would undoubtedly s*it my pants if there was one...
Quick, change your pants!
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leiah2
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posted September 13, 2014 02:26 AM |
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Just a thought, this is the description for Strenght of The Forest:
This strategy is the one often used by the Sylvan army to defend their cities and sacred lands
It clearly states that they use this tactic to defend their homes, how are they supposed to be played aggresively if this is the case? Is'nt that what Sylvan is about, frail units with high speed and dmg. This feels like a tactic that would no work outside of Irollans forests
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 13, 2014 03:02 AM |
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snakes & PHOENIXES!?!!!!
JollyJoker said:
...Plus, I would love to have snakes in.
Took me 5 seconds to decide.
same;
EARTHS PERFECT BALANCE! FTW!
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 13, 2014 03:24 AM |
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exodustpa
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 04:19 AM |
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Go for Phoenixes, awesome flyers with self resurrection 
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Hotarubi
Known Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 06:32 AM |
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Edited by Hotarubi at 06:34, 13 Sep 2014.
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So... I just caught up on everything. And, I honestly cannot decide.
CAN WE PLEASE GET SOME ARTWORK OR MORE DETAILS ON ABILITIES? I hate having to decide when I don't know what I'm gonna get, either from an aesthetic standpoint or a technical one. Let's face it, the descriptions are very inconsistent and there are too many unknowns. I'm not too crazy about snakes... that's why I'm saying, if there are no models yet or full ability descriptions, give us some artwork!
STRENGTH PROS
- the only unicorn inclusion. +1 to nostalgia/tradition
STRENGTH CONS
- all walkers? How the hell are they gonna survive when initiating a siege? The hunters and druids will get picked on by turrets and ranged units.
- no sprites. -1 to nostalgia/tradition
- snakes are gross. Personal preference. Again, unless we get some artwork that might change my mind.
STRENGTH UNCERTAINTY
- it depends on the overall game feel and whether flyers are much more valuable. But all walkers? At least haven gets the Seraph.
- I'm assuming Dryad supporting Treants will be similar to symbiosis. But it's worded in such a way that the Treants are getting supported? Or is it the dryads? Or both? The grammar's a little awkward.
- Dryads are support units, but to what extent do they support the other units? They gotta have some use if you pick the Dragons over the Treants. Plus, what would be their role early game? Like I said, some ability descriptions please!
- I'm assuming snakes aren't very sturdy, and act as Hunter protectors just until you get Druids and Treants.
- Unicorns magic resistance- is it gonna be a one space aura again? Being useful at the start of battle only (if the resistance even triggers)?
- need more info on Emerald Knights
EPB PROS
- hooray for sprites. + 1 for nostalgia/tradition
- hooray for phoenixes. Sorceress/Preserve (H1,2,4) make a comeback! Also, I cannot condone slow-a#% treants being champs. Unless treants have an ability to FORCE enemies to target it instead of Hunters or some comparable ability, they shouldn't be champs. Finally, Phoenix being a ressurective creature makes it difficult for enemies to decide whether to target them first or the flank.
- 3 mandatory rooters means total non-siege battlefield crowd control. The best option to protect the flank, UNLESS we are told of what the Moon Doe and Dryads can do with their support abilities.
EPB CONS
- no unicorns. -1 for nostalgia/tradition
- Treants become mandatory, but without Dryad support? WTF is this? Also, I personally want Dryads and Pixies separate. No Dryads in lineup is sad face.
- snakes are gross. Personal preference. Again, unless we get some artwork that might change my mind.
EPB UNCERTAINTIES
- need more info on Emerald Knights
- great balance of roles between the units. Lineup can be used offensively or defensively. But is this how Sylvan's intended to be, given the prior faction descriptions?
FURY PROS
- pixies present. +1 for nostalgia/tradition
- Druids, Hunters, Blade Dancers all present is consistent with Sylvan lore (about each elf choosing one of the three roles)
- distinction between pixies and dryads! Hooray King's Bounty!
FURY CONS
- unicorns absent. -1 for nostalgia/tradition
- blade dancers. EEEEWWW!! From a personal POV, hate them as units. As Champions? Even worse. Replace them with Emerald Knights and I might re-think it.
- Fury is supposed to be "skirmish" lineup, and yet we are robbed of the presence of the "strike and return" unit, the Emerald Knight? How the hell does that make any sense? Again, remove those fug Blade Dancers, thanks!
FURY UNCERTAINTIES
- I'm assuming Dryad supporting Treants will be similar to symbiosis. But it's worded in such a way that the Treants are getting supported? Or is it the dryads? Or both? The grammar's a little awkward.
- Dryads are support units, but to what extent do they support the other units? They gotta have some use if you pick the Dragons over the Treants. Plus, what would be their role early game? Like I said, some ability descriptions please!
- I like the Doe unit, I really do. But it depends on their abilities. They have supporting abilities, but WHAT?! Tell me more FFS! Make the presence of the Blade Dancer somewhat redeemable.
- "The Champions are protected by Treants and Dryads working together, keeping them safe until their army prevails." The treant is the champion...wtf does this even mean? Clearer descriptions please.
Bottom line is, Options 1 and 3 have a fair amount of unknowns, as well as A LOT of inconsistent descriptions. I think this is why #2 is leading.Not only are the descriptions pretty straightforward, the lineup is also familiar (H5 Sylvan can be played offensively or defensively as well).
I'm definitely not using my 3 accounts to vote for 1. If 2 is leading right now, I might vote for 3 just because I'm most curious about it, despite the unfortunate presence of the Blade Dancers as a champ. Like, seriously? If they can't give us tentative ability descriptions, some artworks that will be used for in-game models would be nice. I'll probably wait till the umpteenth hour to vote. ARTWORKS PLEASE!
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 06:44 AM |
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Blade Dancers would be fine if they don't look like those shemales from H5. Make them manlier and give them better abilities.
I'm voting for Sylvan's Fury because I think I might not like those Emerald Knights. I don't like snakes in the Sylvan lineup as well.
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exodustpa
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 07:54 AM |
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Have to agree with jeremiah on the H5 blade dancers being god damn sissy, either u have manlier ones or just make them female :X
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 08:10 AM |
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Elvin said:
Marzhin just confirmed that H7 green dragons are going to be walkers 
Seems like Ubi had already assumed fans would choose the lineup with the Phoenix, that way it's the only balanced champion set. And it's disappointing though, I liked the H5 Green Dragons and I would love to see Treants as champions but two walkers would be lame and only 1 core flyer is too H6 Stronghold (though now it's 99% certain Wyvern or Thunderbird will be back as the trend seems to be 1 flyer/teleporter champion for each faction)...
To me it also seems the poll has been reduced to Unicorn vs Phoenix, pure nostalgia... At least we will get to see the snake. Regardless of the inclusion of snakes, I'm sure many will detest the final Sylvan lineup as the elite set is race-heavy in all variations and the Emerald Knight with strike and return is just the usual Elven unit knockoff.
Oh and including Unicorn & Phoenix in the same lineup would have been almost a complete Heroes 2 redux with only Dwarves missing...
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted September 13, 2014 08:12 AM |
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The Green Dragons being walkers does change things. Strength of the Forest will be too tankish and I prefer a more offensive Sylvan, Earth's Perfect Balance has a better playing style, but it means we will have two bird champions. And finally Sylanna's Fury, this is probably my preferred one in terms of playing style, but why can't they just replace the Blade Dancer with the Emerald Knight? And this one has no significant flyers, only Pixies and I doubt they will last long in a siege. Moon Doe sounds interesting though.
I really don't know what to root for any more 
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JeremiahEmo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 08:16 AM |
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Moderator note: You've been asked before to drop this topic. Don't take it up again.
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Kurush
Known Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 09:37 AM |
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Edited by Kurush at 09:37, 13 Sep 2014.
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Kronos1000 said:
The Green Dragons being walkers does change things. Strength of the Forest will be too tankish and I prefer a more offensive Sylvan, Earth's Perfect Balance has a better playing style, but it means we will have two bird champions. And finally Sylanna's Fury, this is probably my preferred one in terms of playing style, but why can't they just replace the Blade Dancer with the Emerald Knight? And this one has no significant flyers, only Pixies and I doubt they will last long in a siege. Moon Doe sounds interesting though.
I really don't know what to root for any more
Treants already control roots, why not make them a teleporter who shapeshifts into roots, and the back into the treant at the destination point.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 11:02 AM |
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37 37 26 now.
It's really a hard vote, but not because the choices are equally good. But because it's confusing more than anything. First of all, people have forgotten that they don't vote only "creatures", they vote a playstyle. So those voting for Phoenixes or spamming Unicorn pics.. I kinda pity you. Do you realize that you're dragging Sylvan into a defensive line-up because of pure nostalgia?
Whatever. I think that the fault lies with the presentation tho. It's insufficient, and I understand that Limbic couldn't do anything about it because they didn't make any assets for it before the previous vote. Still, this is to me that sort of a situation where I have to take a decision based on some general lines. It's ok, I can cope with that, but I might as well regret it later.
That said, I voted for Fury. I don't really care about creatures as much as I do about the line-up's playstyle. Defensive is just out of the question for me. Why did I chose an agile faction if what they have to do is turtle? So Strength, no thank you. Balance? maybe. Yet I don't quite like the Phoenix/Moonix with Sylvan. But Fury is imo the true nature of Sylvan. Fast but frail damage dealers. Glass cannon.
But with the vote going in the direction of the first two options I might reconsider. Although it's a shame. Fury would've been best, and maybe with some pressure they might've tweaked the line-up a bit. Dryad and pixies? Whose smart idea was that. I never hated on Blade Dancers per se, on the contrary I thought the concept was quite cool, just their models being so feminine. And I think Moon Doe would be a nice breath of fresh air, so might as well give them a chance. Not gonna happen.
My only hope is the future insights coming next week as Marzhin said. If that won't make people change their minds and vote for Fury, then I'll change my vote to Balance.
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted September 13, 2014 11:04 AM |
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Stevie said:
37 37 26 now.
It's really a hard vote, but not because the choices are equally good. But because it's confusing more than anything. First of all, people have forgotten that they don't vote only "creatures", they vote a playstyle. So those voting for Phoenixes or spamming Unicorn pics.. I kinda pity you. Do you realize that you're dragging Sylvan into a defensive line-up because of pure nostalgia?
Whatever. I think that the fault lies with the presentation tho. It's insufficient, and I understand that Limbic couldn't do anything about it because they didn't make any assets for it before the previous vote. Still, this is to me that sort of a situation where I have to take a decision based on some general lines. It's ok, I can cope with that, but I might as well regret it later.
That said, I voted for Fury. I don't really care about creatures as much as I do about the line-up's playstyle. Defensive is just out of the question for me. Why did I chose an agile faction if what they have to do is turtle? So Strength, no thank you. Balance? maybe. Yet I don't quite like the Phoenix/Moonix with Sylvan. But Fury is imo the true nature of Sylvan. Fast but frail damage dealers. Glass cannon.
But with the vote going in the direction of the first two options I might reconsider. Although it's a shame. Fury would've been best, and maybe with some pressure they might've tweaked the line-up a bit. Dryad and pixies? Whose smart idea was that. I never hated on Blade Dancers per se, on the contrary I thought the concept was quite cool, just their models being so feminine. And I think Moon Doe would be a nice breath of fresh air, so might as well give them a chance. Not gonna happen.
My only hope is the future insights coming next week as Marzhin said. If that won't make people change their minds and vote for Fury, then I'll change my vote to Balance.
I totally agree with you, every word
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 13, 2014 11:09 AM |
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Stevie said:
It's really a hard vote, but not because the choices are equally good. But because it's confusing more than anything. First of all, people have forgotten that they don't vote only "creatures", they vote a playstyle. So those voting for Phoenixes or spamming Unicorn pics.. I kinda pity you. Do you realize that you're dragging Sylvan into a defensive line-up because of pure nostalgia?
Marzhin said:
Dwarfurious said:
One of the biggest themes in peoples reasoning, was that Haven already filled the "Defensive" Faction role so Fortress was not needed.
And now we see how flawed that reasoning was, could of made Fortress an Offensive faction (i had argued it already would be)
Sylvan is Sylvan. The overall faction strategy is very different than Fortress or Haven. Even if one of the proposed line ups is a bit more defensive than the other two doesn't mean the faction suddenly turns into a tankfest. 
Maybe it's just the way I read it. But from what I can gather, Strength of the Forest isn't so much a turtle as it is an Ambush. It's about getting your opponent where you want them first and then hitting them hard in the flanks.
Also:OmegaDestroyer said:
Sylvan without Unicorns is heresy pure and simple.
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