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War-overlord
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posted September 12, 2014 10:15 PM |
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TDL said:
EDIT @ Sorts
Marzhin confirmed in the other thread green dragon will indeed be a walker (if included).
Look closely.
The Green Dragon is in all 3 line-ups.
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VOTE UNICORNS!
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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted September 12, 2014 10:15 PM |
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I think Ubisoft and the devs should stop "Ashanify" classic and mythological creatures.
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TDL
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The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted September 12, 2014 10:17 PM |
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War-overlord said:
TDL said:
EDIT @ Sorts
Marzhin confirmed in the other thread green dragon will indeed be a walker (if included).
Look closely.
The Green Dragon is in all 3 line-ups.
P.S.
VOTE UNICORNS!
All the more solidified they made sylvan the defensive faction this time around. For the good or the worse...
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VOKIALBG
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First in line
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posted September 12, 2014 10:18 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
I think Ubisoft and the devs should stop "Ashanify" classic and mythological creatures.
Give the man a QP!
36%-37% now, we are catching up, boy and girls! Just a little more!
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ChrisD1
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posted September 12, 2014 10:24 PM |
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TDL said:
All the more solidified they made sylvan the defensive faction this time around. For the good or the worse...
ok i promise i will stop eventually but who told you the green dragon is a defending unit? more like balanced-offensive.
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Naze
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posted September 12, 2014 10:27 PM |
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With Sylvan-Fortress, Ubisoft got my curiosity, but now with the line-up vote, they got my attention. I think, I will vote for SYLANNA'S FURY, since I always prefer aggressive tactics to defending. But EARTH’S PERFECT BALANCE has also some nice creatures...
Just for the peace of my mind, I have to share my idea for a perfect line-up:
Core: hunter, dryad, root python (the idea sounds awesome, I hope, they will look like those wooden worms from Maleficent)
Elite: druid, blade dancer, moon doe/sun deer
Champion: treant and phoenix
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TDL
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The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted September 12, 2014 10:28 PM |
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Green dragon/Emerald dragon: tough damage dealer with average move range and area of effect damage
^ Average move range.
Unless it has magic resistance, get slow and the creature is stopped in its tracks. Pretty much the hydra of h4. 
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flonembourg
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posted September 12, 2014 10:32 PM |
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Now with the fews news information:
1/Dragon being a walkers
2/Strenght of the forest line up = The defensive Line-up
I changed my vote for Earth Perfect Balance.
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ChrisD1
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posted September 12, 2014 10:32 PM |
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TDL said:
Green dragon/Emerald dragon: tough damage dealer with average move range and area of effect damage
^ Average move range.
Unless it has magic resistance, get slow and the creature is stopped in its tracks. Pretty much the hydra of h4.
area of efect damage. compensates for the so bad "average" (not even bad) move range. an offensive unit does not mean necessarily kill the opposing one, on first round (given the fact that this unit plays first)
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posted September 12, 2014 10:37 PM |
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TDL said:
By the time you buy treants (champions) you will have had a full roster of tanks. And you get two tanks as champions. It pretty much is Order faction from H4 all over. Just make treants elites and we are good to go.
That said, I can only say people get what they deserve: choosing too many dwarves and their supposedly defensive lineup for a defensive sylvan. Oh, the irony.
EDIT @ Sorts
Marzhin confirmed in the other thread green dragon will indeed be a walker (if included).
It's funny how you seem to know exactly how the faction will play and how each of the units in the lineup is a tank before it's even created...
Also:
Marzhin said:
Sylvan is Sylvan. The overall faction strategy is very different than Fortress or Haven. Even if one of the proposed line ups is a bit more defensive than the other two doesn't mean the faction suddenly turns into a tankfest. 
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted September 12, 2014 10:40 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
About your second comment, you want to have Treants in your lineup in the end game, not just as soon as possible for tanking. In H5 Treants were T6 units and weren't exactly easy to get but nobody was complaining about them.
In H5 nobody BUILT treants  It was the wrong thing to do when you could aim for castle and dragons by end of week 2.
And I consider an elite treant early enough. Should be possible to build week 2 which would be of tremendous help in creeping.
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Naze
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posted September 12, 2014 10:47 PM |
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Look, what I have found back in Heroes 6 artwork thread:
I knew, I have seen the idea of moon/sun deers already. They have to make it to the game. Finally, elves can be badass. AWAY WITH UNICORNS!
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TDL
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posted September 12, 2014 10:57 PM |
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Naze said:
COME FORTH WITH THE NECRODEER/NIGHTMEER!!!!!!!!!! 
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odium
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posted September 12, 2014 11:01 PM |
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Edited by odium at 23:07, 12 Sep 2014.
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As someone else said before, I believe that none of the lineups are great. They all have major faults. For me, the most important consideration would be the feel of the race. I really enjoyed the H5 ideology of high initiative "glass cannons". So, from this perspective, Sylanna's Fury seemed the most appropriate. But when looking at the core units, we have: Dryad/Oak dryad and Pixie/Sprite. What the heck, in H5 they were the same creature. No matter what they do, these 2 will be way too similar. It's really really bad unit setup. I think they did not want to take this route at all, hence this major issue.
Then I said, ok I really like Unicorns for Sylvan. I am one of those that started with Heroes3 and it simply is unnatural for me to not have elves with unicorns  . I actually cast my vote for the "Strength of the forest" option. But reading through the description of the concept, I saw this: "It’s based upon the magic protection offered by the Unicorns and a powerful synergy between the Dryads and the Treants...". This is probably a design mistake on their part. You simply cannot have an optional champion and you base your strategy on the synergy between another creature and this optional champion. It means that you will always be forced to have Treants as champions.
Therefore, in the end I changed my vote to "Earth's perfect balance". The thing is that they will really need to make the perfect balance (of the gameplay sort ) in order to make both attack and defense viable. I don't see them being able to do that. Then there is the problem of the lack of the unicorn... In any case, from an overall gameplay perspective I do feel that this is the less damaging option.
It really is a shame that they did not think through more on the options as none of them seem complete/good to me.
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Storm-Giant
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On the Other Side!
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posted September 12, 2014 11:12 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Elvin said:
A more important question is why would someone support a treant champion?
I would because i think it adds to diversity
The diversity of two slow walking champions, folks!
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alcibiades
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posted September 12, 2014 11:12 PM |
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Elvin said:
I wonder who thought it was a good idea to add snakes. Some woodland being in sylvan would indeed be cool but.. snakes? Next thing we know necro has spiders. Why the hell? But still better than having dryad and sprite in core, not thematically but balance-wise. A ranged unit and a fast no retaliation glass cannon could use some entangle support.
A more important question is why would someone support a treant champion? It's a freaking tree that soaks up damage. It would require some really impressive and imaginative specials to justify its position there, otherwise a slow tank champion sounds about as exciting as watching a log rot.. Don't get me wrong, I would miss the treants if they were gone from the lineup. But elite is as good as it gets and they are definitely needed there. If you want some tanking done, you want it early.
Phoenixes on the other hand are a majestic creature that has always had its place in sylvan. I see complaints about a fiery creature in a woodland faction. You must realize that 1) a phoenix does not have to be covered in flames all over 2) that the phoenix's rebirth is an allusion to the changing of seasons 3) that the phoenix is awesome, deal with it 
Putting unicorns in one lineup only seems a joke, it's one of the most iconic sylvan units. Worse yet, it is not in the lineup with phoenix. Heresy! I don't particularly care about the emerald warriors but if they are the lynx-riding warriors, their presence will be more tolerable. But really, do we need 3 elves? Hunter and druid should do. Sun doe sounds cool, I might have liked it better in a different lineup. Would make a decent light magic summon too.
And an observation. Nowhere is it mentioned that green dragons can fly. Sylanna also happens to have an avatar of an earth-based dragon with crystals and vegetation growing out of her body. I'm sensing a pattern
I agree with you on the Snake, I dislike animal creatures being added to line-ups in general, and the snake just seems like a plain bad fit for Sylvan - I mean, Snakes are not particularly associated with woodlands, nor are they associated with natural spirits. If we were talking about a witch faction in swamp I'd see the connection, but here ...?
Treants for champions is ... probably going to be problUH5, at least in terms of their HP, and it's worth taking notice of the fact that even as a level 6, they were not overpowered in spite of having HP comparable to several level 7's. That does not bode well for the likelyhood of people actually picking them as a champion over a dragon, although the fact that dragon is walker does help a bit.
I don't share your enthusiasm for the Phoenix in Sylvan, even less so if it's a Moonix. The connection didn't strike me as perfect back in H4, and the magic bird in Academy just makes a Moonix plain redundant (I mean, can you seriously imagine the game being launched with a Moonix AND a "magic bird"?).
The Doe is not such a bad idea and I could accept that, but I would still prefer the Unicorn, and both would be a bit of overkill. It would be nice to know more about the Emerald Knights in order to get an impression of how much more these are desired than Sword Dancers, have they leaked ANY information on the knights? And is it a mistake that with one faction they say "strike and return" and with the other it says "strike and retribution"?
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Naze
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posted September 12, 2014 11:21 PM |
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alcibiades said:
I agree with you on the Snake, I dislike animal creatures being added to line-ups in general, and the snake just seems like a plain bad fit for Sylvan - I mean, Snakes are not particularly associated with woodlands, nor are they associated with natural spirits. If we were talking about a witch faction in swamp I'd see the connection, but here ...?
Since they are called "Root snake/Root python", I imagine them like the "root worms" from Maleficent:
And they look pretty cool and fit the Sylvan theme very well. With the EARTH’S PERFECT BALANCE we would have a "wooden" creature in each - core, elite and champion tier.
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verriker
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posted September 12, 2014 11:23 PM |
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yeah, on second thought, I don't like the logistics of this vote very much
there's a really good faction in there somewhere between the three lineups, but the arrangements they've decided on all have major flaws for the reasons stated, either for reasons of aesthetics, or redundancy, or foreseeable balance, or the imposed Ashan garbage
so the result is we'll have a flawed lineup no matter what, all because of this design by committee, which sucks
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Valen-Teen
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posted September 12, 2014 11:25 PM |
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First lineup is bad cause Dryads don't work in full power without Treants so you must to choose them :/
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War-overlord
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posted September 12, 2014 11:27 PM |
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Valen-Teen said:
First lineup is bad cause Dryads don't work in full power without Treants so you must to choose them :/
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