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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 16, 2014 10:21 PM |
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Edited by yogi at 22:23, 16 Sep 2014.
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red_flag said:
Very nice forest phoenix (if it can be named like this) picture
lovely!
JeremiahEmo said:
foxxxer said:
JeremiahEmo said:
Plus, H4 Nature was one of the worst part of Sylvan. H4 Nature and Sorceress factions are actually two of the worst factions in Heroes history.
You forgot to write down "in my opinion"
it's not just my opinion actually. It's a fact.
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hammerhand said:
pheonix and roc/thunder bird have been in one game many times
while i would prefer that phoenix be neutral or academy, im hoping that if sylvan gets her, then the magic bird of academy will be roc/thunderbird.
@Stevie: good post; but phoenix being in sylvan is better than no phoenix at all.
@Elvin: great post!
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PhoenixMK
Hired Hero
Burn baby, BURN!!!
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posted September 16, 2014 10:27 PM |
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EARTH’S PERFECT BALANCE is the best choice I presume.
As I saw, there are many complaints about the new creatures. People, stop being nostalgic, the game would be dull if the creatures are always the same. We need something new, something different from old HoMM games.
No matter which line-up will win, Sylvan will have traditional units.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted September 16, 2014 11:31 PM |
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Just a not..Dear Ubi, when you say deer in a army line-up I imagine this:
(Giant rish Elk/Deer
Not this
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 16, 2014 11:32 PM |
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Edited by blizz at 23:33, 16 Sep 2014.
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Yes this might not be the final art but it's probably not far from the finished product either. They wouldn't attach some completely random pictures and give us wrong impressions on the creatures.
-They are clearly going for another "female spirit" with that Dryad.
Remember glories, water and ice maidens? Yeah I wish I wouldn't either.
-The deer looks really boring. It's basically a normal deer with some light stripes. A Deer version of glory and they even look more fitting for Haven.
I would take Unicorns over that any day.
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Methven
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 17, 2014 06:19 AM |
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Edited by Methven at 06:21, 17 Sep 2014.
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Hello everyone, I'm new here! I've enjoyed reading all the different discussions on here for a long time and decided to finally register and share my thoughts. I know what I've written here is long, but I also hope you find it insightful! 
Pixie – I like them and find this design better than what we had in H1, H2, H3 and H4. Some people have proposed a ‘swarm’ of them to compensate for their small size however, a single (smallish) Pixie with a bright magical glow is more what I would like.
Dryad – I agree with some others here that it is very similar to the Pixie in original concept and that it looks like the Spring Spirits of H6. I don’t agree, however, that Dryads would be less useful if the Treant were not chosen as champion. Sure, you may lose one ability but perhaps the freedom from having to support the Treants allows the Dryads to act in other ways, such as being a more offensive rather than supportive piece of the army.
Root Snake – I’m all for innovation, so I like this as a new idea for a Sylvan creature. I’m not too sure about the snake’s malicious nature however, as others have said, it doesn’t seem to suit the elves of Irollan. However to me a snake certainly fits the forest. Its burrowing could lead to an interesting ability during sieges, filling the role of a flyer as it digs under the walls.
Blade Dancer – Not entirely thrilled about this unit’s potential return. It’s interesting and fits with the lore but I dislike that it may take the place of other units I would find much more interesting.
Deer – I love the idea of a deer in Sylvan, only in the descriptions given they haven’t explained how exactly it is useful in warfare; apart from ‘trampling’, I don’t understand their role in a Sylvan army yet, especially as a ‘fast damage dealer’. If not implemented then I would be happy for the Sylvan heroes or Emerald Knights to ride one of these majestic creatures.
Unicorn – I’m not going to lie or pretend, I really love the unicorn. I assumed once I read that we would need to vote between 3 lineups that Unicorns, alongside Treants, Hunters and Druids would be constant across all three. I certainly don’t see the Unicorn as simply a nostalgic nor overly stereotypical unit. If this is the case, then we may as well throw out the Hunters and Treants too- for me Unicorns are the most important unit to have in Sylvan. They symbolise purity, speed, grace, finesse and endurance and have been a reliable unit in other games and fit so well in a Sylvan army.
Emerald Knight – I like it if it could be mounted, especially on a Sun Deer or Pegasus or maybe (but not so much) on a Unicorn. However if this means that Unicorns are included in the game, I’d take it. The artwork shown was great, but I feel similarly about this unit as the blade dancer: there are many other units that could be more interesting (especially if it remains unmounted).
Phoenix – I like the phoenix, I really do. However it being a part of the Sylvan army just doesn’t sit quite right with me. As a fiery bird in H1, H2 and H4, it didn’t seem to hold the same earthy feel as the other units. As a ‘moonix’ aligned with Asha (as has been confirmed for H7), it still makes no sense to me for it to be in Sylvan. That said, I’m not completely opposed to its inclusion, I’d just prefer it to remain neutral so as to be consistent with the other games. Because of this, I feel like there are more purely nostalgic votes for the phoenix than for the unicorn- the unicorn fits already, but the phoenix no longer does.
Green Dragon – A little sad that these guys have lost their wings, but the explanation given does work for me. I just hope that we get a dragon that is Green/Emerald, not a rock dragon with a couple of crystals and branches thrown on. Regarding the problem posed of the dragons never being chosen because of the Dryad/Treant synergy in Strength/Fury, I believe the developers will give the dragon something to make the choice between the Treant and Dragon competitive.
Treant – I think this creature fits a champion status better than elite, and that if we didn’t have dragons in Sylvan in previous games Treants could have been tier 7. Considering Treants have been included in Fury’s lineup, I think that they will be less ‘tanky’ than in previous games, and I believe that this applies to the Treant of Strength also- as a champion it cannot function as only a tank but must also be relatively offensive.
I dislike that Strength of the Forest instantly became labelled as ‘tanky’, I don’t think Sylvan would ever be created as ‘tanky’. Sylvan/Rampart heroes have, in H3 and H5 at least, had a focus on Defence and Knowledge as primary skills. This did not make them tanky, though some of their units were (dwarves and dendroids/treants). The way I’ve always played Rampart/Sylvan was defensive but fast. I focused on using supporting spells, speed and ranged damage, alongside abilities like entangling roots, no retaliation and blind. Unicorns, for example, have always been high speed and quite resilient, with useful support abilities- again, as I see it, Unicorns are a perfect representation of Sylvan’s ideal play style. I don’t think Strength would really be any more ‘tanky’ than Fury, I would expect them to have similar speed/initiatives- they just have a greater focus on supportive abilities.
The role of an army which is a ‘glass cannon’ is, in my opinion, filled by Dungeon and Inferno, one of which we're likely to see. Sylvan to me is not entirely offensive, but fills a unique role as a fast, defensive and manoeuvrable army. That being said, I understand the desire some people have for Sylvan to be ‘high attack, high speed, low defence and low health’, but I think this just models Sylvan after other fantasy elf races too much and causes it to lose the unique gameplay of HoMM’s Rampart/Sylvan. Strength enables this sort of gameplay but I expect could also be played highly offensively (given the Emerald Knight, Root Snake, Druid, Hunter, Dragon and Unicorn) depending on how one strategizes and builds their hero.
I hope my breakdown of the creatures and gameplay as I see them can help convince you that Strength of the Forest is the lineup that best encapsulates the mood of Irollan. I also believe that a vote for the Unicorn is not a simply nostalgic one but also one for a consistent lore, unique speed & defence gameplay and the culture of the Sylvan elves.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted September 17, 2014 07:00 AM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 07:00, 17 Sep 2014.
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i disagree when some people say that Old fans are scared of changes and just want Heroes3 line up returned
changes must be for good and for better
not just in a sake of anything new as long as its different
and all this random units like rotten snake, blazing deer, or random elf with green armor dont make sylvan any better but make it worse
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Dark-Whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 17, 2014 07:18 AM |
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I agree with DarkLord.
When you have open world that you created why would you put branch like snake in line up. Or some generic elf with generic name - "emerald knight".
Its not that I'm nostalgic about H3 its that those creatures are boring and unimaginative.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 17, 2014 08:51 AM |
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If this was Might and Magic RPG and not Might and Magic Heroes I would be okay with most if not all of these "WIP" designs.
Root Snake sounds like something straight out of Xeen.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 10:22 AM |
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DarkLord said:
i disagree when some people say that Old fans are scared of changes and just want Heroes3 line up returned
changes must be for good and for better
not just in a sake of anything new as long as its different
and all this random units like rotten snake, blazing deer, or random elf with green armor dont make sylvan any better but make it worse
I like how you present your opinion as a fact. No, they are not for worse or for better, nor the changes need to be for better at all. It is matter of taste how you look at the changes, some people really like them, other don't, third type doesn't care.
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Give a man a mask, and he'll
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted September 17, 2014 10:51 AM |
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Guys, what the heck do you want from a Deer unit? There aren't that many options in designing an "animal unit". They can give it branches instead of antlers (though they are restricted to the "sun" design"), give it some cloths, scarfs or tattoos, but essentially, it's just a magic enhanced animal. Like the Unicorn. Basically Unicorn is always a simple horse with a horn, and no one seems to mind (just to be sure, I'm a fan of the Unicorn unit, with H3 upgraded form being my favorite).
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 10:53 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 10:54, 17 Sep 2014.
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Dave_Jame said:
Just a not..Dear Ubi, when you say deer in a army line-up I imagine this:
(Giant rish Elk/Deer
AKA Megaloceros, yes, that would IMO be awesome, I mean seriously, this may be a (now extinct) real creature, but seriously, 2m at the shoulder, a rack over 3.5m? You get hit by that and you will know about it.
blob2 said:
Like the Unicorn. Basically Unicorn is always a simple horse with a horn, and no one seems to mind (just to be sure, I'm a fan of the Unicorn unit, with H3 upgraded form being my favorite).
Actually, the unicorn has plenty of magic-damping abilities too, so not quite just a horse with a horn.
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Dark-Whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted September 17, 2014 12:09 PM |
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What I can't get out of my mind is that if YOU created universe why on earth would you put something so mundane as snake that looks like branch in line-up?
Look at heaven line up: human with shield, human with bow, WOLF instead of griffin (WOW!), human on horse, human priest, human with mask, human in heavy armor, human with big sword... yawnfest!!!
If they want to change line up-from previous games, which is understandable because they are not remaking older Heroes, why don't they make something iconic and memorable and different.
Something people will say: Wow, that is surprising and fresh, not some half attempt for sake of change like generic elf, branch snake or entire human family. Its like idea came from a five year old.
They should look at every new Heroes as new opportunity in their endless universe. To introduce new creatures and surprising abilities for various gameplay styles while staying in touch with franchise soul by keeping iconic creatures with minor ability twists.
There must be changes but at least they should put some serious effort and thought in creating new content. Right now I get the feel they made some lineups during lunchbreak. Sylvan included.
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NACHOOOO
Known Hero
Pessimistically optimistic
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posted September 17, 2014 12:31 PM |
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I can't believe the armour on the Emerald Knights! It's not practical at all, what do they think this is? Some mystical fantasy world that these creatures live in? Jeesh
Emerald Knights looks sick as either male or female, and the root snake is the perfect contrast to their extravagance. I really like both but the root snake is exactly what I hoped it would look like.
Pixies have the look and feel of pixies so I'm on board.
The Green Dragon is a big change from the sylvan dragons of games past but while not amazing I do like it. A heavily armoured, aoe attacking walker may not have the flexibility that a flyer provides, but it could prove devastating in the right circumstances and also makes me more open to the idea of other traditional dragons in other factions. Ahem Dungeon.
Twilight Stag is disappointing. Fury's my last choice anyway, but if it wins I was hoping the Stag would be a nice consolation prize. Kinda feels like the H6 haven light rider.
The dryad is giving me nightmares of H6 creature design.
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Magic Bird, only a working
title. Phew
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted September 17, 2014 12:41 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 12:44, 17 Sep 2014.
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MattII said:
blob2 said:
Like the Unicorn. Basically Unicorn is always a simple horse with a horn, and no one seems to mind (just to be sure, I'm a fan of the Unicorn unit, with H3 upgraded form being my favorite).
Actually, the unicorn has plenty of magic-damping abilities too, so not quite just a horse with a horn.
I was talking about the design. Sure there was a Unicorn with a rainbow mane, one with a scarf, but generally you get my point. It's an everyday animal, but with a horn on it's, umm, forehead?
Ability-wise I won't be surprised if it shoots laser beams from the center of it's antlers, or if it could phase-shift...
PS: I for one think that the deers concept looks quite good...
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 12:50 PM |
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Yah, Unicorn is just a horny donkey 
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted September 17, 2014 01:52 PM |
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Hermes said:
Yah, Unicorn is just a horny donkey
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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 02:17 PM |
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Edited by Raelag84 at 14:19, 17 Sep 2014.
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DarkLord said:
i disagree when some people say that Old fans are scared of changes and just want Heroes3 line up returned
changes must be for good and for better
not just in a sake of anything new as long as its different
and all this random units like rotten snake, blazing deer, or random elf with green armor don't make sylvan any better but make it worse
We of the Ubisoft generation hear a lot of the negative from older fans, but little of the positive, so we newer fans just get the impression you guys are upset about loosing the old universe.
It might help clarify things if you talk about some things you do like, from outside the heroes universe, that Ubisoft could take inspiration from. Dave James just did that with the prehistoric deer, and look how positively people reacted.
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 02:41 PM |
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DarkLord said:
Hermes said:
Yah, Unicorn is just a horny donkey
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 17, 2014 02:44 PM |
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Oh god this thread, what have you done guys! 
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted September 17, 2014 02:47 PM |
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I'm sorry Stormy I think all this tension is getting to me
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