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adriancat
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posted September 16, 2014 09:09 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
funny how no one talks about cheating now that balance is leading after that fake post.
i wonder if certain members that found the rise of fury "unrealistic", or "the odds extremely unlikely", will think the same for balance.
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Protolisk
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posted September 16, 2014 09:11 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
funny how no one talks about cheating now that balance is leading after that fake post.
i wonder if certain members that found the rise of fury "unrealistic", or "the odds extremely unlikely", will think the same for balance.
I dunno. It seemed to be about 28-36-36, and now it's 24-40-36. Me thinks that people just changed their minds, not much cheating involved there.
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War-overlord
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posted September 16, 2014 09:13 PM |
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Protolisk said:
I dunno. It seemed to be about 28-36-36, and now it's 24-40-36. Me thinks that people just changed their minds, not much cheating involved there.
Or wanted to prevent the worst option winning. So they switched their vote from the best to the second-best option.
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Protolisk
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posted September 16, 2014 09:15 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Protolisk said:
I dunno. It seemed to be about 28-36-36, and now it's 24-40-36. Me thinks that people just changed their minds, not much cheating involved there.
Or wanted to prevent the worst option winning. So they switched their vote from the best to the second-best option.
Probably. i wished people didn't do this until the last day or so of the vote. Then we could see what is more "liked" than "tolerated".
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Ankhes
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posted September 16, 2014 09:23 PM |
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I'm surprised that Emerald Knight seems to be loved by everyone lol. I guess I'm the only one that is missing good old days where knights were dressed like knights and in today's games every knight/warrior/mage w/e has to be dressed like one of the Marvel Heroes or like he is going to Rio de Janeiro Festival. Armor instead of being used to protect your body from opponent's strikes is always shiny, weirdly-shaped and completely impractical. In case of these Emerald Knight it also doesn't make sense since they are planned to be strike and return unit and it will be even more awkward than H5 Blood Furies.
It is also funny how people are bashing phoenix for not belonging to Sylvan because it is linked to Asha(resurrection) or Academy + it is made of fire so how in the hell he can live in the woods. But there are few more units that are more or less fitting Sylvan as well.
1.Dryad - if phoenix is linked to Asha than why dryad isn't? After all it is a spirit of a DEAD ELF.
2.Sun Deer - wasn't this creature linked to Elrath(Light)? Shouldn't it belong to Haven, namely Stag Duchy?
3.Green Dragon - yes fiery bird in the woods might not be very healthy for the trees but how in the hell does Green Dragon walk around the woods without crushing trees here and there? It doesn't make sense for a huge walking dragon to live in the woods just like it doesn't make sense for blue whale to live in the river.
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ChrisD1
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posted September 16, 2014 09:27 PM |
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Protolisk said:
ChrisD1 said:
funny how no one talks about cheating now that balance is leading after that fake post.
i wonder if certain members that found the rise of fury "unrealistic", or "the odds extremely unlikely", will think the same for balance.
I dunno. It seemed to be about 28-36-36, and now it's 24-40-36. Me thinks that people just changed their minds, not much cheating involved there.
so now people changed their minds, but when fury was winning people cheated. interesting....
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Storm-Giant
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On the Other Side!
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posted September 16, 2014 09:27 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
funny how no one talks about cheating now that balance is leading after that fake post.
i wonder if certain members that found the rise of fury "unrealistic", or "the odds extremely unlikely", will think the same for balance.
The change is much smaller
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posted September 16, 2014 09:31 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
ChrisD1 said:
funny how no one talks about cheating now that balance is leading after that fake post.
i wonder if certain members that found the rise of fury "unrealistic", or "the odds extremely unlikely", will think the same for balance.
The change is much smaller
This. It's, like 3-4% up for Balance in two days, not FRIGGING 10% up for Fury in a few hours.
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 16, 2014 09:34 PM |
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Ain't noone crying wolf now either.
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Protolisk
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posted September 16, 2014 09:35 PM |
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Ankhes said:
I'm surprised that Emerald Knight seems to be loved by everyone lol. I guess I'm the only one that is missing good old days where knights were dressed like knights and in today's games every knight/warrior/mage w/e has to be dressed like one of the Marvel Heroes or like he is going to Rio de Janeiro Festival. Armor instead of being used to protect your body from opponent's strikes is always shiny, weirdly-shaped and completely impractical. In case of these Emerald Knight it also doesn't make sense since they are planned to be strike and return unit and it will be even more awkward than H5 Blood Furies.
Probably because it says right in the description calling them "knights" is a misnomer on part of the Holy Empire? Although I agree on midriff bearing, mostly because of this picture:
I mean, seriously, at least wear some leather or something to cover skin, at least some protection is preferable.
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It is also funny how people are bashing phoenix for not belonging to Sylvan because it is linked to Asha(resurrection) or Academy + it is made of fire so how in the hell he can live in the woods. But there are few more units that are more or less fitting Sylvan as well.
1.Dryad - if phoenix is linked to Asha than why dryad isn't? After all it is a spirit of a DEAD ELF.
2.Sun Deer - wasn't this creature linked to Elrath(Light)? Shouldn't it belong to Haven, namely Stag Duchy?
3.Green Dragon - yes fiery bird in the woods might not be very healthy for the trees but how in the hell does Green Dragon walk around the woods without crushing trees here and there? It doesn't make sense for a huge walking dragon to live in the woods just like it doesn't make sense for blue whale to live in the river.
Probably the Dryad is a "earth" spirit kind of like the Blazing Glory is a light spirit and the Mizu Kami and Yuki Onna are water/snow spirits, though more likely like a Fire Giant or a Valkyrie of the Dwarves. Although the "normal" way would send you to Asha, this particular way is blessed by magic or something, and the result is a spirit of a particular element. My question is, if you kill it, what would you "raise" it as for Necromancy? Or would you not?
As for the Deer, the same could be said for certain unicorns. Even in H5, their source of "blinding attack" was from a searing light, which would link them to Elrath. Not to mention the whole of the Pristine Unicorns. However, I'd sort of like it if some units were in other factions, that they were more accepting of "blurring the lines" between factions, as long as the same unit doesn't appear in both factions at the same time(like, say, the Unicorn duchy using said pristine unicorns, and maybe Dungeon using those "Wrecker cult naga" Medusae as units).
And perhaps Green Dragons are much more gentle than they seem to be? They seem very much magical, perhaps they "fuse" with the trees as they touch them, and stop when they move by, so that no damage befalls the woods?
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posted September 16, 2014 09:35 PM |
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I'm very disappointed in you guys.
Almost every single one of you talked about the ART. Are you serious? That's the COMPENDIUM! Massive criticism on the pictures, "Deers ugly", "pixie looks good", "dryad heroes 6 spring spirit". What?! Those aren't even Heroes 7 concept art, not even sketches! What the hell! Look at those pictures and treat them for what they are, compendium art and nothing more!
I dare say they won't even follow the compendium art, for some creatures at least.
Whatever.
My impressions:
Pixie - Fascinating little buggers. Flower power! Elvish pets, I want them in real life <3
Root Snake - What I like is that they are tamed with magic. What I don't like is their vile personality which I believe is the opposite of what Sylvan represents. I hope they won't be biological in nature but wood elements.
Dryads - Interesting, dying elves inside treants. Not that bad but not that great either. But I really like the bond between the elf and the host.
Emerald Knights - I'm not really convinced. They seem rather weak-ish... And why aren't they named Guards if they're supposed to defend cities and religious sites?
Twilight Stags - Interesting name for the pair. Needless to say their behavior seems much more dignified than the Snake's. I think they could fit nicely in Sylvan. Although I'd prefer Unicorns or better yet, the Pegasus instead of them.
Green Dragons - A lot of complaining on the blog because it's a walker. Seriously, I don't get the fuss. I mean I do get it, but I think the change is justified. Earth aligned dragon should be a heavy walker.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
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On the Other Side!
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posted September 16, 2014 09:38 PM |
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Protolisk said:
Ankhes said:
I'm surprised that Emerald Knight seems to be loved by everyone lol. I guess I'm the only one that is missing good old days where knights were dressed like knights and in today's games every knight/warrior/mage w/e has to be dressed like one of the Marvel Heroes or like he is going to Rio de Janeiro Festival. Armor instead of being used to protect your body from opponent's strikes is always shiny, weirdly-shaped and completely impractical. In case of these Emerald Knight it also doesn't make sense since they are planned to be strike and return unit and it will be even more awkward than H5 Blood Furies.
Probably because it says right in the description calling them "knights" is a misnomer on part of the Holy Empire? Although I agree on midriff bearing, mostly because of this picture:
I mean, seriously, at least wear some leather or something to cover skin, at least some protection is preferable.
ROFL 
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted September 16, 2014 09:38 PM |
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Emerald knights:
MEH
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odium
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posted September 16, 2014 09:43 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
odium said:
Here, as in other cases, there might be a problem with justifying the discrepancy with earlier installments in terms of lore.
Just one word: retcon. It happens everywhere.
You almost make it sound like a cool feature  . (In my opinion) it's a flaw. I would like to be subjected to as few "retcons" as possible. 
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Sandro400
Promising
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posted September 16, 2014 09:50 PM |
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odium said:
You almost make it sound like a cool feature . (In my opinion) it's a flaw. I would like to be subjected to as few "retcons" as possible.
It's definitely not cool and I don't like them either, but that's a fact^^ And I should say there're not so many actual retcons (like Rakshasas), it mostly affects art-style.
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Protolisk
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posted September 16, 2014 09:52 PM |
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Stevie said:
I'm very disappointed in you guys.
Almost every single one of you talked about the ART. Are you serious? That's the COMPENDIUM! Massive criticism on the pictures, "Deers ugly", "pixie looks good", "dryad heroes 6 spring spirit". What?! Those aren't even Heroes 7 concept art, not even sketches! What the hell! Look at those pictures and treat them for what they are, compendium art and nothing more!
I dare say they won't even follow the compendium art, for some creatures at least.
Whatever.
Probably because they are showing us these pictures, and even with the giant disclaimer, it is still posted along with thier description, and it's all we have to go off of how they might look in the game. They could have made whole new pictures, which they seemed to have for the Pixie, the Stags, the Emerald Warrior, and most definitely the Root Snake. In the Compendium artwork, the Dryad was blue. They have indeed made a new picture for the Dryad as well! It is altered Compendium artwork, where it is green instead of blue. I would hope that if they really didn't want it to look like that, they would have drawn a new picture for them, or adding in extra drawings, instead of just recoloring it and leaving it at that. And the description doesn't tell me much more that I need to know anyways. Beyond the burial rites and process in making the Dryad, the only semi-pertinent info revealed is that they sing wood into weapons and buildings (now I understand how buildings are built in a day! They sing them to completion!)
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My impressions:
Pixie - Fascinating little buggers. Flower power! Elvish pets, I want them in real life <3
Root Snake - What I like is that they are tamed with magic. What I don't like is their vile personality which I believe is the opposite of what Sylvan represents. I hope they won't be biological in nature but wood elements.
Dryads - Interesting, dying elves inside treants. Not that bad but not that great either. But I really like the bond between the elf and the host.
Emerald Knights - I'm not really convinced. They seem rather weak-ish... And why aren't they named Guards if they're supposed to defend cities and religious sites?
Twilight Stags - Interesting name for the pair. Needless to say their behavior seems much more dignified than the Snake's. I think they could fit nicely in Sylvan. Although I'd prefer Unicorns or better yet, the Pegasus instead of them.
Green Dragons - A lot of complaining on the blog because it's a walker. Seriously, I don't get the fuss. I mean I do get it, but I think the change is justified. Earth aligned dragon should be a heavy walker.
Hear hear! Pixies are pretty neat!
I feel the same for Root Snake, although I expected it. I don't mind each faction having a bit of grey area, and a war-band of elves charming (sounds like these snakes aren't fighting for their free will, mind you) the snakes for use as guards should tell you something about Elves in the first place. That is, it isn't all sunshine and puppies. Also, isn't wood biological in nature?
Dryads seem pretty interesting, as far as the description goes. Look above to see why I dislike the art, but am okay with them as an idea.
Emerald Knights: Cause the name was "forced" upon them by the Empire? Though I wish they'd use the Elvish name for them, instead of an outside force. The Empire didn't get dibs on calling Kensei Sword Saints, and neither should they get dibs on calling these Elvish warriors Knights.
Twilight Stags are okay, but so far, they seem like they might be another pacifying or cleansing unit due to their description of "radiating an appeasing and soothing aura", which is the only clue so far as to their ability. And if those are such things, why not replace them with a Unicorn? (pacify could equal, in mechanics, blinding, and the unicorn could cleanse by the same means as these Deer do.) Still, a pretty good idea.
Dragons: I don't get it either. They are dragons of what is essentially the god of earth itself. Why would they really want to leave it for any period of time?
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alcibiades
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posted September 16, 2014 09:52 PM |
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Pixie and Dryad seems like what we already saw, except the Dryad is now green and not blue. It still seems like a water spirit more than anything, however. I'm not enchanted ...
Root Snake look good, but doesn't fit Sylvan theme at all imo. Would be cool in a swamp faction.
Emerald Knight ... yuck, this is just pretty much everything that's wrong with modern fantasy imagery. If this takes the place of the Unicorn or even the Stag, that's a major loss.
Stag looks good imo. I would rather have the Unicorn, but Stag is way better than Emerald Knight.
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posted September 16, 2014 10:02 PM |
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Probably because it says right in the description calling them "knights" is a misnomer on part of the Holy Empire?
Yes it says so in the description but I still find it dumb that they are called Emerald Knights if Elves call them something else like Guardians of the Forest or w/e. If the Holy Empire would call Behemoth "King Kongs" we would get to play King Kongs in Stronghold? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Probably the Dryad is a "earth" spirit kind of like the Blazing Glory is a light spirit and the Mizu Kami and Yuki Onna are water/snow spirits, though more likely like a Fire Giant or a Valkyrie of the Dwarves. Although the "normal" way would send you to Asha, this particular way is blessed by magic or something, and the result is a spirit of a particular element. My question is, if you kill it, what would you "raise" it as for Necromancy? Or would you not?
As for the Deer, the same could be said for certain unicorns. Even in H5, their source of "blinding attack" was from a searing light, which would link them to Elrath. Not to mention the whole of the Pristine Unicorns. However, I'd sort of like it if some units were in other factions, that they were more accepting of "blurring the lines" between factions, as long as the same unit doesn't appear in both factions at the same time(like, say, the Unicorn duchy using said pristine unicorns, and maybe Dungeon using those "Wrecker cult naga" Medusae as units).
And perhaps Green Dragons are much more gentle than they seem to be? They seem very much magical, perhaps they "fuse" with the trees as they touch them, and stop when they move by, so that no damage befalls the woods?
I have written that only to show how inconsistent it is to say Balance can't win because Phoenixes doesn't belong to Sylvan or that snakes can't be in Sylvan because they are malicious but there are other units that might not be the best fit for Sylvan according to their criteria. I don't really care about lore and I would take cool creature with unique+fun gameplay any day even if it theoretically shouldn't belong there.
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cleglaw
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posted September 16, 2014 10:02 PM |
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first of all, thanks for the informative act developers! i wish we could have seen same act before for sylvan vs fortress election. dwarves may had a real chance. people imagined dwarves as if they are H5 dwarves during the vote.
Anyways, lets head to line-up arts. OK now, this may take long to read, prepare yourselfes
1-pixie is perfect, those camouflaged plant look pretty much tell all we need, just the way i imagined them!
2-i liked the dryad. it really catches the feeling of "becoming something else". although it also looks a bit too much "ghostly". maybe adding some solid material to its biology results better in terms of design? maybe dozens of little branches may spread from his heart like veins? or woord branches covering his first half?
3-female emerald knight's belly is open, it should be covered with armor just like the male version. its pointless to see his belly... it reminds me those"trying-to-be-sexy-WoW-elves". and her hair is way too long to fight. do this realistic approaches to the female, and it will be awesome, have no doubts!
male version is awesome, he needs no change at all. no flaws!
4-twilight stag is a good name, i'm glad they thought a new name. now about the creature.. it has awesome meaningfull shape detail in his head, i loved it. but still it also lacks some details, it doesnt seem like an intelligent beign. what should be done about it? i dont know...
oh and i forgot to mention
Ankhes said:
Sun Deer - wasn't this creature linked to Elrath(Light)? Shouldn't it belong to Haven, namely Stag Duchy?
this really confuses me too. looks a lot like an elrath-ish creature to me, and it is a stag AND there is a heaven faction named stag.
anyways, lets continue...
5-dragons! although i love those stones-vegetation-blue crystal shards, the artwork should be improved. those features were intruduced to us with earth elementals in MM:H6 if i remember correctly. i love those features because it tells me what this dragon is about/sylanna? emerald dragon? both?).if feels like they are representing aspects of nature! BUT! it definietly needs improvement because the way they look now, is just reminds me of a sculpted earth element. maybe adding some emerald scales to body and maybe adding some organic-flesh parts do the job?.. anyway, i dont want old boring green sprey painted dragon from h5, and i think this design shows us that they are moving on a right path.
GENDERS
distribution of genders should be planned, and it will be planned.. but how it will be? which ones should be male and which ones should be female, and finally which should be "genderless"? pixies looks genderless but i think it should be genderless already. treants & pixies & snakes, all are originating from plants so it seems logical to me to see them as sort of"genderless"
dragons and phoenixes are also not humanoid therefore they look genderless to our eyes. they feel same.
that leaves us hunters, emerald knights, druids, bladedancers to deciede about. how should we seperate them? it should be equal in my opinion.
i wanna start with druid. i think druid should be in female-elf side, because of mother-nature & gaia feels. i dont know why, but nature is generally portreyed as "she". even dragon goddess sylanna is a "she".
hunter is a classic old traditional creature always portreyed as "he", so i think this may result better to stay that way.
so 1 male, 1 female to this point. continuing on...
strenght --- hunter, druid, emerald knight
balance --- hunter, druid, emerald knight
fury---hunter, druid, blade dancer
all factions have 3 elves, that leaves me to think that we should pick last elf as a male too[in generally, slyvan is a "she" heavy faction(regardless of their creature type, humanoid/non-humanoid)].
2 males, 1 female for each faction should feel more balanced.
this means emerald knight and bladedancer will be "he"(according to my guess/theory). so in the end it goes like this:
strenght --- hunter(male), druid(female), emerald knight(male)
balance --- hunter(male), druid(female), emerald knight(male)
fury---hunter(male), druid(female), blade dancer(male)
PHEWWW finally im done writing.
i am about to fall in love with ashan and its unique music and graphic design. please continue to develop this amazing, unique world, MM:H7 deserves to have their own music and own creatures!
TL;DR i liked all shown creatures, but they need to be improved.
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odium
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posted September 16, 2014 10:05 PM |
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Stevie said:
I'm very disappointed in you guys.
Almost every single one of you talked about the ART. Are you serious? That's the COMPENDIUM! Massive criticism on the pictures, "Deers ugly", "pixie looks good", "dryad heroes 6 spring spirit". What?! Those aren't even Heroes 7 concept art, not even sketches! What the hell! Look at those pictures and treat them for what they are, compendium art and nothing more!
I dare say they won't even follow the compendium art, for some creatures at least.
Whatever.
Well, Ubi did not provide us with anything but art and some very generic ideas that actually don't mean too much other than to (potentially) identify if a specific creature will be a walker, flyer or shooter/caster. I would have hoped that you would realize that discussing gameplay in this context is not very "scientific"... What we can do is to discuss the art, concepts and the tiny bits of gameplay information that result from the information we have. Also please note that concept/art is not irrelevant at all. The famous examples of Dwarves faction in Heroes 5 and Spring Spirits & Yuki-Onna's in Heroes 6 come to mind.
PS: Your ideas would benefit more if you were less condescending...
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