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Sligneris
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posted April 10, 2015 01:23 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
you kinda nailed my problem with haven. It comes up when you differentiate the only female unit from the rest by lifting up the female part but not lifting up the male ones. for example everyone hides their face except the justicar (and swordmaster) which singles her out as special because of her gender. this would not be an issue if the rest of the lineup showed their faces 
completely disagree with the gargoyle: i find her fitting in perfectly.
Gargoyle should not be 'her', but 'it'.
I really miss this monstrous, solid look that Gargoyles had on this artwork and in DoC. It truly feels like it's heavy, made out of stone - female version from Heroes VII lost that feeling for me.
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Justicars should be given a design that's kinda less obvious feminist agenda imo. For example, female Wolf Justicar, and even female Wolf Commander from DoC looked like they really belonged there on the battlefield, unlike this one... They should have simply used DoC Justicars as a reference, cover their thighs with normal armor and pick up from there - most even would not be able to tell that it's a woman on the first sight and the sounds would be the first, most obvious sign - enough to have everyone understand that the unit is female, but without using this fact as its defining trait.
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted April 10, 2015 01:41 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 13:41, 10 Apr 2015.
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Sligneris said:
Gargoyle should not be 'her', but 'it'.
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Sligneris said:
I really miss this monstrous, solid look that Gargoyles had on this artwork and in DoC. It truly feels like it's heavy, made out of stone - female version from Heroes VII lost that feeling for me.
he, i see it more as a piece of art brought to life and i think that's what they're going for. it's a sculpture made to be beautiful and then brought to life. The serene calm reinforces this i think.
Sligneris said:
Justicars should be given a design that's kinda less obvious feminist agenda imo. For example, female Wolf Justicar, and even female Wolf Commander from DoC looked like they really belonged there on the battlefield, unlike this one... They should have simply used DoC Justicars as a reference, cover their thighs with normal armor and pick up from there - most even would not be able to tell that it's a woman on the first sight and the sounds would be the first, most obvious sign - enough to have everyone understand that the unit is female, but without using this fact as its defining trait.
the wolf justicar seems more defined by gender than the the justicar. it worsens the already present problems like having boob-plates and free-flowing hair which are inherently feminine traits. giving armoured legs wouldn't fix that. The justicar is great in design since it doesn't portray any gendered traits on its own (aside from lipstick). she's a soldier and that's it. the problem comes when we compare her with the others. Justicar doesn't need fixing, the others in the elite tier does.
wolf justicar would be great as a hero/special character though. love the Valkyrian feel
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 02:57 PM |
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I'm perhaps just blind, wondering for quite a while whether Wolf Justicar is female or a long-haired male... 
Well, regardless of feminine features, when I hear "Justicar", I imagine a dignified and imposing aristocrat-looking sword fighter. Personally, I feel like DoC fits that desciption better, while Heroes 7 unit, particularly with this kind of description, both on the unit and from Kaspar, looks like a feminist trying to show off. It feels like the sole purpose of this unit is to have a 'fierce feminist' present in the game - which in my belief actually makes it more gender-defined than DoC version. It really ruins this unit for me.
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kiryu133
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posted April 10, 2015 03:21 PM |
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i don't think we can get much further, so let's agree to disagree 
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Avirosb
Promising
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No longer on vacation
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posted April 10, 2015 03:32 PM |
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Sligneris said:
I'm perhaps just blind, wondering for quite a while whether Wolf Justicar is female or a long-haired male...
Breast-plates should be a dead giveaway.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 03:49 PM |
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In HMM2 archers were female.
I still miss female archers in HMM3 and so on.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 04:11 PM |
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 06:01 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Macron1 said:
In HMM2 archers were female.
I still miss female archers in HMM3 and so on.
Funny of you to say that.
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That's Might & Magic games evolution (why there is an archer from HMM2, i don't know).
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 06:30 PM |
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Macron1 said:
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That's Might & Magic games evolution (why there is an archer from HMM2, i don't know).
It's supposed to be across all of the Might and Magic games, which include Heroes as well as other spin-offs. Some of these (not this one though) also included Clash of Heroes as well, which wasn't just a typical MM game or a HoMM game. This picture even uses Dark Messiah. This also includes Heroes 1 as well.
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PandaTar
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Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted April 10, 2015 06:46 PM |
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Edited by PandaTar at 18:49, 10 Apr 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
@PandaTar
Thank you for your reply
You bring out some good points like there being no female champions. I agree that champions should mostly be beastlike or monstrous, however haven is somewhat of an exception and i find the swordmaster pretty ok. Would be nice if the angel was female though, i mean they were in h5-6.
(somewhat related, i would be fine with the harpy and angel getting reused models from h6. they were better than the new ones)
Anytime.
The unit "Landsknecht" - I think this one could be small. It seems a bit forced being a large unit as to be a rule of all champion units must be large. Again, I wouldn't have this one here. If it was to make things different in Haven, I'd make a powerful female spellcasting (of Light magic) unit as a champion (small) and the chevalier as the other champion (large). The other 2 elites would be filled with something else. Maybe the return of the paladin/crusader. I used to enjoy more the human ranks when they were, well, more human-leveled. Not so powerful in HP, but numerous, as H2's paladins or H4's Champions.
The new harpies don't bother me. What I would change in their visuals is only taking that veil from their face. They look like a mix of a hero (all are veiled...) with a bird of prey.
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I really miss this monstrous, solid look that Gargoyles had on this artwork and in DoC. It truly feels like it's heavy, made out of stone - female version from Heroes VII lost that feeling for me.
Hm, that design is a bit better, I think. Also prefer gargoyles being daunting, instead of decorative.
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kiryu133
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posted April 10, 2015 10:48 PM |
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PandaTar said:
The unit "Landsknecht" - I think this one could be small. It seems a bit forced being a large unit as to be a rule of all champion units must be large. Again, I wouldn't have this one here. If it was to make things different in Haven, I'd make a powerful female spellcasting (of Light magic) unit as a champion (small) and the chevalier as the other champion (large). The other 2 elites would be filled with something else. Maybe the return of the paladin/crusader. I used to enjoy more the human ranks when they were, well, more human-leveled. Not so powerful in HP, but numerous, as H2's paladins or H4's Champions.
in like this, though i'm pretty certain the justicar is the current iteration of the crusader, you know, being the only one (except swordmaster but he's champion) wielding a sword and all. i'm definitely in favour of making the cavalier champion. it's been before and makes more sense than sword-wielding dude. i am a fan of angels but i would love to see this sorcerer idea into fruition. I'm presuming that would be the priest/zealot/whatever meaning the justicar is the remaining elite? either way, i like it.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2015 11:20 PM |
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We already have a monk unit and an priest/confessor/inquisitor heroes which wont be going anywhere anytime soon so another at champion level would be be rather redundant.
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
HOMM3fa(g)n
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posted April 11, 2015 05:28 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
@ShadowMaster
we should judge it based on those human parts. sometimes that's easier (centaur)
Well, if you judge only based on human parts, then yes, the Centaur is a bit sexist, but that is up for debate since, well, all the clothed creatures from Stronghold don't have much clothing on them (despite it being a desert, in which case they should bear a lot of clothing and that clothing should be very covering.)kiryu133 said:
Would be nice if the angel was female though, i mean they were in h5-6.
Actually, no. I would be okay with several more units being female, but no angels, since they are asexual and in a game as Heroes it would be perfect for the Angels to stay the way they are.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 05:31 PM |
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Actually, Heroes V angels weren't female, only Heroes VI ones were.
Heroes V angels were androgynous, while the gender of Heroes VII angels is fully unknown.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 05:43 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Actually, Heroes V angels weren't female, only Heroes VI ones were.
Heroes V angels were androgynous, while the gender of Heroes VII angels is fully unknown.
I wouldnt call the gender of the H5 angels known either, since the concept art has a girl under the armor but in the actual game it has slight manly features.
I prefer the androgynous/asexual look though.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 05:57 PM |
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Well, that's what I meant by 'androgynous'. It's unknown too, but we see them without armor.
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Avirosb
Promising
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No longer on vacation
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posted April 11, 2015 07:33 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 19:37, 11 Apr 2015.
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The only thing androgynous on the H5 angels is the short hair,
otherwise they very much look female in appearance.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 07:45 PM |
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Unless turned to stone, you mean?
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 08:33 PM |
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Gargoyle is always IT, regardless of male or female appearence of a statue. So is Golem. You can't have babies with a Golem (the stone HoMM one at least, while I have no idea how Jewish one operates). Same with Gargoyle. You can't put it inside, even if there's a hole there, but even if you could, it would probably be vey uncofortable, like puting it in a hole of a wall. It's also not sentien being, so it can't have a sex by defenition. It's a piece of stone. Stone is IT.
Now if statue represents a female or male is also irrelevant. This is because, most likely an army of gargoyles would not be made of exact same statues, unless lore says they are machine made, and that only single model exists. An army of gargoyles would most likely consist of diferent statues, some resembeling a male, some female, some bestial, like bats or birds or dragons, some would have claws, some would have swords or stone slab like in H5. Whatever a given mage prefer to have. The model for unit is only a representation.
Same goes for Golem. They are pieces of rock and dirt. So they are IT.
P.S.: Angels are hermaphrodites.
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kiryu133
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posted April 11, 2015 09:00 PM |
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biologically, the default gender is female, so that would be a reason to make angels look female even if they technically aren't.
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