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Gryphs
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posted April 11, 2015 09:30 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 21:33, 11 Apr 2015.
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In mammals yes; though I guess angels are mammals.
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted April 11, 2015 09:47 PM |
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that seems like a weird thing to be exclusive to mammals 
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 09:51 PM |
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They are not mammals. Angels are not born like humans, but they are created - grown up from begining ... you know ... from clouds or whatever. Idk, I'm not expert on angels.
And no, their dominant or deafult gender is not female. It's 50/50. So they are not man not woman. They also most likely cannot produce babies with human, but I would guess they can have sex.
If they dont have reproductive organs at all (which is also likely), and there is just flat surface there with no holes or anything, they could use their bottom, and if there's not holes there, since they most likely don't have digestive system, and don't eat anything (like food - maybe they soak light or something, like a plant), there is always mouth, and also a tongue. So in short. They have mouth and a tongue, so they can have sex with humans, if they would want. They also have fingers.
But that is not important. They have no gender, and are also IT, and not he or she, most likely.
How I know it's 50/50? because if there is only one gender, there is no male and female to speak of. They reproduce asexualy, but because of their physique, COULD have sex with other humanoid races, but they would most likely get nothing out of it, since they have no concept of reproduction - so most likely, if they do have sex is not between themselves.
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted April 11, 2015 09:55 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 22:01, 11 Apr 2015.
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well, males in humans are 50% female too, so...
even if they were true neutral they would logically look about 75% female.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 11, 2015 10:12 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Unless turned to stone, you mean?
Stone, shmone, I'm going by character models.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted April 11, 2015 10:15 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
that seems like a weird thing to be exclusive to mammals
It is not exclusive to mammals other reptiles and insects have it to, but if you are a mammal you are exclusive to it.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 10:19 PM |
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I dont think that they are literally without reproductive organs. After all Michael came from a family of healers according to his bio and he and Uriel had a mother. Unless the meaning of those words is different for Angels, so saying the angels are literally sexless like that is probably innaccuratr.
However applying real life standards like female being the genetic default in an universe where humans (along the other 5 main species and a big chunk of the rest of the biosphere) were outright created as they are is non sensical, to say the least.
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted April 11, 2015 10:41 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 22:54, 11 Apr 2015.
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Gryphs said:
kiryu133 said:
that seems like a weird thing to be exclusive to mammals
It is not exclusive to mammals other reptiles and insects have it to, but if you are a mammal you are exclusive to it.
so female is the standard in most animals?
i'm not sure i get what you're saying here.
GenyaArikado said:
However applying real life standards like female being the genetic default in an universe where humans (along the other 5 main species and a big chunk of the rest of the biosphere) were outright created as they are is non sensical, to say the least.
If they call it human, it is a human. And ZW, they are humans with wings. they are modeled after humans. as such they should look like what a "genderless" human would look like, which should be about 75% female. h5 did this well 
@sligneris
keep in mind the overall bodyshape and size etc is based on humans. it's the face that changes, not the body. even so, the my point would remain since it's likely the same with these other species, possible exception being the naga since i'm not sure anyone how the snow they work.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 10:46 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
If they call it human, it is a human. And ZW, they are humans with wings. they are modeled after humans. as such they should look like what a "genderless" human would look like, which should be about 75% female. h5 did this well
Actually, they are not humans with wings - they are humanoids with winds. What kind of features they have depends on the sentient being that perceives them. For humans they have features of beautiful tall humans, for elves they have features of beautiful tall elves, for dwarves they have features of beautiful tall dwarves. I thought you were around at the time when this was discussed...
They are also not genderless, as demonstrated by Heroes VI's angels.
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
HOMM3fa(g)n
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posted April 11, 2015 11:11 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
well, males in humans are 50% female too, so...
even if they were true neutral they would logically look about 75% female.
Ever seen the Prophecy ? All the Angels there were male, as far as I can remember, but they didn't have any reproductive organs.
Also, I am wondering-do Angels really appear as a beautiful tall memeber of the race they appear to ? It is kinda difficult to imagine a tall Dwarf..
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 11:33 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
well, males in humans are 50% female too, so...
Idk. Maybe for some, but I would not describe myself very feminine lol. And you know that goes for females aswell you know? They are 50% male. This is logical, as both are same species, so we share common traits. Besides, angels are not human. And as I say. There is no gender there, so they can't be xx% of anything realy. I say 50/50, coz lack of better wording.
Look. How many of you skin cells are male and how many are female? exactley. cells themselves have no gender to speak of, they reproduce by cell division. So no. They are not "75%" female. They have no babies, and no females. Also no males. They COULD have reproductive organs, for the purpose of mating with humans - but since Angels are incapable of giving birth, it means they lack a womb. In this case, only male reproductive organs would make sense. They most likely don't have them tho.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 11, 2015 11:37 PM |
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Ylath the progressive genetic engineer dragon then lol.
ShadowMaster said:
kiryu133 said:
well, males in humans are 50% female too, so...
even if they were true neutral they would logically look about 75% female.
Ever seen the Prophecy ? All the Angels there were male, as far as I can remember, but they didn't have any reproductive organs.
Also, I am wondering-do Angels really appear as a beautiful tall memeber of the race they appear to ? It is kinda difficult to imagine a tall Dwarf..
heroes is not The Prophecy. And we already had tall dwarves in H5.
Although i understood the features comment as "facial features"
ie: if the naga find small eyes, mouth and chin beautiful, the features of said angel would slightly take those features to make them more attractive. Find the dwarves found round faces and oval eyes beautiful, then their faces would look rounder and their eyes more like an oval, etc.
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ShadowMaster
Adventuring Hero
HOMM3fa(g)n
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posted April 11, 2015 11:43 PM |
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Now I am wondering what Demons consider beautiful...
BTW, are Succubi considered to be overtly sexualized ?
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 03:04 AM |
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ShadowMaster said:
BTW, are Succubi considered to be overtly sexualized ?
succubi use sex to damn souls. they have to be the epitome of female sexuality. so, yeah. 
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 03:14 AM |
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ShadowMaster said:
Now I am wondering what Demons consider beautiful...
Things destroyed and reduced to ash.
The Succubus's job isn't to be pretty to a demon (though they can be), they are pretty to everything else. Except also demonic.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 03:54 AM |
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Does sex with a Succubus/Incubus damn your soul to Sheogh Marzhin? #QuestionsThatMatter
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted April 12, 2015 08:44 AM |
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This discussions are pointless tho ... because creatures were not designed to be logical. Erwan didn't think of this things when creating Angels and Succubi. Ashan lore say nothing of reproduction of these beings, and of reproduction of other races wery little and vague aswell. It's hard to tell realy. If you start questioning biology of creatures you will easily find yourself in an area that does not make sense, and facts that contradicts one another. Reproductive systems are way to complex for Ashan to handle. It brakes even under far more simple questions. Like: "What do Angels eat?" "What does Elrath eat?" ... but since this IS female in Ashan discussion, I give you another one to ponder:
Is Elrath male or female dragon?
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted April 12, 2015 09:07 AM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
kiryu133 said:
well, males in humans are 50% female too, so...
Idk. Maybe for some, but I would not describe myself very feminine lol. And you know that goes for females aswell you know? They are 50% male. This is logical, as both are same species, so we share common traits. Besides, angels are not human. And as I say. There is no gender there, so they can't be xx% of anything realy. I say 50/50, coz lack of better wording.
nope, women are 100% female. It's in the chromosones (which house the dna i belive? they have the dna anyway): X chromosomes are are female while Y chromosomes are male, sorta. females have X/X and males have X/Y, effectively making them half female. though i believe there are cases of Y/Y chromosomes but they are very, very rare though possible.
Zombi_Wizzard said:
Is Elrath male or female dragon?
ELrath, Arkath and Ylath are male and personfies the more masculine cultural values like honor, duty, freedom etc. Malassa, Sylanna and Shalassa(?) are female and personifies female cultural values like adaptability, life, knowledge (through spying) etc. not great but whatever.
GenyaArikado said:
Ylath the progressive genetic engineer dragon then lol.
awesome 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted April 12, 2015 09:43 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
so female is the standard in most animals?
i'm not sure i get what you're saying here.
I was trying to say that a female default is gender is not exclusive to mammals, but if you are a mammal you will have a female default gender. I can only assume angels are mammals although as some have said before using real world logic in this seems pointless.
kiryu133 said:
ELrath, Arkath and Ylath are male and personfies the more masculine cultural values like honor, duty, freedom etc. Malassa, Sylanna and Shalassa(?) are female and personifies female cultural values like adaptability, life, knowledge (through spying) etc. not great but whatever.
There is no such thing.
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kiryu133
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posted April 12, 2015 10:05 AM |
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Gryphs said:
kiryu133 said:
ELrath, Arkath and Ylath are male and personfies the more masculine cultural values like honor, duty, freedom etc. Malassa, Sylanna and Shalassa(?) are female and personifies female cultural values like adaptability, life, knowledge (through spying) etc. not great but whatever.
There is no such thing.
feminine cultural values, sorry.
and yes, there are. strength, aggressiveness etc are culturally masculine traits just as nurturing and kindness are feminine. if you are aggressive, strong or similar you are masculine. if you are kind and nurturing and such you are feminine. in a cultural sense so to speak. the dragons are very much defined by traits seen as feminine/masculine and gendered as such. not huge deal (and it doesn't really matter a whole lot since that's not what this thread is about) but saying it's not a thing is very much wrong.
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