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Galaad
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posted March 04, 2015 03:54 PM

Grim Rider description for MMH7 said:
A long time ago, Belketh’s lieutenants were roaming the lands of Ashan, bringing fear to the hearts of House Eterna’s enemies. One of these champions was Vein, the Reaper of Souls, and the Grim Riders were his personal guard.

Ok ..

Grim Rider description for MMH7 said:
A terrible curse awaits those who are foolish enough to combat these Vampire lords.


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Sandro400
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posted March 04, 2015 04:10 PM

I guess this joke (was it?) is so light vein that it's meaning escapes me...
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posted March 04, 2015 05:56 PM
Edited by GenyaArikado at 21:58, 04 Mar 2015.

Dread Knight description for HoMM3 said:







Elvin said:
Good lord those horrible dialogues. Why.


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Galaad
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posted March 04, 2015 06:42 PM

@Sandro400: Sorry for the old joke, I too wish they'd consider to correct this.
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posted March 04, 2015 07:00 PM

Galaad said:
@Sandro400: Sorry for the old joke, I too wish they'd consider to correct this.


No need to apologise! I thought you already knew they too are Vampires...
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posted March 04, 2015 07:32 PM

Sandro400 said:
No need to apologise! I thought you already knew they too are Vampires...

He does and did, that's exactly the problem.
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Galaad
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posted March 04, 2015 08:21 PM

Come on now, that critic was lost in the discussion thread.
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posted March 04, 2015 08:43 PM

Galaad said:
Come on now, that critic was lost in the discussion thread.

I fear you have misunderstood my comment. I understood that Sandro thought that you have only just now learned that these creatures are vampires. I am aware of that not being the case. I understood that the problem that you had was that they were vampires and that they still are.
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posted March 04, 2015 08:52 PM
Edited by Avonu at 20:54, 04 Mar 2015.

LizardWarrior said:
Wait, what? These dialogues are actually in the game? I thought it was a silly summary made by Avonu. Oh, Ubi, you always find ways to disappoint me

Sorry to disapoint you but even I don't have such skill to think out these kind of pulitzer prize winning dialogues.
You can find more HoMM5's in-game story here. Warning! It's not safe to read.


Galaad said:
Grim Rider description for MMH7 said:
A long time ago, Belketh's lieutenants were roaming the lands of Ashan, bringing fear to the hearts of House Eterna's enemies. One of these champions was Vein, the Reaper of Souls, and the Grim Riders were his personal guard.

Ok ..

Grim Rider description for MMH7 said:
A terrible curse awaits those who are foolish enough to combat these Vampire lords.


Old news - we know that Black Knights/Grim Reapers are vampires in Ashan since HoMM5:
Death Knight description in HoMM5 said:
A terrible curse awaits those who are foolish enough to combat these Vampire lords, outcasts from the dark realm of the Necromancers. Death Knights are able to slay numerous enemies with a single strike.

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posted March 04, 2015 09:01 PM
Edited by Galaad at 23:31, 07 Mar 2015.

@Avonu: Sorry for the slight off-topic but, do tell me, I wasn't registered in any forums at that time, did people complain about it back then?
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Avonu
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posted March 04, 2015 09:13 PM

As far as I remember - no. Few pointed out that it was a silly concept but none was such drama queen like you.
...which reminds me - here, eat something:



Better?
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Galaad
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posted March 04, 2015 09:14 PM
Edited by Galaad at 21:19, 04 Mar 2015.


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posted March 04, 2015 09:14 PM

@Avonu: That was a fine joke, indeed.

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LizardWarrior
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posted March 04, 2015 09:51 PM

Avonu said:
LizardWarrior said:
Wait, what? These dialogues are actually in the game? I thought it was a silly summary made by Avonu. Oh, Ubi, you always find ways to disappoint me

Sorry to disapoint you but even I don't have such skill to think out these kind of pulitzer prize winning dialogues.
You can find more HoMM5's in-game story here. Warning! It's not safe to read.



I liked the Monty Python reference and only that, when they started with the LotR one it was too much. Seriously now, these dialogues lack depth, such one-liners aren't suited for generals and high-ranking politicians, even casual conversations are more complex than that Maybe it's because the cut-scenes need to be short, but they could use better writing. Maybe it will be better in H7

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Gryphs
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posted March 04, 2015 10:09 PM
Edited by Gryphs at 22:57, 04 Mar 2015.

LizardWarrior said:
Maybe it's because the cut-scenes need to be short, but they could use better writing. Maybe it will be better in H7

I am unsure that cutscenes can ever get better as long as they are in the present format. Even with better dialogue the characters all walking around in full armour at all times, the terrible lip sinking, and the muddy character models all make them, to me at least, feel horribly immersion breaking.

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LizardWarrior
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posted March 04, 2015 10:48 PM

yeah, they could switch back to text-based stories like in the old games, make 1-2 high quality cut-scenes for when the game starts up/you finish all campaigns and use the money for something else, cut-scenes can be pretty expensive and useless overall.

Quote:

Succubus seducer: Arrogant scum!

Agrael: And my name's Agrael. How do you do, Miss Scum? Or do your friends call you Arrogant?


But seriously, is this supposed to be funny? It sounds like something a 3rd grader would say. Seriously, if they need creative insults, they should take more inspiration from online forums

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Sligneris
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posted March 04, 2015 11:19 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 23:29, 04 Mar 2015.

I actually thought the cutscenes weren't as bad in the vanilla H5. Still, with more expansions, as the gameplay improved, the plot and dialogues went downhill, example above.
Agrael was amusing and well-written in his Inferno campaign, I loved his sarcastic comments about Elves. That standalone scenario however was a disgrace to his character.

Usually, I'm trying to view H5 through a filter of a sort - the same plot, but better fleshed out, with better writing. You can feel they were onto something really great when you read the artbook commentaries or try to write/read well-written summaries.

Leaving H5 behind, I'd honestly like to see some acolyte Arantir - Giovanni got some cool artwork on H7 blog, so why not add just a little of the best Dark Messiah character? He'd still be focused on his books at that time though, so he could maybe get a cameo in some library in Heresh, or something like that.

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War-overlord
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posted March 04, 2015 11:26 PM
Edited by War-overlord at 23:26, 04 Mar 2015.

Avonu said:
As far as I remember - no. Few pointed out that it was a silly concept but none was such drama queen like you.

I second this. In fact, I recall there being much more to do about the fact that they were neutrals and not in fact a Necropolis creature, as opposed to Wights and Wraiths. The impression I got was that turning these reapers into 2 creatures was stretching it and that they were fare more fitting as neutrals. As opposed to the Death Knights, whose absense was lamented in Heroes 4 and 5.
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Galaad
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posted March 04, 2015 11:45 PM
Edited by Galaad at 00:53, 05 Mar 2015.

Dread Knight, with its death strike ability, was probably one of the best lvl6 units of the H3 game. It has marked some spirits. That aside, I keep wondering why all the questionable things in Ashan lore rarely gets questioned. I know the lore lesser than you guys yet it seems I care more. While it is true at this point Grim Rider being a Vampire is one other of the multiple problematic "details" going along this reboot.
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Sligneris
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posted March 05, 2015 01:15 AM

Avonu said:
You can find more HoMM5's in-game story here. Warning! It's not safe to read.
This summary has some incorrect information... "Mal-beleth" never existed in Ashan, it was just a beta name for the Demon Sovereign... It's always funny to hear that Kha-Beleth killed his beta version.

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