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Thread: [VCMI]Bastion This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted June 22, 2019 02:14 PM

Looking good!
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Mistrz
Mistrz


Hired Hero
posted June 22, 2019 11:23 PM

fiorin said:
Hero_of_Light said:
Making mods is like parenthood. It's a thankless job.


A interesting comparisson.. so, an update




This otherwise beautiful looking elephant sorely lacks a rider. In homm3, unlike homm2, all mounts have riders.

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verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
posted June 23, 2019 01:59 AM

Mistrz said:
In homm3, unlike homm2, all mounts have riders.


that ain't it pal, no riders for unicorn, dragon, griffin, wyvern and whatelse cheers lol
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fred79
fred79


Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted June 23, 2019 02:52 AM

Mistrz said:
This otherwise beautiful looking elephant sorely lacks a rider. In homm3, unlike homm2, all mounts have riders.


Ffs, still? Look across from the elephant. See that rider on his horse? See the size of the horse? Yeah. Get a clue, guy. It's already been explained why that idea is stupid. That you intend to reiterate your loss of simple aesthetics or knowledge concerning existing units is confusing, to say the least.

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Mistrz
Mistrz


Hired Hero
posted June 23, 2019 09:07 AM
Edited by Mistrz at 09:22, 23 Jun 2019.

verriker said:
Mistrz said:
In homm3, unlike homm2, all mounts have riders.


that ain't it pal, no riders for unicorn, dragon, griffin, wyvern and whatelse cheers lol


Yep, but those are not mounts in classic fantasy nor in history. Horses, camels and elephants were always used to carry people and as such should have rider.

fred79 said:
Mistrz said:
This otherwise beautiful looking elephant sorely lacks a rider. In homm3, unlike homm2, all mounts have riders.


Ffs, still? Look across from the elephant. See that rider on his horse? See the size of the horse? Yeah. Get a clue, guy. It's already been explained why that idea is stupid. That you intend to reiterate your loss of simple aesthetics or knowledge concerning existing units is confusing, to say the least.


Seriously fred work on your attitude. I like your terrains and understand you don't agree with me, but we should respect one another. For me hafelump without rider looks bold. It is clearly missing something. Unit size in homm3 is not real but rather consensual and it can be done right with rider. Puls it can have interesting tactical effects. Imagine having archer on the elephant. Make it weak shooter but powerful melee fighter and you have something think about on battlefield.

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CountBezuhoff
CountBezuhoff


Legendary Hero
Time for war
posted June 23, 2019 11:22 AM
Edited by CountBezuhoff at 11:54, 23 Jun 2019.

It's not that the idea itself is bad, it's just that you didn't really present a meaningful argument to back it up until now. Your previous suggestions appeared only as stubborn hairsplitting. You should have began by explaining how this design choice would affect gameplay, not by describing several models to which you are strongly biased, while barely making any point of why they should be implemented! Make yourself more clear, snowdamnit, and someone might care to listen!

Nonetheless, Fiorin obviously has something in mind for the elephant, so I don't think pushing your vision any further will result in anything but an unpleasant quarrel with Fred.

I shall now return to watch from the shadows. Please don't turn this thread into another eyesore.

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fred79
fred79


Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted June 23, 2019 11:46 AM

@ mistrz: i apologize. It's not you personally; i just feel i am surrounded and drowning in other's stupidity lately. I've been going through a living hell irl because of other's stupidity, so anything that resembles such i've been particularly hostile to as of late.

I understand elephants have had riders in the past, but with such a large animal it won't fit with the others, aesthetically.

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Mistrz
Mistrz


Hired Hero
posted June 23, 2019 12:23 PM

Cool, no harm done. After all that's what forums are for, exchanging ideas. It's Fiorin's work and in the end we'll see what he is going to do with it.

If it's just heavy infantry/ tank type unit, then maybe elephantaur is a way to go. We do have other animalheads in Bastion already.

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zmudziak22
zmudziak22


Supreme Hero
Heroes 3 Fan
posted June 23, 2019 12:27 PM

Using your logic, Unicorns should have rider as Unicorn = Horse with Horn.

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Mistrz
Mistrz


Hired Hero
posted June 23, 2019 01:08 PM

No, not by any merit. Unicorns are very rarely depicted as mounts ( like in Narnia). Most of the times Unicorns are sentient and highly inteligent like Dragons.

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fred79
fred79


Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted June 23, 2019 01:31 PM

Elephants remember everything. And are great artists.

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fiorin
fiorin


Promising
Known Hero
ctrl + s
posted June 24, 2019 12:00 AM
Edited by fiorin at 04:17, 24 Jun 2019.

Guys, i dont think all this fight is needed Just because a model Idea. Im doing the model just because someone asked on this Topic. So any Idea is valid to stay. im not gonna do everything, but somethings i can try.

Bastion already have a Rider on Camel, so i prefer stay with a heavy beast. Ah, the Camel could have a New model too If Anyone could help. Andruids was coordinating the Bastion improves... What he think about the model ?

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acidchalk
acidchalk


Promising
Known Hero
posted June 24, 2019 12:35 AM

Yeah no rider please. With the scale it'd be a midget on his back and look so weird lol.

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AncientDruids
AncientDruids


Known Hero
BEware THe DRuids
posted June 25, 2019 03:29 AM
Edited by AncientDruids at 03:31, 25 Jun 2019.

Someone already commented they'd rather see the original New Town Group's model reconstructed. I'm afraid I share this sentiment. Many creatures in Heroes III are someonewhat stylized and I think hunched brown oliphants just look better than regular grey elephants. Take for example wolves:
- irl wolf
- Ms. Iwata render

But that's still just my take. I don't think I really coordinate anything. Anyone is welcome to contribute or add their two cents to this project and if they want my name under it, I'll gladly put out an update  with new content (unless it's something really jarring or not really in the spirit of the original Bastion town ^^).

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Adilmaru
Adilmaru


Adventuring Hero
posted June 29, 2019 02:58 AM

I prefer older Elephants. They look more menacing and also fits HoMM 3 artstyle more...

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fred79
fred79


Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted June 29, 2019 06:22 AM

fiorin said:



i take back what i said about the gold color before, and i apologize. my phone must screw colors somehow; my computer shows that the previous gold from the "b" set was more realistic to actual gold.

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spartak
spartak


Hired Hero
posted November 30, 2019 09:03 PM
Edited by spartak at 22:00, 30 Nov 2019.

anubis's hand disappears when moving
should it be so?
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NimoStar
NimoStar


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
posted November 30, 2019 10:26 PM

The "rider" conundrum to me is this: if the elephant isn't meant to have a rider, why does it have a saddle-like thing on its back? To me this generates confusion. If it doesn't have a rider it shouldn't have artifacts meant to be ridden (?)
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AncientDruids
AncientDruids


Known Hero
BEware THe DRuids
posted June 15, 2020 07:28 AM
Edited by AncientDruids at 16:05, 15 Jun 2020.



I was hoping to reach the next milestone with a real substantial change, but sadly, fate decided otherwise. Still, I grew impatient while some really nice assets were gathering dust for so long, so I decided to just finish them up and release a new (albeit half-way) version. Here it is:

Pavilion 2.6.5.rar
+ or, if you have the recent version: 2.6 -> 2.6.5 assets patch
+ submod fix (only if you want to play random maps with new objects - dunes, fortune idols and wisdom trees.)

What's new:
- New Grail sanctuary animation;
- Gorgeous obelisk puzzle graphics, salvaged from some long-lost dimension and generously gifted by Orfy;
- Various minor tweaks and corrections to the town screen;

The work is still only half done, but now the town has long due Grail animation and an absolute artifact of an obelisk puzzle to boot, remembering the times of eagerly-awaited WoG 3.59. I hope my benefactor won't be upset it's included in such a mediocre release. More things will get added and updated eventually, but for now, some other projects and real-life stuff have pushed their way on top of my priority list. I'll try to come back with another update as soon as I can!

Like always, feel free to download, test and comment. Peace!

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Alyx182008
Alyx182008


Adventuring Hero
posted June 15, 2020 11:50 AM

Awesome to hear this mod is still getting lots of care and love.

Quick question, whenever I used the Desert Objects submod, random map generation would fail to put objects on the map. At best I'd get some resources, treasure chests, mines, but absolutely no obstacles (trees, mountains, stuff like that), no roads, no underground paths. I made a quick test and I see that this is still the case for 2.6.5. Is there a known incompatible mod or setting that is causing this? (although I tried to disable everything except VCMI essentials and it's still happening).

I have no problem playing without this submod, but I am curious as to what is the underlying cause of this behavior. Thanks!

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