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Salamandre
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posted July 27, 2016 11:50 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 00:21, 28 Jul 2016.

frostysh said:
"The Revolt of Islam". The New Yorker. Retrieved August 28, 2014.

Busting the Top 10 Myths About Islam


First book is written in 2001! And have you read his conclusion?

Meanwhile, there is a more urgent problem. If bin Laden can persuade the world of Islam to accept his views and his leadership, then a long and bitter struggle lies ahead, and not only for America. Sooner or later, Al Qaeda and related groups will clash with the other neighbors of Islam—Russia, China, India—who may prove less squeamish than the Americans in using their power against Muslims and their sanctities. If bin Laden is correct in his calculations and succeeds in his war, then a dark future awaits the world, especially the part of it that embraces Islam.

You second link is melodrama level, written by a muslim educator but claiming herself as Huda,Islam expert. For example, she claims women are not oppressed in Islam, because is contrary to [link].  Of the link goes no where, but to Koran definition. Then she gives example of books about women rights in Islam. Check the authors? All westerners, not a single one living in muslim country. Now, check what happens to muslim woman writer, living in muslim country and trying to bring attention on women various oppressions within Islam.

Then she claims that muslims are not terrorists. What that means? There is not a single person on earth who will claim all muslims are terrorists, but facts also show a majority of terrorism is carried by muslims.

And so on, fallacies and common shortcuts.
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artu
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posted July 28, 2016 01:44 AM
Edited by artu at 03:51, 28 Jul 2016.

Elodin's link is encyclopedic, the information it contains is not wrong but it omits any historical/political context about the recent attacks, it is rather written as an introduction for people who want to learn about the basics about what constitutes a jihad. It's not a political analysis of why and when it's declared under today's conditions.  

If you will bring in the encyclopedic, historical jihad though, it does not involve things like blowing up civilians or raping women in invaded lands like ISIS does.

The Bernard Lewis article is, although way too apologetic for the U.S. position sometimes, (well, it was 2001, twin towers just collapsed and no invasion of Iraq, yet,) an analysis with informed depth and historical expertise as usual. Lewis has always something interesting to say about the Middle-East and he's one of those historians who has a literary quality when it comes to writing.

The third link is total crap.
Galaad said:
artu said:
It's just Assad, btw. It's a man's surname, not an organization. "Al" in Arabic is like "the" in English.


Thanks, I didn't know.

Actually, noticing how Lewis calls the father Hafiz al-Assad (we call and spell him Hafiz Esad), I've found out this is a different kind of usage of Al and is in fact, valid. Somehow, the "al" article in names, is preserved in English transcripts but it is mostly ignored in Turkish ones:
Bashar Al-Assad
Bessar Esad

However, usually, it is only used when the full name is present, like "President Assad did this" or "President Bashar Al-Assad" did this.

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frostysh
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posted July 28, 2016 05:00 AM
Edited by frostysh at 05:11, 28 Jul 2016.

Salamandre -
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AT NOON ON SATURDAY, MAY 6, 1939, a group of Protestant theologians, pastors, and churchgoers gathered at the historic Wartburg Castle, resonant with Lutheran and nationalist significance, to celebrate the official opening of the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church Life (Institut zur Erforschung und Beseitigung des jüdischen Einfl usses auf das deutsche kirchliche Leben). The Institute’s goals were both political and theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in the process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed new biblical interpretations and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefined Christianity as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, was no Jew but rather had fought valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling as victim to that struggle. Germans were now called upon to be the victors in Jesus’s own struggle against the Jews, who were said to be seeking Germany’s destruction.
. . .

The Institute was a well-funded, thriving achievement of the German Christian movement, the pro-Nazi faction within the German Protestant church that claimed a membership of 600,000 pastors, bishops, professors of theology, religion teachers, and laity. The movement’s goal was to create a unified, national German church transcending Protestant and Catholic divisions that would exemplify the nazified Christianity it advocated. It began by trying to reshape the German Protestant (Lutheran) church. The movement was highly successful in gaining influence with many of the university theological faculties and regional churches, but most of all in developing an ideology disseminated through lectures, conferences, and numerous publications and that occasionally found common ground even among opponents within the Confessing Church, the Catholic Church, and the much smaller neo-pagan groups.
. . .  



The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany



--- Lieutenant: "My father, I have sinned today, I killed many peoples, even the children, I burned them down like a barbecue!"
--- Pastor: "Is this peoples have a hooked noses?"
--- Lieutenant: "Yes they have my father! They all was jewish!"
--- Pastor: "The God sometimes must be a hard to protect all-holy things, the killing is a sin, but the killing to protect your Nation, your holy Teutonic Tribe from jewish evil! Such shins will be forgiven! Hallelujah my son!"
--- Lieutenant: "Hallelujah my father!"

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In case of Islam, will be not only a freeing of sins, but also a ~dozens of a virgin girls for sex in Paradise! Per one true muslim male (I think so)!
Damn the Christian religious have a so cheap prize.. compare to the Islam . Obviously ISIS have a very big success of gathering muslim kamikaze in that way .

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Meanwhile, there is a more urgent problem. If bin Laden can persuade the world of Islam to accept his views and his leadership, then a long and bitter struggle lies ahead, and not only for America. Sooner or later, Al Qaeda and related groups will clash with the other neighbors of Islam—Russia, China, India—who may prove less squeamish than the Americans in using their power against Muslims and their sanctities. If bin Laden is correct in his calculations and succeeds in his war, then a dark future awaits the world, especially the part of it that embraces Islam.


This is obviously means, that in the 'world of Islam' a peaceful theology is prevailing. And this is confirmed by statistic. I mean if the whole Islam was a 'radical-like' there will be a much more terror.
So Islam, Coran - just a tools, and Coran itself have a many 'transcriptions'. And the peoples like Bin-Landen is using this 'transcriptions' to achieve their propaganda golals, nothing different from Christianity.
And the hell different from what bout mr/mrs Elodin is typing, I mean his/her "the Islam wants to conquer the whole world..." .

artu -

The 'encyclopedic article' - on the frigging pro-leftists brainwashing political ideology resource? - Are you kidding me?. Perhaps would be better to read the articles about history in The Great Soviet Encyclopedia instead.  .

Yeah, B. Lewis sometime have a VERY similar position to the frigging B. Obama himself, actually I have not read this article by myself, but I have a little doubts that there more comprehended and independent analysis of stupid Islam, than in pathetic resource that has been presented by mr/mrs Elodin.

Why third link is nonsense, I like it. Is there any clues or?

Anyway , ma' points still - the Islam is only a tool, like Christianity was.


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Zenofex
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posted July 28, 2016 08:07 AM

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I think is a bait, similar to the "radicalized" concept (radicalized to what? To Islam of course).

Nothing but last month, ISIS attacked cities such as Istanbul, Dhaka, Baghdad and Medina, which are muslim cities.
What bait? ISIS attacks targets in Islamic countries as well but certainly does choose them at random. I'd be very careful with anything that has both ISIS and Turkey in one sentence, the alleged links between ISIS and Erdogan's government are way to many to just ignore and it's not like maintaining a state of mobilization against a "terrorist threat" is not beneficial for an authoritarian figure. Medina's attacks are not proven to be conducted by ISIS and even if they are - Saudi Arabia is still like an oasis in a land where everyone west and north gets bombed, shot, gut, crucified and burned, not because they have incredibly good internal security either. Baghdad is the capital of a puppet state which ISIS has been trying to conquer for years, what do you expect? I don't have the background for Dhaka so can't comment there.

ISIS might have a bunch of psychos among its regular field forces but you can't lead an organization like that if you blindly attack every "infidel" or "traitor" and hope to survive for long. Their attacks are not random and certainly not chosen to prove how they are the sword of Allah that brings justice to everyone who defies them - that would be beyond idiotic, something which you can expect from a gang of school bullies and not from an organization which operates both as a military force and black ops in multiple countries. The very fact that nobody, France including, wants to hit them hard should speak volumes to you.
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I don't know if it's the right decision or not,  but the popular consensus is that the Saud monarchy is much more tolerable than what the vacuum would leave in its place
Who said that they should be completely wiped out? The "democratic community" eagerly throws sanctions at Russia when it does something unacceptable but Saudis are immune to such things, even though they spread and support an ultra-conservative, violent and xenophobic ideology which all the major terrorist groups related to Islam and operating outside of their own regions just happen to embrace entirely?

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artu
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posted July 28, 2016 12:59 PM
Edited by artu at 21:44, 28 Jul 2016.

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I'd be very careful with anything that has both ISIS and Turkey in one sentence, the alleged links between ISIS and Erdogan's government are way to many to just ignore and it's not like maintaining a state of mobilization against a "terrorist threat" is not beneficial for an authoritarian figure.

Those "alleged" links are more than a few years old though. In the beginning Turkey supported them against Assad (who was backed by Russia because of pipeline routes) like the rest of the NATO countries. You remember those times when suddenly all media started to fill with "Assad the bloodthirsty monster" news. When ISIS got out of control, and looking at the chaos in Iraq, the West decided not to touch Assad for some time, with Russia also persisting on that, Erdogan was the most reluctant to get along with that hard turn of the wheel. Since, the whole thing was not just about Assad for Turkey, but also about not  strengthening the hand of the Kurdish guerilla forces over there. And needless to say, although he was never as radical as Salafists themselves, the word "Islamist" doesn't horrify Erdogan like it would a Westerner. Still, he was eventually convinced to join the rest, even if not wholeheartedly. He wouldn't deliberately orchestrate or conspire ISIS to bomb Turkey's own airports and city centers.The attacks are authentic.
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