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Corribus
Corribus

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posted July 15, 2016 02:05 PM

Phe, you've already been warned about posts insulting groups of people. Now you are penalized for it. Please read the Code of Conduct, especially the part about insults and provocation.
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phe
phe


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posted July 15, 2016 02:12 PM
Edited by phe at 14:20, 15 Jul 2016.

EnergyZ said:

I'd reconsider that if I were you. In ancient Greece there was also homosexuality and they certainly were no barbarians.

Come to think of it, I don't think barbarians were gay. At all.


Some Ancient Greek murdered their children by leaving them for death...They were less barbaric than neighbours...however
still...I think their neighbours were no diffrent in homosexualism...
homosexualism represents poor manners...corruption...lie...barbarism...

Ebonheart said:

They have always been present, during peaceful and barbaric eras.


other bad issues like stealing and corruption existed too...it doesn't mean to be recognized as good...

Quote:

trade unions mostly consist of persons with said attributes, but that is just plain wrong.


objective survey would be required...

Sorry Corribus...I try to show the truth...what if it is insulting...I thought warnings don't count after some time...

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Salamandre
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posted July 15, 2016 02:16 PM

Please, don't give to all those lobbies another "n" reason to whine for discrimination. One should not care about others sexuality as long as it does not restrict his own individual freedom or rights. Then less they moan, less we talk about and more we concentrate on real problems.

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Maurice
Maurice

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posted July 15, 2016 02:20 PM

Let's drop the conversation started by Phe. He has been penalized for it, let's not give any more fuel to the fire of that issue.

We don't like to intervene unless it's needed but if needed, we won't hesitate to do so.

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frostysh
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posted July 15, 2016 03:05 PM

Salamandre - I am disagree.
Islam by itself is not a cause, it is an important factor of terrorism, but not a cause.
Why is it so? If you have some imagination, you can easily image you on as a terrorist in the truck with explosive stuff...

So why do you here? - Because of Islam? Yeah, you made a praying to Allah or whatever .. before you took driver place.

But what was before??? - You making contact with radical organization ISIS, or such nonsense.. Is there Islam helped to you? Yes, i.e. ISIS is totally Islamic.

But what was before??? - Your suffer because of someone of you families died in endless war conflict in the "problem regions", perhaps your cousin, or a favorite dog, I do not know. Or perhaps the member of your dear friend's family deserve such fate, and your friend gave to you an ideas of revenge. Or perhaps you saw on tv, and listen from friends how your homeland, or homeland of your family, friends struggle under war , and in this war NATO somehow involved...
Is there Islam involved? - Nope, even if you are superior muslim with 4x wife,  and 10 sons, and everyday Koran/Sharia, I have a hell doubts that you will have a good motivation to die and kill just because of Islam... Rather you will leave as a proud muslim with 4x wife, to the end of your day in peace... I think, the Islam in that way can make a role of inhibitor .

So the real problem not the Islam, it is just a horrible situation with quality of life, the laws, and the other things, geopolitical things included,.. in the "problem regions".

I think the Islam is playing the same role as Christianity there, a very good example is Elodin, who actually tried to explain me a Christians charity and goodness, and the take a radical position to "a very immigrants regulation", "a war against western civilization" etc.. So bloodthirsty this Christians actually are , at least internet-user Elodin...

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Salamandre
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posted July 15, 2016 03:31 PM

frostysh said:
if you are superior muslim with 4x wife,  and 10 sons, and everyday Koran/Sharia, I have a hell doubts that you will have a good motivation to die and kill just because of Islam


Islam terror is financed by rich oligarchs which all have a quality life we can only dream about. Bin Laden wasn't poor, he had family, kids, billions of dollars and yet he wanted to harm others and pursue Jihad. The terrorists in Paris had thousands of dollars in bank, houses, kids and wives, they didn't belong to the poor social class. The terrorist in Orlando wasn't poor neither, the brothers at Boston were equally successfully integrated and had a good life level. I<t is an ideological fight, not a social one, sooner you get it, better you know how to counter it.

frostysh said:
So the real problem not the Islam, it is just a horrible situation with quality of life,


First, poverty and poor quality of life is not an exclusive African or Islamic infirmity. I can show you dozens of other cultures and countries which experience same struggle yet they do not create Jihad and kill people, nor are invaded or colonized. Secondly, one can argue that when you have a closed and intolerant culture, when you believe that others are inferior, sinners and should be put to death, when you don't believe in science, in rationality and prefer Sharia laws, your civilization will unlikely improve over centuries, and isn't the case?
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frostysh
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posted July 15, 2016 04:20 PM

Salamandre said:

Islam terror is financed by rich oligarchs which all have a quality life we can only dream about. Bin Laden wasn't poor, he had family, kids, billions of dollars and yet he wanted to harm others and pursue Jihad. The terrorists in Paris had thousands of dollars in bank, houses, kids and wives, they didn't belong to the poor social class. The terrorist in Orlando wasn't poor neither, the brothers at Boston were equally successfully integrated and had a good life level. I<t is an ideological fight, not a social one, sooner you get it, better you know how to counter it.


And do you have any clues of some source of terrorist resources, i.e. financial? Or this is just a words type over forum.
Actually, IMHO they have some "sources" but I have no idea who can feed them in some opportunity reasons. Many candidates, especially Iran, and other.

In my honored opinion. - Bin Laden was just 1 man, perhaps his face is showed many time in tv, and news, and stuff... But main power of the terrorists organization was not Ben Laden ... Actually the main power of terrorist organization is a like-minds who have a same ideas - hating US, i.e.
I think usually the radicals organization leaders is a stupid and pathetic, and to eliminate them is not a good idea if you want to win the battle against this terr. org....
Anyway.
So why this like-minds have a same idea in their brains? Because of Islam, hell no. I mentioned some reasons in the post before, in general, relationships, patriotism, suffering for his peoples struggles in war, and such stuff can easily make the terrorist from a good human, Islam in this case, IMHO, only a glue like thing, but not a root of the problem! If you will fight against glue you will obtain only a more tough glue, you must fight against roots.

Salamandre said:

First, poverty and poor quality of life is not an exclusive African or Islamic infirmity. I can show you dozens of other cultures and countries which experience same struggle yet they do not create Jihad and kill people, . . .

Okay, let me an example of this combination in history, that not became a "problem region" and potentially or actully source of terrorism.
Poverty + Low Quality of Life + Cold War import of .. of War + endless military conflicts + NATO, US wars, bombarding etc = XXI c A.D. regions is the sources of terrorism.,

Perhaps you little not fully realized what actually "low quality of life" means...
Imagine the next situation: you work every day, hard work, just to not die, and some come and take all that you have, with such horrible things like raping slavery included... But your close neighborhoods did not suffer such fate, WHY this happens?
Because you have no protection of ISIS-like nonsense from a rural gangs... ISIS-like nonsense is a REAL power in the poor regions.
So next time you will join the ISIS-like nonsense, and perhaps someday you will receive the order to help in some terrorists acts...

That how this organization rise to power, and it's spreading radicalism like a CANCER, especially through a poor regions. . . And obviously "dropping bombs" only will helping to them.. I thought that this thing is knows almost everyone... strange, IMHO or perhaps I am wrong?

Example number 2: You living in the some rich Wes City, with not a bad life. Your friend has child who died with others children when the bomb dropped from, I do not know, the NATO craft killed hundreds women and children in the shelter...

You - "Allahh Akbhar ma friend, ho are you?"
Friend - "Allah bla-bla-bla, we fights against .... "
Friend - "You know that your grandma died in war ... blabla"

After some time +1 terrorist. This is how terr. org. recruit like-minds. Islam is help to them, but this is obviously not a root of the problem .
Is this makes any sense for you?

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Kayna
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posted July 15, 2016 04:26 PM
Edited by Kayna at 16:29, 15 Jul 2016.

Phe ... you need to join the Westboro baptist church, bro. In there, you will find your path of self enlightenment and consequently, peace!

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posted July 15, 2016 04:43 PM

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I like the ideology of the liberal but it's a shame they let people die by not screening immigration. People are dying just to make ourselves believe we're good guys.

Yeah.... you keep telling other people they're nutjobs. With how clearly you see things you should definitely be the first to throw the stone.

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Elodin
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posted July 15, 2016 05:03 PM

It is not multiculturalism that is the problem.  It is a specific culture.  The culture that insists all the world must convert to Islam and live under Sharia law or die.  Please note I am not saying all or most Muslims are jihadists.

The fifth column in western nations are the Muslims here who hold to that "convert or die" ideology.  They do not see us as fellow citizens but as enemies of Allah.

When the West allows massive immigration of people who see us as enemies of their god we are beheading ourselves.

Not all Muslims have the "convert or die" ideology.  Those can live peacefully with other cultures.  But Sharia Law is not comparable with democracy.  The West must carefully consider who it allows to immigrate to our nations if we wish for the civilization we built not to be destroyed from within.

In addition to vetting immigrants we need to monitor the meetings in mosques that are open to the public.  This will show us which mosques are preaching jihad.  Imams preaching jihad are essentially recruiting enemy soldiers to attack us on our on soil.  Every citizen who becomes a jihadist has become a traitor as has everyone who provided material support to the jihadist.

These acts of Islamic terror are not simple crimes.  They are acts of war on western civilization.  Our politicians must openly declare this and we must treat the terror attacks as such.

The mass rapes now occurring in the West are also jihad designed to intimidate us into becoming Sharia law compliant.

Consider this

@frostysh

No, I am not bloodthirsty and no, Christianity is not calling for the world to convert to Christianity Or die.

It is "charity and goodness" to acknowledge that war is being waged on the West.  Being a Christian does not mean ignoring the truth but living by the truth.  I will not stand by silently and speak politically correct platitudes as jihadists murder my friends, loved ones, and my nation. I speak truth in love got my fellow man.

Dropping food on the terrorists will not make them not want to kill us.  Hugging a terrorist will not make them not want to kill us.  They believe in killing us they are pleasing Allah and earning an eternal reward.  Islamic terrorism is driven by a particular understanding of Islam not a lack of jobs, Play-Stations, or pizzas.  Many jihadists have been wealthy people.

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Kayna
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posted July 15, 2016 05:12 PM
Edited by Kayna at 18:49, 15 Jul 2016.

Abaddon said:
Yeah.... you keep telling other people they're nutjobs. With how clearly you see things you should definitely be the first to throw the stone.


That's not an argument. It's a proverb. Best to counter a proverb with another one... It takes one to know one!

Edit : Ok. An explanation before you call me a basic racist. What I call for is logic in a decision above anything else.

It would have been best to not attack Syria at all. But if France attacks Syria, which is more or less an attack on Muslims rather than Syria itself because the act was done after bending their spines to the USA pressure rather than be a genuine french sentiment, then wouldn't it be logical to prevent Muslims from entering, because some terrorists might be sneaking in among the innocents? Or at the very least, a better screening process?

Since it's too late to change the past, then maybe we could get these French politicians that bended their spine to the USA and did these air strikes, stuff them in carton boxes and ship them to Syria. You know that will never happen though, as respecting the authority is the no 1 priority of all.

I suppose the French people will have to suffer and keep suffering because people accountable will not be brought to justice and because everybody's brainwashed to love their enemies. If I attacked a brown only neighborhood, I certainly wouldn't allow any brown people in my home after that, out of guilt and survival instinct. Letting them in would be... stupid.

Stupid is the word. Yes. Incoherent, stupid political decisions that does not fit well with each other. Instead of having a full out war or genuine peace, we have something that... isn't even a half measure. It's more like an attack to please the US and fill the pockets of certain politicians and please the rednecks, followed by a cover up of extreme liberal brainwash to please the liberals.

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posted July 15, 2016 06:51 PM

Very strange no one thought a truck that size wandering about the crowd could be dangerous. A bit of security slack, if I may say. Still, whichever the case of slackness might have been, dozens of lives were lost, most of them unaware of whatever schemes or ideologies those third parties involved them with.

And then I wonder, later this year, during the Olympic Games in Rio, what will happen then.
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frostysh
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posted July 15, 2016 06:56 PM

Elodin said:
It is not multiculturalism that is the problem.  It is a specific culture.  The culture that insists all the world must convert to Islam and live under Sharia law or die.  Please note I am not saying all or most Muslims are jihadists.


And where actually this is described in the Islam printed stuff (Koran/Sharia)?? Or any other statistic do you have to confirm your ... words?
And I think you using the oil of UAE, and this country is total under Islam. And they seems to do not want going war to the "West civilizations" .

Elodin said:

The fifth column in western nations are the Muslims here who hold to that "convert or die" ideology.  They do not see us as fellow citizens but as enemies of Allah.


Let me think a bit... The immigrants running from a poor and hard life, trying live normal in the Europe stuff, and they actually are invaders army who want to transform your "pure Christianity" to Allah or kill instead O_O?

Actually, immigrants this is usually economical, and law-orders problem. As I said before - deport all immigrants from France , i.e. and still 60 millions and 650 thousands km^2 is an impossible to protect against terrorist like attacks.
And immigrants took their roots in the time of Europe "colonization" of Africa, do you remember which regions was an actually a France colonies?? So Europe is still heavy connected with a poor regions, where radicals in the rule, this is Africa and Middle East.  

Elodin said:

When the West allows massive immigration of people who see us as enemies of their god we are beheading ourselves.
Not all Muslims have the "convert or die" ideology.  Those can live peacefully with other cultures.  But Sharia Law is not comparable with democracy.  The West must carefully consider who it allows to immigrate to our nations if we wish for the civilization we built not to be destroyed from within.


Sorry but you are typing the nonsense.
To destroy "civilization" you must make a total war like are "2 World War". Immigrants absolutely incapable to destroy any of Europe civilization, they have no aircraft, rockets, and mass amount of nuclear weapon, like most of Europe countries.
If the Europe will "push" harder to the immigrants, this will not make a terrorists attack less number, this will have actually opposite effect - IMHO.  
Elodin said:

In addition to vetting immigrants we need to monitor the meetings in mosques that are open to the public.  This will show us which mosques are preaching jihad.  Imams preaching jihad are essentially recruiting enemy soldiers to attack us on our on soil.  Every citizen who becomes a jihadist has become a traitor as has everyone who provided material support to the jihadist.


This is looks like Soviet Union communistic ideology - "the traitor of the peoples" .
IMHO - Elodin's nonsense again...
The terrorists will find the way, you see the single terror-act can be simply organized. Cheap and the effective explosive stuff can easily kill dozens in seconds, and wound a hundreds.  
If you will mess with Islam and mosques, you will find that numbers of terrorists will rise a VERY quickly... Of course if it's not your goal..

Elodin said:

These acts of Islamic terror are not simple crimes.  They are acts of war on western civilization.  Our politicians must openly declare this and we must treat the terror attacks as such.


Islam just a religion, it is a second largest religion, if the all muslims want to "western civilization die" I think the things nowdays will be much more horrible.
Terrorists are muslim radicals - the same radical are in Christianity too. This is common religion problem, but Islam is little different in cases of "a very unstable and har to live regions" where this religion is most spread on.
The more poor region = more radicals.

Elodin said:

The mass rapes now occurring in the West are also jihad designed to intimidate us into becoming Sharia law compliant.

Consider this


Yeah , Sharia has some insane nonsense about women, but it's looks like you just want to post your wenom, you raping is a common things for both, Christians and Muslims, this is just a crime, and this is just a criminal habits.
My point is next: not all muslims will rape you, same as with christians.

Elodin said:

@frostysh
No, I am not bloodthirsty and no, Christianity is not calling for the world to convert to Christianity Or die.


But you typing about "the war against West", the "too peaceful politicians" etc .., so for now my conclusion is next: 1) You never saw the war by yourself, 2) You are look too much of "Camelot cartoons" , and obviously you are bloodthirsty.

Elodin said:

It is "charity and goodness" to acknowledge that war is being waged on the West.  Being a Christian does not mean ignoring the truth but living by the truth.  I will not stand by silently and speak politically correct platitudes as jihadists murder my friends, loved ones, and my nation. I speak truth in love got my fellow man.


Again "war", "war" . . . I think you are to focused on the war, perhaps the Hollywood cinema is reason for that. Go play in "Call Of Duty", or in somethings like it, and for a God Sake forgot at least for a minute about this "war against the western civilization" lol..  I am joking.

Actually the War is going on the territories where Islam is most spread for a hell long time, and actually that is a REAL war, not nonsense like you have mentioned, and actually THERE MANY European countries who involved in this war for long time... India/Pakistan, Syria/Lebanon , Angola/Ethiopia/SAR so on
You have little bit forgot the history or what? And actually the war like this produce a HELL LOT of suffering = a HELL lot of RADICALS = a hell lot of terrorists that hates anythings, even the muslims who not hates that them hates :"D .


Elodin said:

Dropping food on the terrorists will not make them not want to kill us.  Hugging a terrorist will not make them not want to kill us.  They believe in killing us they are pleasing Allah and earning an eternal reward.  Islamic terrorism is driven by a particular understanding of Islam not a lack of jobs, Play-Stations, or pizzas.  Many jihadists have been wealthy people.

:facepalm: "Dropping supplies" means trying to make a DIRECT HELP to the poor rural life in the region, with propaganda NATO included = >> terrorists who obviously HATE NATO will kill and hurt anyone who this help will obtain ====> the CONFLICT between those who using this help, and the terrorist organizations .
I.e. Kurdish folks in Syria  - but the result was not so good, anyway a good tactics, and hell no idea about strategy. IMHO
Or I am saying something wrong.. ??
I just not realized that you will obtain an information from my posts, so straight, but do not worry - "Dumb and straight" this is ma' teachings, you are pretty good student  Lol..

About "wealthy" peoples I mentioned above. - Terr. organization recruits this wealthy peoples using Islam, but actually the Islam is NOT a reason or a cause of existence this terrorist organization.  

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posted July 15, 2016 07:02 PM

PandaTar said:
Very strange no one thought a truck that size wandering about the crowd could be dangerous. A bit of security slack, if I may say. Still, whichever the case of slackness might have been, dozens of lives were lost, most of them unaware of whatever schemes or ideologies those third parties involved them with.

And then I wonder, later this year, during the Olympic Games in Rio, what will happen then.

Olympic Games , nah, I think this will be not a good target, IMHO terrorists usually choose a much more low protected targets with a high peoples density .
So if a some idiot may want to kill the innocent peoples, he/she will choose a cafe, theater or somethings where are many peoples and no heavy guarded areas.
But Olympic Game are attractive because of social resonance

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posted July 15, 2016 07:11 PM

frostysh said:
IMHO terrorists usually choose a much more low protected targets with a high peoples density.


That's Rio, right there.
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posted July 15, 2016 07:19 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 19:23, 15 Jul 2016.

Sorry dude but for one who joined 5 days ago, saying that Elodin posts are non-sense while all you do is 5 yo babblefish, filled with emoji, underlines, caps, colored letters and tabloid pics, to substitute to the missing substance, is just incredibly arrogant. None here attacked you personally, stay fair and that might continue.

When he speaks about civilization destroyed from within, is not about bombs, planes or any weapon. Is about identity loss and cultural dilution.

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Kayna
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posted July 15, 2016 07:19 PM

PandaTar said:
frostysh said:
IMHO terrorists usually choose a much more low protected targets with a high peoples density.


That's Rio, right there.


Did Brazil ever participated in air raids against Muslim countries though?

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Maurice
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posted July 15, 2016 07:37 PM
Edited by Maurice at 19:40, 15 Jul 2016.

Basically, the whole mess we're seeing is as old as mankind. Religion has been the banner for many centuries, but if it weren't for religion, mankind would have found another excuse to slaughter one another.

The base premise is power. A few people at the top that use brainwashing techniques to manipulate a large crowd of people, indoctrinating them with propaganda as well as threatening them with punishment (not often lethal in nature) if they don't adher to what's being pushed their way. In this particular case, a muslim who turns away from islam is considered a heretic who must die for the treason he commits to what other muslims believe is the true faith.

Europe isn't unfamiliar with this concept either, as the Catholic church performed similar feats back in the Middle Ages. The whole crusade stuff was fueled in the same way, with untold suffering not just in the Holy Land but also in countries on the way there (Byzantium anyone?) or in Eastern Europe / Russia. Keep the people dumb, point out an enemy and send them that way and they will march to war for you, it's that simple.

In Europe this all changed about 200 years ago, when enlightenment started to happen and people started to question some of the doctrine they were being spoonfed. Daring to think outside the box and then finding that it's not all hell and damnation then quickly boosted our technological advancements, as well as giving birth to concepts like democracy and freedom, an abolishment from slavery and equality of man and woman. It's been a long, hard road and despite this being the case for the most part in the modern, Western world, there are still issues that conflict with it. One well-known one is the inequality of salary for a job, where a man generally gets paid more than a woman.

The world in the Middle East is still centuries behind us, in terms of free thinking. We only didn't notice it because for the general population both in the Middle East and in the Western world, there was little to no communication, no interaction, no insight in how the others lived their lives. With the advent of modern communication technologies, we've been given a look into each others' way of life - and there's mutual resentment. For example, we react negatively to the suppression of women in the Middle East, they react negatively to the freedom women have in our world. It's a culture clash.

Couple that to the fact that the islam is still at the stage that it wants to dominate the world, including the mass migration that has taken place after the second World War as well as the current mass migration that's happening, and the people in high places in the Middle East are whipping their followers into a frenzy to go to war. The influence of the Western World with the various wars and invasions in the past few decades haven't done any good either to put us in a good light in their eyes.

And yet, something that's also prevalent, is that we see the islam act and react the way we had with Christianity during the (late) Middle Ages too: various different directions, all claiming to follow the same God, butchering eachother with the claim that the other party is composed of sinners. Catholics, Christians, Protestants, etc ... have all had bloody conflicts among themselves. I'm pretty sure there were numerous religious leaders at the head of those directions who were as fanatical as some imams we see nowadays preaching to kill the sinners and non-believers. It's a bit enlarged though, in our current age, given how much further one can reach nowadays with a message to other people. In the past, you had your immediate region, but these days you can reach the other side of the world.

With our elevated social structure and society compared to what we had back in those days, we now live side by side in relative peace. The islam still has a ways to go to get there. I have no doubt they will get there one day, but that day may still be decades, if not centuries off - and in that time, we'll have to face up to their crusade. Personally, I think we need to come up with a firm and hard answer, otherwise they'll wash over us like a flood. Tolerance should never be given to intolerance and as such, organisations (like salafism) who are preaching against the fundamental values of liberty and equality that we hold for dear in our modern society, attempting to undermine them, should be forbidden and its agents actively being expelled from our Western world.

At the same time, the muslims who are adrift in our society and are looking for guidance should be helped and provided a viable alternative which steers them away from the more dangerous and brainwashing currents that exist within islam. After all, it's usually the group that has no expectations out of life, down in the gutter, who are most liable to fall to the only thing they have left, which is a more radical form of their religion, susceptible to the messages they spew forth as they put the blame of their predicament and failure in our society on our modern Western world, rather than their own shortcomings as part of the cultural differences that exist between our world and theirs.

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posted July 15, 2016 09:45 PM

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But you typing about "the war against West", the "too peaceful politicians" etc .., so for now my conclusion is next: 1) You never saw the war by yourself, 2) You are look too much of "Camelot cartoons" 
, and obviously you are bloodthirsty. 
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Both of your conclusions are incorrect.  I am a United States combat veteran.  Without willingness to fight society cannot have both peace and liberty.  Willingnes to fight does not mark one as bloodthirsty.

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And where actually this is described in the Islam printed stuff (Koran/Sharia)?? Or any other statistic do you have to confirm your ... words? 



My first piece of evidence is mountains of dead bodies.  A person screaming "Allah is great" as he is murdering innocents is a pretty good indication of a Islamic motivation.

My second piece of evidence are Muslim terrorist organizations calling for jihad ("holy war.")  Do I really need to link to these?

My third piece of evidence is

imams
preaching jihad in mosques even in the United States.

My fourth piece of evidence is Sharia law

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The Sharia, Islam&#8217;s canon law is traceable to Koranic verses and edicts (45:18, 42:13, 42:21, 5:48; 4:34, 5:33-34, 5:38, 8:12-14; 9:5, 9:29, 24:2-4), as further elaborated in the &#8220;hadith,&#8221; or traditions of Islam&#8217;s prophet Muhammad and the earliest Muslim community, and codified into formal &#8220;legal&#8221; rulings by Islam&#8217;s greatest classical legists. Sharia is a retrogressive development compared with the evolution of clear distinctions between &#8220;ritual, the law, moral doctrine, good customs in society, etc.,&#8221; within Western European Christendom, and it is utterly incompatible with the conceptions of human rights enshrined in the US Bill of Rights. Liberty-crushing, and dehumanizing, Sharia sanctions: open-ended jihadism to subjugate the world to a totalitarian Islamic order; rejection of bedrock Western liberties &#8212; including freedom of conscience and speech &#8212; enforced by imprisonment, beating, or death; discriminatory relegation of non-Muslims to outcast, vulnerable pariahs, and even Muslim women to subservient chattel; and barbaric punishments which violate human dignity, such as amputation for theft, stoning to death for adultery, and lashing for alcohol consumption.



Fifth, I present the beliefs of Muslim Americans, as surveyed. Refer to previous link.

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Wenzel Strategies during October 22 to 26, 2012, polled 600 US Muslims of high socio-economic status. When asked, &#8220;Do you believe that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should be permitted under the Constitution&#8217;s First Amendment?, 58% replied &#8220;no,&#8221; while only 42% affirmed this most basic manifestation of freedom of speech, i.e., to criticize religious, or any other dogma. Indeed, oblivious to US constitutional law, as opposed to Islam&#8217;s Sharia, a largely concordant 45% of respondents agreed &#8220;&#8230;that those who criticize or parody Islam in the U.S. should face criminal charges,&#8221; while 38% did not, and 17% were &#8220;unsure&#8221;.  Moreover, fully 12% of this Muslim sample even admitted they believed in application of the draconian, Sharia-based punishment for the non-existent crime of &#8220;blasphemy&#8221; in the US code, answering affirmatively, &#8220;&#8230;that Americans who criticize or parody Islam should be put to death.&#8221; Three years later, in June of 2015, data from a survey of another 600 US Muslims conducted by the respected political pollster Kellyanne Conway revealed 51%, &#8220;agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Sharia.&#8221; (A &#8220;mere&#8221; 25% of those polled agreed that &#8220;violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad&#8221



I will perhaps reply to other portions of your post later but now I need a break and this post is already quite long.

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posted July 15, 2016 11:08 PM

Kayna said:

Did Brazil ever participated in air raids against Muslim countries though?


Nope, but some rumors happened around when a supposed IE guy said they would attack our country someday – basically given that we were opened to rescue Syrians and help fighting (locally) such things. But it might be considered a good target due the number of foreigners coming to watch the games. However, right now the thing that might be more dangerous than that is the Zika virus outbreak.

Given we are not experienced in fighting that kind of terror directly, I cannot also ignore that local authorities and army are used to fight a kind of internal terrorism, usually labelled as trivial things. I just hope they can cope with security to grant visitors, the innocent ones, a safe passage and return home to their families with good memories.
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