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Stevie
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posted February 22, 2017 06:59 PM
Edited by Stevie at 19:03, 22 Feb 2017.

dulkan said:
I'm in a bit of a dilemma.

I finally have the resources to upgrade my owl to 4 stars and I really love that creature (special: hits 5 times and each hit has a chance to silence). But it only has one dot. I really don't know, whether I should spent the resources to max a one dot or rather wait to find an owl with more dots or use a different creature.


Personally, I would never level a creature with only one dot, it's pretty much a waste. Filling mana for abilities is essential in fights and with one dot you will take a lot before you make a difference. It might be harder to find small (Owl's medium I think) creatures with two dots, but I think that's the bare minimum.
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HungryDragon
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posted February 22, 2017 07:23 PM

One other thing...

I'm going to be traveling for the next couple weeks and likely not around much for the duration.  I'm hoping to line up a pinch-hitter to help with questions and issues, but I'll be back before you know it!

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Raenus
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posted February 22, 2017 07:23 PM

Dulkan said:


@Raenus
Are you so excited about the Gorgon, because you like gorgons?
I got one from an idol and I'm less than impressed. Its special is deal 50% power poison dmg for 3 turns to the target and neighboring enemies and the baseline stats at 3 star lvl 40 are 4200HP, 550pwr, 550atk, 1050 def, 550 luck.
Also it's basic attack is berserker, so expending a tome to change that is probably necessary.
Don't really see a use for it, the power is very low (even my Tengu healer has 900 without any totems on lvl 45) and the special doesn't do anything instantly and can possibly be completely resisted or cured.


........ . Yeah, I really like the design. Sad to hear it is not great......may try for it anyway. Thank you for the heads up.
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markmasters
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posted February 22, 2017 07:48 PM

HungryDragon said:
One other thing...

I'm going to be traveling for the next couple weeks and likely not around much for the duration.  I'm hoping to line up a pinch-hitter to help with questions and issues, but I'll be back before you know it!


ENjoy!!!!

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yasmiel
yasmiel


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posted February 22, 2017 07:49 PM

Dulkan said:

Wouldn't it be simpler to just give a creature the combo dots of the one with more dots? I.e. you fuse a lvl 1 4-dot creature to lvl 75 2-dot, the lvl 75 now has 4 dots.
Even with your suggestion, not leveling low dot creatures is fairly bad, as you have to spend a ton of gems and other material to level that higher dot creature up again.


This sounds simple but effective. And it preserves the randomness as you still have to collect that high dot numebr creature at some point.

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hayenne
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posted February 22, 2017 09:12 PM
Edited by hayenne at 21:32, 22 Feb 2017.

Dulkan said:

Wouldn't it be simpler to just give a creature the combo dots of the one with more dots? I.e. you fuse a lvl 1 4-dot creature to lvl 75 2-dot, the lvl 75 now has 4 dots.
Even with your suggestion, not leveling low dot creatures is fairly bad, as you have to spend a ton of gems and other material to level that higher dot creature up again.


I'm a bit torn about this one. On the one hand, it's definitely a useful utility and you can safely use even the worse creatures right away; on the other hand there is something appealing at the decisions you have to make: either to save up and farm that precious creature or bite a bullet and use what you have at your hand now.

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Galaad
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posted February 22, 2017 10:31 PM
Edited by Galaad at 00:11, 23 Feb 2017.

hayenne said:
Ok guys, this is going to be a bit of an effort, so let's work on it together

I added all mentioned creatures from the thread to the list here:

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=43894

Please comment with the confirmed drops you personally witnessed and I'll add them to the root post. I figured it is going to be a bit spammy so it's best to move it to a separate thread. Also try to give exact level 1 creature name so it's easier to search.


Awesome!

While linking to the OP I've noticed all the small tips have disappeared from the official website so I wonder what's up with that??! Edit: Nvm I found them back.

And welcome to the guild Dulkan.
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ANcientDRuids
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posted February 23, 2017 12:59 AM
Edited by ANcientDRuids at 01:00, 23 Feb 2017.

Galaad said:
AFAIK the only way to get essences is from Dungeon Challenges.

Not even from Golden chests on King difficulties? I got a Diamond Idol from a quest reward on Prince. Do you guys with 100+ levels remember any particularly good loot from King? Epic Idols, maybe?

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted February 23, 2017 01:42 AM

ANcientDRuids said:
Galaad said:
AFAIK the only way to get essences is from Dungeon Challenges.

Not even from Golden chests on King difficulties? I got a Diamond Idol from a quest reward on Prince. Do you guys with 100+ levels remember any particularly good loot from King? Epic Idols, maybe?


Diamond Idol is not exactly same value as Awakening Essence.

I am mainly disappointed in the gems loot from King as I NEVER got the max sized from other than token chests, the Giant Adventure I think I looted around 50 times but it's hard to tell really. The Silver chests give diamonds though and if they double at 100% is quite nice. I really appreciate the new extras, sometimes chests with 35 diamonds or the yellow markets on wish quests with a "wrong" currency. No memory of Epic Idol but not so sure.
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AxeTerio
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posted February 23, 2017 06:18 AM

HungryDragon said:

I'm no forum expert, but I tried answering the questions inside the quote (in bold).  It feels like that violates some sort of protocol or etiquette or something, but it seemed like the easiest solution.


I think it looks great and cuts down on clutter, awesome job sir!

I don't like the "fully customizable" idea either, agree that it would hurt dungeons and personally want to help get more people interested in this mode than against lol

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AxeTerio
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posted February 23, 2017 08:51 AM
Edited by AxeTerio at 08:59, 23 Feb 2017.

dulkan said:
I'm in a bit of a dilemma.

I finally have the resources to upgrade my owl to 4 stars and I really love that creature (special: hits 5 times and each hit has a chance to silence). But it only has one dot. I really don't know, whether I should spent the resources to max a one dot or rather wait to find an owl with more dots or use a different creature.

I also took a look at my small creatures, here a list of what seems good to me (all of them are only at 1-star):

You have 3 ground and 3 3 flier slotsw in the small dungeon, 3 ground, 2 flier in the big one

- vampire bat (150% pwr dmg, heals for 50%, flier)
- crane and rat (150% pwr dmg, flier and ground)
- magic sword hits 3x for 50% atk, 25% chance to hit two additional enemies for same dmg. (flier)
- cat sorcerer (120% pwr dmg to first target, 60% to second, 30% to third, ground)
- boggart (150% atk dmg and debuffs luck by 30%, ground)
- horned dragon baby (100% pwr dmg to target, 50% to neighboring, ground)
- flytrap (100% pwr dmg, heals himself and neighbors for 50%, ground)
- ladybug (2x50% pwr dmg and burns for 2x50% pwr dmg for 2 turns, flier)
- chipmunk (160% pwr dmg and lowers def by 30%, flier)
- penguin hunter (160% luck dmg with 30% chance to strike again, ground)
- toad (175% pwr dmg and 4 turn stun (this is 3-star), ground)


2d (dot) creatures are pretty easy to come by, I agree with Stevie to stop building anything lower.

I'd only evolve to next tier when you have a good amount of exp gems too to put back into it, remember they go back to lvl 1.

As the Dungeon layouts change and to plan for future gameplay, I'd lay groundwork for monsters of 6 small (later build to 12), 6 medium (later build to 9) and 3 large (later to 6) for Dungeon defense in both flying and standing types.

Of those you listed, I like: toad, penguin, chipmunk, flytrap (if placed in the middle), boggart, cat sorcerer, vampire bat.

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Dulkan
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posted February 23, 2017 09:52 AM

I think I'll level up one of my pandas to replace the owl.

Regarding the small creatures, I guess I have to spend the resources to get them to max evolution, so we can add the maxed special as well as the awakening benefits to the equation. The toad goes up to a 6 turn stun on the target and 3 turns on neighboring creatures on max awakening.

I'm just so annoyed, that I can't get a single 3-dot small. I have 11 cat sorcerers, not a single one has more than one dot.


@axe
Yeah, I know and it's really annoying, that you cannot gauge how far the gems you have get the creature.  
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markmasters
markmasters


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posted February 23, 2017 10:14 AM

I got a 3 dot cat sorceror. Where did you get new ones?

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Galaad
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posted February 23, 2017 10:16 AM
Edited by Galaad at 10:21, 23 Feb 2017.

markmasters said:
I got a 3 dot cat sorceror. Where did you get new ones?


Me too. Battle Tower 42 IIRC
Also the Cats&Dogs level, don't remember which one is.

Edit: Or wait, maybe I confound with cat-witch, since I'm doomed to use french version I can mix up names.
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hayenne
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posted February 23, 2017 10:20 AM
Edited by hayenne at 18:01, 23 Feb 2017.

markmasters said:
I got a 3 dot cat sorceror. Where did you get new ones?


Use http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=43894&pagenumber=1 for reference I cleared Tower 31 for them.

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Stevie
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posted February 23, 2017 01:53 PM

Top 10 guild! What now, Andruids?
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AncientDruids
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posted February 23, 2017 03:52 PM
Edited by AncientDruids at 15:54, 23 Feb 2017.

Thanks for asking. About 5 peeps in my current guild started slacking and top 10 seems distant. I have 4100 prestige and 112 level (and still rising, I want to reach 9000 in 5 days and I'm not afraid to use some diamonds to this end). If there's a vacancy in near future, please allow me to join.

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Stevie
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posted February 23, 2017 04:01 PM

There sure is now, a guy just left and we've gone top 11
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AxeTerio
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posted February 23, 2017 04:04 PM
Edited by AxeTerio at 16:05, 23 Feb 2017.

Dulkan said:

Regarding the small creatures, I guess I have to spend the resources to get them to max evolution, so we can add the maxed special as well as the awakening benefits to the equation. The toad goes up to a 6 turn stun on the target and 3 turns on neighboring creatures on max awakening.

I'm just so annoyed, that I can't get a single 3-dot small. I have 11 cat sorcerers, not a single one has more than one dot


Not really, cuz I think just reviewing their base ability should be indicative enough of Dungeon viability. Plus spending resources to get them to max evolve should already commit us to which ones we're gonna level fully and use Awakening buffs as icing on the cake. It'll be a slower burn ya and we'll take quite a few beatings in the meantime but I think we'll be stronger (and cheaper) in the endgame.

3dots are rare and rarer on small sized creatures so don't let their scarcity put you down. That's why I kinda like idea of not adding dots to creatures cuz the felling you get when finding one

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Stevie
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posted February 23, 2017 04:10 PM

AxeTerio said:
3dots are rare and rarer on small sized creatures so don't let their scarcity put you down. That's why I kinda like idea of not adding dots to creatures cuz the felling you get when finding one


I can understand that feeling, really amazing when 3 and 4 dot creatures drop! Maybe if dots were really hard to get it wouldn't feel as if that experience is devalued? But yea, I guess it's a bit of a sensitive issue to ponder about.
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