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Thread: Duel Map Friendly N00b Tourney! This thread is 19 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 · «PREV / NEXT»
Elvin
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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 29, 2016 05:35 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:06, 30 Oct 2016.

You and radar were the craziest duelists by far



Latest Map Version 31/10/16 Updated!

The map is more or less ready, feel free to try it

Some changes:

- Now skill pop ups show what special abilities you can get from them. Basic abilities already showed what they unlock but now you can plan ahead your build better.

- Summoning masteries now explain what their +4 sp bonus does. For instance master of animation boosts magic fist for +80dmg and animate dead for +120hp.

- Ability descriptions also contain useful tips like the ballista being boosted by attack and knowledge or cold death insta-killing warmachines.

- Tier 1 and 2 destructive boosted. For instance icebolt deals more damage than frost ring, making it more possible to see play.

- Sphinx now gives lvl 20 and everyone starts with basic racial.

- Other than the artifact merchants, I have managed to fit all the adventure locations to the player's starting area.

- To avoid confusion I have updated the map description with the following: Levelling is done via sphinx by selecting yes and it is advised to visit the quest huts prior to levelling.

- Summon elementals and phoenix are now less spellpower dependent. Factions with medium spellpower can use them more effectively but it is still not recommended for low spellpower classes like the knight.

- Bloodrage now reduces damage by 25/30/35%. This means that the less used shatters are now relevant.

- Pit lords now have +25% magic proof since they were inferior to spawns. Spawns still have double the magic protection since they are more heavy duty
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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 30, 2016 01:04 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:14, 30 Oct 2016.

After a number of games on this version it became clear that factions can get too high stats - like dungeon hitting 20 spellpower or knights 12-14 attack. After some testing I modified the artifact pool a bit and games are going to be more balanced now. Also phoenix cape returns to fortress because their unreliable stats made destructive a risky and often underwhelming choice.

Latest Map Version 31/10/16



I am planning to start the tourney on Friday 04/11/16, is everyone alright with that? If anyone else wants to join please notify me until Thursday and I will post the matchups on Friday.

You can freely choose factions or play random. Mirror matches are not recommended due to extreme randomness, especially sylvan and dungeon!

Matchups can be decided in one game or best of three. Winner moves to the next round, each round lasts until next Friday.

Make sure you know the rules! Haven may not train priests into cavaliers and academy may not use lvl 3 mini arties. I have warning signs in front of the starting towns just in case.

Replays are obligatory so that I can verify the results or spot potential rule breaches.

Always select simultaneous turns and autosave when creating a game. End turn for autosave when the game begins and a second time when one of the players is ready. This way you will not lose your game to a disconnection or a crash.



If any questions or suggestions, go ahead

PS WE NEED 1 OR 3 MORE PLAYERS!

The format of the tourney works best with 8 players but 6 will be fine too. We have 5 confirmed players atm.
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Stevie
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posted October 30, 2016 01:47 PM
Edited by Stevie at 13:48, 30 Oct 2016.

Elvin said:
I am planning to start the tourney on Friday 04/11/16, is everyone alright with that? If anyone else wants to join please notify me until Thursday and I will post the matchups on Friday.


Friday's ok but I plan to move for the weekend and it's unreliable if I'll be able to play. I'll try to make it work though.
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Palingenesis
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posted November 01, 2016 02:57 AM

I'd like to participate, if possible . I was part of the forums here before, but I never wrote much and meanwhile I lost my login data. Can the participants choose their starting hero? Moreover, I'd like to do a test run with someone as I remember that I sometimes had trouble with duel maps in the beginning.
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What if Elvin was female?
posted November 01, 2016 06:06 AM

Hello Palingenesis, I will be glad to show you the ropes if someone doesn't beat me to it You're right, this map is better with at least one training session first. You can easily find your way but you will be more comfortable if you know what to expect.

Each faction has about 4 heroes but all start with basic racial and no special so it doesn't really matter who you choose. What matters is the skills/spells/artifacts you get and what you make out of them
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posted November 01, 2016 07:19 AM
Edited by Stevie at 09:38, 01 Nov 2016.

Elvin said:
The format of the tourney works best with 8 players but 6 will be fine too. We have 5 confirmed players atm.


Not sure what you have in mind, but I suggest a preliminary round-robin consisting of best of 1 series followed by double-elimination matches of best of 3 series with the grand final being a best of 5 series. It's the format of choice in online tournaments nowadays that ensures fairness and a good amount of matches. It should look like this:








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posted November 01, 2016 01:27 PM
Edited by Tiptoe_McGuffy at 13:28, 01 Nov 2016.

Elvin said:


You can freely choose factions or play random. Mirror matches are not recommended due to extreme randomness, especially sylvan and dungeon!



I'm just curious, what about them is more unpredictable? I would imagine an Academy mirror to be most chaotic.

P.S. Sorry I can't participate, would love to but I don't have a computer that plays TotE at college.

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posted November 01, 2016 02:59 PM

All mirror games are chaotic When you face the exact same units with the exact same initiative, that random starting 0-25% atb can be a serious pain in the @ss. Especially when you can reach the other(with or without tactics) and you can deal a lot of damage or have a weak defense. Same is true when both are capable of powerful first turn destructive magic. And then there's dungeon that features all those. Madness!!



That's a good idea stevie. I had used such a format in the toh tourney and it had worked pretty alright. Typically temple tourneys had an elimination format but everyone vs everyone would be more satisfying
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The_Green_Drag
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posted November 01, 2016 04:22 PM

So what we need is the version 3.1 mod in the heroes 5 workshop, the one that gives heroes? Then download your map?

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What if Elvin was female?
posted November 01, 2016 04:51 PM
Edited by Elvin at 16:52, 01 Nov 2016.

No mods required, just the map and tote patched to 3.1 version. The map will probably receive another update before the matches begin.
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posted November 01, 2016 06:38 PM

Oh I gotcha. So then now I just need game ranger and I'm good to go. Btw I work Friday and all weekend so I'll have to play around that schedule.

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What if Elvin was female?
posted November 01, 2016 11:30 PM
Edited by Elvin at 23:31, 01 Nov 2016.

If we're gonna have everyone vs everyone, obviously the deadline would have to be tweaked. Two weeks is probably fair for 5 participants but we'll see how that goes.

Some changes to come!

HAVEN

Haven is lacking in mana and spellpower so 1) benediction now unlocks intelligence(+30% mana) which has been renamed to spirituality for aesthetic reasons 2) benediction also unlocks twilight in light magic which should take care of the spellpower issues.

FORTRESS

Phoenix cape turned out too much so I decided to introduce a seer hut that offers a +2sp ring for 5k gold. It's like getting lucky with sp arties in the artifact merchants and you still get to pay for it.

MAGIC STATS

To avoid stat overkills, secrets of destruction and arcane brilliance have been removed from wisdom tree. Now it only unlocks swift mind. Also total gold has been decreased by 4k which normally means 1 less minor artifact.

Some spell mastery adjustments for unit spellcasters like runepriests and archmages.

Some good looking basic units have gotten an upgrade's stats and abilities in case you want to play them with a different skin. No gameplay difference, just more visual variety For instance basic hunter is the same as master hunter, druid is like high druid, unicorn like silver unicorn, green dragon like emerald dragon, thane is like thunder thane, brawler is like battlerager, rune priest like rune patriarch, shaman is like earth daughter, slayer is like executioner, dark raider is like grim raider and bone dragon is like spectral dragon.

In contrast, haven basic archer and priest and inferno basic succubus are equal in power with their upgrades and can be considered as an extra alternative upgrade. No need to memorize that though, haven and inferno area has an informative sign.
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posted November 02, 2016 07:25 AM
Edited by Stevie at 07:26, 02 Nov 2016.

If Elvin joins we'd need 1 more for 8 man I believe, if not we could just stick with 6.

Anyway, can we have an exhaustive ruleset and schedule soon? I want to know if I have to play random or select a faction, how much time is allowed to play a round, what happens if someone disconnects, stuff like that.
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zaio-baio
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posted November 02, 2016 11:15 AM

@ Elvin
What about making a map with no unit/spell/skill changes whatsoever ?
Just give + gold and mb some arts to the underdog in the bad matchups ?

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posted November 02, 2016 11:36 AM
Edited by Elvin at 11:50, 02 Nov 2016.

Stevie said:
If Elvin joins we'd need 1 more for 8 man I believe, if not we could just stick with 6.

Anyway, can we have an exhaustive ruleset and schedule soon? I want to know if I have to play random or select a faction, how much time is allowed to play a round, what happens if someone disconnects, stuff like that.

Round 1 Deadline: Subject to change depending on last moment joiners. Right now, a duration of 04-20 November should be more than enough.

Faction: Mutual agreement with your opponent. Selected or random is fine with me.

Terrain: Players should pick a terrain that is non-native for both because native terrain gives +1 attack and +1 defense.

Match Arrangements: In the past there have been incidents of players claiming not to find their opponent on msn/skype/chat, while their opponent said they were not absent. To avoid such misunderstandings, please post your challenges here for all to see.

Disconnections/Crashes/Reloads: First off, we play with simultaneous turns and autosave to save time. Two autosaves are required(both players end turn), one when the game begins and when one of the players is ready. If you want more safety, one more save right before the battle in case someone forgets to buy warmachines, learn spells, set up racial or visit the magic well.

- If someone does forget one of those and realizes the moment the battle starts, he may reload.

- If the battle has started and there is a d/c or crash, you'll have to replay 1) Battle should take place at the exact same spot on the map 2) creature placement will have to be the same 3) both players should make the exact same moves(creature or hero actions). Keeping a replay can help. If the above circumstances are not met, the obstacles, luck/morale rolls and order of initiative will be different.

- If you cannot replay exactly, the two players can agree to have the battle on a different spot. That would reset initiative, luck/morale rolls and obstacles, resulting in a different battle. If the battle was in endgame when it was interrupted and the players agree on the outcome, you may not replay. I can help with the evaluating of the replay.

zaio-baio said:
@ Elvin
What about making a map with no unit/spell/skill changes whatsoever ?
Just give + gold and mb some arts to the underdog in the bad matchups ?

I am not interested in making such a version. That would be a downgrade with fewer viable builds and/or creature upgrades. There is also no way to restrict underdog bonuses from being used in favourable matchups.
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posted November 02, 2016 11:54 AM
Edited by Stevie at 12:00, 02 Nov 2016.

Sounds good. I have one suggestion though.

Elvin said:
Faction: Mutual agreement with your opponent. Selected or random is fine with me.


I think participants should select a "main" faction for themselves, which should be the one they prefer to play with. In the round-robin best of 1s, both players battle with their main faction. In the best of 3s of the double-elimination phase, the first match is random for both, the loser gets to select his main faction in the second one while the winner randoms once more, if it goes the distance then both play the decider with their main factions. Would that be a good idea?
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posted November 02, 2016 12:08 PM

Why? If one wants to play a different faction he should have no restrictions at any point in the tourney. Same if one is only familiar with one faction only, no point in making him change.

Basically, pick as you wish and face the consequences
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posted November 02, 2016 12:26 PM

So if what if someone decides to spam one faction for the entire tournament? I'd surely spam Necro all the time because that's in my comfort zone and knowing the faction in and out gives me a competitive edge. But wouldn't that just be totally boring for everyone else and the replays? I figured that a format where you have to random at least once or twice would be more fun.

But you're the organizer, I'll go along with whatever you decide, it was only a suggestion after all.
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posted November 02, 2016 12:47 PM
Edited by Elvin at 12:48, 02 Nov 2016.

This tourney is not for me and besides we're all friendly reasonable guys that just want to enjoy a game of heroes. If someone has an issue with a specific build or faction, I'm sure we can work it out.

I know that online competitive play can turn out ugly if left unchecked but this is just us and I hope everyone here feels the same. To be honest I even feel funny to lay all those rules for a friendly tourney but it's for the best to be clear.
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posted November 02, 2016 02:48 PM
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