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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Ideas and Suggestions This Popular Thread is 189 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 40 80 120 160 ... 185 186 187 188 189 · «PREV
timmysoboy
timmysoboy


Hired Hero
posted May 03, 2022 04:40 AM

Alright, coming a bit from left field here, but:

One of the major weaknesses of Eagle Eye is that it's only used against the player, which is too little too late.

Here's my fix: Eagle Eye should also work on creatures - pick up haste from genes, resurrections from AAs.

That's still not overly useful, so you'd also have to add spells for all creature abilities, like getting poison from wivs and binding from dendroids.

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random_punk
random_punk

Tavern Dweller
posted June 01, 2022 09:19 AM
Edited by random_punk at 09:51, 01 Jun 2022.

My thoughts after playing it quite a lot.

1. Reduce Haspid attack by 2, 3 points OR cut the poison chance by between 3 to 5 percent points.
2. Give back Resistance to heroes who had it originally. I don't mind Interference, but I like my Resistance chumps.
3. Remove RMGs(currently default) "Join only for money" flag
   a) OR give it only to half of creatures(randomly)
   b) OR set it only for creatures of levels 5 and above
   c) OR give it 50/50 chance for creatures below L5 and set it by default for L5 and above.
4. Make new score formula transparent. There's no publicly available formula available at the time of writing this post.
5. Reduce Nympth/Oceanid attack by 1.
6. Reduce Sea Dog Accurate Shot formula chance and number of auto killed to 1/40.
7. Give 85% chance to cast Advanced Weakness/Disrupting Ray for Sorceress' instead of every hit.
8. Release Forge in v1.7 as planned, push campaign to v1.8. It's going to be badly balanced and broken just like Cove, give it time to breathe first.
9. Add mines to Object Rules in RMG Template Editor.
10. Add "Cosmetic" water setting to RMG. Water tiles uses for zone separation like trees and mountains. Have Navigation still disabled on those maps.

Sorry, but pirates can't be a top tier town like Castle, which basically fights transmetacosmic alien demon space monsters. It should be Stronghold/Fortress lovable redneck tier town.

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NimoStar
NimoStar


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Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
posted June 01, 2022 11:29 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 23:30, 01 Jun 2022.

I think very town should be balanced and Fortress still given a buff. it's specially heinous thatthey have no special town mechanics (either exclusive skill or special building). However you actually missed the one Cove creature which is proven to be OP, the Ayssid.

Ayssids are not only exceptionally fast flyiers, but they are also reslient AF. It was proven that equal number of Ayssids can kill an equal stack of Crusaders (say, 1000 vs 1000). while being very fast (speed 11) flyers. Take into account this doesn't even count they could outrun and outwait crusders, as well as basically every other level 4 creature (including Vampire Lords, speed 9) to have an easy win. And they cost over 33% less than vampire lords.
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted June 01, 2022 11:55 PM

Personally I don't like Sea Dogs Accurate Shot ability, maybe even Sea Dogs in general.

But almost all of Coves creatures are more or less OP. (So is Castle units and Vampire Lords of course.)

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NimoStar
NimoStar


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Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
posted June 02, 2022 02:18 AM

Well, that could be true.

I was just pointing out Ayssids are significantly better than even the otherwise considered best level 4 units.

On the other hand, this is also true for Sea Dogs and level 3 units, and they are probably able to beat all of them much as Ayssids beat all level 4's. But the thing is Aysids weren't mentioned in the previous post, and unlike Sea Dogs, they are even cheap and relatively easier to get.
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted June 02, 2022 07:24 AM

You are definitely right about Ayssids too, they even have the highest growth (11) of all level 4 units.

What about Nix Warriors, they are the ultimate tanks.

Or Sea Witches PERMANENTLY able to remove defense. (Especially insane when split into a few stacks.)

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random_punk
random_punk

Tavern Dweller
posted June 02, 2022 10:48 PM

I actually don't mind Ayssids. Could be more expensive, sure, but I've got no criticism other than that.

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NimoStar
NimoStar


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posted June 04, 2022 07:04 AM

Well I do and I articulated it over beating all other creatures of same level.

I think some of these creatures culd be OK if they had more weaknesses.

At least Sorceress and Sea Dogs have downsides. Sorceress is fragile while Sea Dog is expensive to get and recruit.

Nix are very tanky and perhaps should be slower (actually no Cove creature is slow enouh that you don't want to take it...) but other than that, it's not the same as a double-attacking, resilient and cost-effective fast flying unit (only one of its kind).

Ayssids owever have no downsides whatsoever.
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NimoStar
NimoStar


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Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
posted June 04, 2022 07:05 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 07:11, 04 Jun 2022.

Well I do and I articulated it over beating all other creatures of same level.

I think some of these creatures culd be OK if they had more weaknesses.

At least Sorceress and Sea Dogs have downsides. Sorceress is fragile while Sea Dog is expensive to get and recruit.

Nix are very tanky and perhaps should be slower (actually no Cove creature is slow enouh that you don't want to take it...) but other than that, it's not the same as a double-attacking, resilient and cost-effective fast flying unit (only one of its kind).

That is to say Ayssids have no downsides whatsoever. As phoenix even pointed, not only do they already beat all other creatures up to their level in one on one combat, but you also get even more of them.

Haspid is also OP. It can kill Ancient Behemoth, Titan and Archangel in 1-to-1 combat https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Sea_Serpent_and_Haspid. Unlike Titan and Archangel they don't cost 5000 gold. And that is before the part of dead aspids because of revenge ability increase damage of a stack, and without counting the poison...
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fakesmile
fakesmile

Tavern Dweller
posted June 15, 2022 06:33 PM
Edited by fakesmile at 18:34, 15 Jun 2022.

Titan's Lightning Bolt to counter PDF

Hi all!

If Titan's Lightning Bolt scaled with power or air magic a little bit it would be an amazing counter to Power of the Dragon Father lore-wise. (Also would not be considered as much of a trash and have a bit more utility than just giving you a spell book)
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LouWeed
LouWeed


Adventuring Hero
posted June 22, 2022 06:16 AM

Here's my suggestions for new skills to replace a couple of existing ones that aren't very good:

Earning
Basic Earning: when this hero is garrisoned in a town, the town's daily income is increased by +50%

Advanced Earning: when this hero is garrisoned in a town, the town's daily income is increased by +100%

Expert Earning: when this hero is garrisoned in a town, the town's daily income is increased by +200%

Legal Eye
Basic Legal Eye: when this hero is defeated in combat, they sue for damages and their faction is awarded 2500 gold + 100% of the cost of the army that was lost

Advanced Legal Eye: when this hero is defeated in combat, they sue for damages and their faction is awarded 2500 gold + 100% of the cost of the army that was lost, and the victorious army loses their movement points for the current turn (because they are detained for questioning)

Expert Legal Eye: when this hero is defeated in combat, they sue for damages; their faction is awarded 2500 gold + 100% of the cost of the army that was lost, and the victorious army loses their movement points for the current turn, as well  their weakest stack (because they go to jail)

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted June 22, 2022 08:51 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 08:58, 22 Jun 2022.

NimoStar said:
Well, that could be true.

I was just pointing out Ayssids are significantly better than even the otherwise considered best level 4 units.


Ayssids' full (boosted) population outdamages ALL tier5 units and most tier6 units. So yeah, it is hilariously powerful for a fast flying unit. This of course assumes double attack, but that's pretty much a given outside early week vs. tier 7s.


Either way, it would be pretty fun if they finally moved Slow from Earth to Water. Two birds with one stone: makes Earth less mandatory, makes Water desireable. That is probably the simplest way to rebalance schools of magic. Moving DD to Fire (so that all schools have a mobility adventure spell) and introducing a proper Level 5 water spell (Blizzard plx) would straighten things up further. I don't think you really need that much attention here to fix the problem, just move the outliers around.
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purerogue
purerogue


Known Hero
posted June 22, 2022 04:17 PM

LouWeed said:
EarningLegal Eye
Expert Legal Eye: when this hero is defeated in combat, they sue for damages; their faction is awarded 2500 gold + 100% of the cost of the army that was lost, and the victorious army loses their movement points for the current turn, as well  their weakest stack (because they go to jail)



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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted June 22, 2022 04:53 PM

People just forget multiplayer reality. Such hero would be a nuclear bomb : wait enemy main hero to be in range, you send hero with trash units to surrender, then you recruit again, send again next turn - as the winner has no movement points, repeat. Weakest stack lost then weakest stack lost again, then repeat until all stacks are gone, win game.

Not to mention the ridiculous penalty cost, 2500 gold every time, even if he had  only one stack with one creature when defeated. That's how you break a game.
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louweed
louweed


Adventuring Hero
posted June 22, 2022 09:19 PM

I mean, it was just a joke

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theSilent
theSilent


Hired Hero
posted June 24, 2022 07:30 AM

I translated "Factory" faction into Chinese: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/518857214
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