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Gandalf196
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posted October 20, 2021 01:42 AM

Amish COVID -- Full Measure

The amish reached herd immunity. Yep, that's right, those "flat-earthers"/"science-deniers" beat the enlightened global establishment. Let that sink in.

https://rumble.com/vnpfkd-amish-covid-full-measure.html
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Elvin
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posted October 20, 2021 12:02 PM

The Amish? Did these guys even learn that there is a covid outbreak, much less come in contact with it?
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Gandalf196
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posted October 20, 2021 01:10 PM

Watch the video
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted October 20, 2021 02:46 PM

Did they really?
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Gandalf196
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posted October 20, 2021 03:08 PM

OmegaDestroyer said:
Did they really?


"False. Amish communities have not been unaffected by the COVID-19 pandemic."

That's not what the video depicts at all. They reached herd immunity without surrendering their rights and freedom to a misguided and ultimately evil global medical tyranny.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 20, 2021 07:14 PM

They did surrender their rights and freedom a long time ago, considering the lockdown they are living in regularly and due to their "religious beliefs".
And "the evil medical global tyranny" - you know what I believe?
I think that there are a lot of people who actually crap their pants at the idea of getting a shot, not to mention a shot with some kind of disease when they are perfectly healthy. You know, drink moonshine in quantity, pop pills no matter what - but A SHOT???


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posted October 20, 2021 08:20 PM

JollyJoker said:
They did surrender their rights and freedom a long time ago, considering the lockdown they are living in regularly and due to their "religious beliefs".

I love this

Ok they got mass infected and got immunity. How many of them died?

Whatever the number, I bet the percentage will be less than in an urban area where people live less healthy and have less exercise.
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posted October 20, 2021 10:38 PM

JollyJoker said:
They did surrender their rights and freedom a long time ago, considering the lockdown they are living in regularly and due to their "religious beliefs".


Nah. They had rights and freedom to make a lifestyle choice. They are committed to upholding their way of living because they want to, not because someone's forcing them. So the negative spin is simply not at all accurate and betrays an unnecessary attitude of derision towards Amish people. That is not very broad-minded to say the least . (Wait, weren't you very socialist-oriented? Why not treat this specific group with the same level of scrutiny? Is it because you are biased against religious people?)

In fact, if you think in the context of this pandemic, you and I and city folk in general have become less free because of the restrictions imposed on us. You want to go to a store to buy daily bread? Wear a mask and / or take other safety measures. It's that or starvation. Office and in-doors activities? Same deal. But Amish people don't care about such things. Their lands, their stores, their produce, their rules. They're self-reliant and living like they always have, unaffected by the pandemic. So it's a bit funny that you see it the other way around.


On the topic now, what's there to debate honestly? Is the idea that groups eventually develop immunity to a virus so outlandish that it deserves a lot of suspicion? That's just the inevitable outcome. The Amish being among the first ones is not really a stretch of the imagination given their lifestyle. I can definitely see it happening.
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posted October 20, 2021 10:58 PM
Edited by JollyJoker at 22:59, 20 Oct 2021.

Stevie said:
Is it because you are biased against religious people?)

Actually I treat all delusional people the same.

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Gandalf196
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posted October 20, 2021 11:02 PM

JollyJoker said:
Stevie said:
Is it because you are biased against religious people?)

Actually I treat all delusional people the same.


Even the so called "transgender people" ?


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posted October 20, 2021 11:09 PM
Edited by NimoStar at 23:16, 20 Oct 2021.

Well, if you want to know, I consider myself a social anarchist and believe Amish are both healthier and freer as a society than modern city.

Amish are ruled by an elder council of people that will be known and respected by the community.

Elders don't have paid enforcers; the only weight of their law is people being willing to follow it as a conscious choice.

Modern urban life is ruled by unelected billionaries, and people are coerced into compliance by enormous state apparatuses with riot police as draconian enforcers with full lethal, nearly unaccountable capabilities.

Politicians are powerless figureheads. Policy is controlled by interest groups https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig.

A few people have absolute control over large swaths of like. Amazon aspires at controlling the global distribution chain. Microsoft controls the PC system market. Facebook controls social media and messaging. Google controls ads and searchs. You can see most information markets are natural monopolies.

So, Amish are much more democratic and have freer lives than modern "citizens".

So, who is more delusional? The one that believes in God but is communal and self reliant, or the one that believes in the system that oppresses them and destroys humanity and the biosphere?
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posted October 21, 2021 03:24 AM

Gandalf196 said:
surrendering their rights and freedom to a misguided and ultimately evil global medical tyranny.


You, as a human being, are much more complex than such theory. Do you really think reality is less complex than you?
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 21, 2021 07:31 AM

Conspiracy theories in 2020:
- Covid passports.  
- Medical apartheid.  
- Banned from leaving countries.  
No work without covid passport.  

- Reality in 2021:
- Covid passports.  
- Medical apartheid.  
- Banned from leaving countries.  
- No work without a covid passport


But there's nothing to worry about, it's only for a short time until we "flatten the curve" or something, yeah.

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Elvin
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posted October 21, 2021 08:32 AM

Well anyone who believes that things will magically go back to how they used to been soon after covid is eliminated(haha..), they need a reality check. The damage done to the economy and all the other side effects will take a long while to recover. That is a given.

I am curious what the toll on the Amish was though.

I know people that caught it, some of them literally suffered and some died. Of which, some had pre-existing conditions and others did not. It's a mixed yarn. Given what I've seen, letting covid run rampart would have been highly irresponsible. That doesn't mean I agree with the measures taken..
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posted October 21, 2021 08:32 AM

Gandalf196 said:
JollyJoker said:
Stevie said:
Is it because you are biased against religious people?)

Actually I treat all delusional people the same.


Even the so called "transgender people" ?




Repair woman, postwoman, matrilineality



Are you muslim?

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JollyJoker
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posted October 21, 2021 08:47 AM

NimoStar said:
Well, if you want to know, I consider myself a social anarchist and believe Amish are both healthier and freer as a society than modern city.

Freedom is a state of mind. People who base their life on assumptions made about what hypothetical beings want or not want are not free - and to their credit are full well knowing they are not free (but completely in the hands of said hypothetical being).
Of course NO ONE is really free in the sense of the word and most people are in some way delusional, believing some weird nonsense or praying to facebook or the webgods or whatever - but there is no difference. Whether you believe in some old jewish god or some equally old chaos goddess or that we are controlled by aliens doesn't make a difference.

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Gandalf196
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posted October 21, 2021 12:08 PM

Galaad said:
Gandalf196 said:
surrendering their rights and freedom to a misguided and ultimately evil global medical tyranny.


You, as a human being, are much more complex than such theory. Do you really think reality is less complex than you?


Maybe that sounds good (and reasonable) in French - I could not grasp the spirit of your rebuttal.
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Gandalf196
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posted October 21, 2021 12:14 PM

Drakon-Deus said:
Conspiracy theories in 2020:
- Covid passports.  
- Medical apartheid.  
- Banned from leaving countries.  
No work without covid passport.  

- Reality in 2021:
- Covid passports.  
- Medical apartheid.  
- Banned from leaving countries.  
- No work without a covid passport


But there's nothing to worry about, it's only for a short time until we "flatten the curve" or something, yeah.


So much this. We've moved to the point conspiracy theories and real world policies are just six months apart.
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FirePaladin
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posted October 21, 2021 12:21 PM

I totally agree with that. But it's so messed up that people would rather brush it off and continue to live in their fake "care" for others and accept literally whatever bs leaders would feed them with.

And I bet next is gonna be another dose of copium-induced replies to gandalf and me. Each time I visit this place the r****d takes are getting even worse (inb4 someone nitpicks it and makes it sound like I called Drakon-deus's or gandalf's replies here like that, just like the usual).
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JollyJoker
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posted October 21, 2021 12:31 PM

As I said - watch Britain, follow closely what happens there.

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I think that there are a lot of people who actually crap their pants at the idea of getting a shot, not to mention a shot with some kind of disease when they are perfectly healthy. You know, drink moonshine in quantity, pop pills no matter what - but A SHOT???



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