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Salamandre
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posted October 14, 2023 10:27 PM |
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Make your own forum then ban everyone so you're happy. There is no point to debate with someones barking at first contradiction, you are not holding the truth, just your opinions.
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Doomforge
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posted October 14, 2023 10:42 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Make your own forum then ban everyone so you're happy.
Where did THAT come from...?
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There is no point to debate with someones barking at first contradiction, you are not holding the truth, just your opinions.
Facts are not opinions.
The only fact you constantly refuse to acknowledge is that a sovereign country was invaded by an imperialistic neighbour.
I don't even get why are you arguing. It's rather obvious and not open for debate.
There's plenty of things to have an opinion about, but this isn't the case.
Also, what "contradiction", lol
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gatecrasher
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posted October 14, 2023 10:59 PM |
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Doomforge said:
What about the German civilians, though? Would you kick them out of, let's say, Saar territory?
Well, yes, that is what happens if you start a war and lose it. At least it is the way how it was handled in the past. Look at East Prussia, Farther Pomerania and Silesia.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 15, 2023 12:00 AM |
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For the umptieth time, Jews were settling in Palestina since the 1880s. Also, you wouldn't want to start a new state on top of the concentration camps your people were slaughtered.
Wouldn't have happened.
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posted October 15, 2023 12:26 AM |
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Why do the arabs disagree? The Jewish state had never become independent over 2600 years.. But 1948.. And Palestine becomes homeless in some day.. Fact!
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Doomforge
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posted October 15, 2023 12:30 AM |
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gatecrasher said:
Well, yes, that is what happens if you start a war and lose it.
I'm not sure with this one.
There's plenty of collateral damage with this sort of stuff: people that did not support Nazi Germany or even opposed it would get rekt for no apparent reason, lose their homes and would have to start from scratch.
Next, we're placing the victims right next to the oppressors, with just a border in between. That is bound to create tensions, maybe even wars.
If the botox-loving clown lost the War, would it be fair to make Russia lose, say, Belgorod Oblast and to drive out Russians from there? I don't think so. I don't think civilians should pay for the sins of their leaders.
Politicians should take the fall, every damn time. If they weren't so above it all and safe from consequences, perhaps they would think twice about going to war.
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gatecrasher
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posted October 15, 2023 02:05 AM |
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Doomforge said:
There's plenty of collateral damage with this sort of stuff: people that did not support Nazi Germany or even opposed it would get rekt for no apparent reason, lose their homes and would have to start from scratch.
IMO that's pretty small of a collateral damage after all those massacres, Holocaust and WW2.
Translocations like those aren't usual anymore today (in the "Western hemisphere" that is) but then again let's hope we won't experience anything remotely similar to WW2/Holocaust.
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Wouldn't have happened.
Yes but first and foremost that's because the Saar territory was under french administration back then.
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posted October 15, 2023 11:05 AM |
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Edited by Ben80 at 11:24, 15 Oct 2023.
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Yesterday, Moldovan President Sandu called Russia the main threat to Moldova’s national security.
Today, Prime Minister of Moldova Rechan appealed to Russia with a request to help with the evacuation of Moldovan citizens from Israel.
And this is how all European countries behave towards Russia (especially the Eastern European quasi-states). According to the principle: give me something to eat, otherwise I has nothing to snow at your door.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 15, 2023 12:28 PM |
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gatecrasher said:
JollyJoker said:
Wouldn't have happened.
Yes but first and foremost that's because the Saar territory was under french administration back then.
It wouldn't have happened because
1) It would have been forced relocation (of the people living there AND the Jews living already in Palestine), which is against the UN regulations (as is pointed out when it comes to the Palestinians).
2) Because the Jews were already well on their way to Palestine, starting in the 1880s an then with a vengeance from 1936 onwards, when the crap really hit the fan in Germany for them.
3) Because no Jew would have wanted to form a state directly on or near the concentration camps.
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posted October 15, 2023 07:35 PM |
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Israel is a settler state. It doesn't have "right to exist", only people have right to exist, not states.
On the background this is part of the "Great Game" Between China/Russia/Iran and the Collective West
World War 1 was fought in trenches, World War II was fought with tanks, World War III is fought by proxies.
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Ben80
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posted October 15, 2023 07:42 PM |
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NimoStar said:
World War 1 was fought in trenches, World War II was fought with tanks, World War III is fought by proxies.
The Third World War is already in full swing, I agree here.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 15, 2023 08:15 PM |
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NimoStar said:
Israel is a settler state. It doesn't have "right to exist", only people have right to exist, not states.
You got that completely wrong.
"Rights" are nothing god- or nature-granted, but something that is agreed by. Human rights are god-granted only if you believe in god and the narrative. If you don't - which, incidentally is a human right - well, I suppose you get the drift.
So there are no rights to exist other than those everyone agrees about by treaty or declaration, whether we talk about people or states.
Consequently, Israel WANTS everyone to agree to THEIR right to exist. Which isn't happening, obviously. And as obviuously no one can be forced or is somehow bound to accept that. But on the other hand, since Israel DOES exist and WANTS to exist further, Israel cannot be forced to agree to anything with people or entities that do NOT accept their right to exist. It may play a role that it would be utterly pointless to do so.
Clear?
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gatecrasher
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posted October 15, 2023 11:18 PM |
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Ben80 said:
Stay with your senseless hatred.
You lecturing on hatred? You want your interlocutors to respect your heroes?
The same person who blanketly calls millions of people "Nazi"/"fascist", "cruel towards competitors", blanketly accuses millions of people of considering themselves sacrosanct and incorrigible.
Yeah, that figures. High time to see a doctor.
Here comes Ben80's personal wall of hate speech (only taken from this thread).
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Hitler and the 3rd Reich are a natural manifestation of the essence of the West.
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the usual Western hypocrisy and racism/fascism
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Today they impose sodomy, bestiality and other mental illnesses. What they will do to poor people tomorrow is unknown.
In fact, ordinary Westerners are now the most unhappy people on Earth (the only unhappiest are those who do not have the most basic things - food, water).
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All atrocities are committed by the Nazi Ukrainian regime and their collaborators - the West.
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Ukrainian nazi-maniacs
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and he, like all Europeans, will always consider himself a saint.
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in the West there is such a cruel attitude towards competitors
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And this is how all European countries behave
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No, the only ones capable of committing genocide on planet Earth are the Americans and Europeans
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Westerners are constantly telling others how to behave
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Europeans are “humanists” only when someone at war against their allies.
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When the allies of Europe (the West) are at war, any violence is considered justified and even sacred. They say that revenge for desecration is an honor.
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I don't attach much meaning to the term "anti-Semitic".
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And from the short history of the state of Israel we see that Hitler, compared to the Zionists, was an inept student.
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posted October 16, 2023 03:47 AM |
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Quote:
Here comes Ben80's personal wall of hate speech (only taken from this thread).
Denouncing hate isn't hate. You prove him right by saying that ethnic cleansing and genocide are "reasonable answers" for "losing a war"
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gatecrasher
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posted October 16, 2023 07:41 AM |
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Please elaborate for each example given.
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posted October 18, 2023 07:16 AM |
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All those fakes that Ukrainians published about the Russian Armed Forces turned out to be true about the IDF (Israel Defense Forces)...
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posted October 18, 2023 11:21 AM |
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Just for the record, it seems that the supposed hospital attack of Israel has been a fake - one of the rocket salvo fired by the Islamist Djihad went astray and crashed on the parking lot of the hospital,. and Hamas used that to claim Israel killed 500 people in the hospital.
My guess is, that Hamas kidnapped the "hostages" for the purpose of putting them in harms way - maybe masked and restrained - if and when the Israeli troops enter Gaza, to have them mistakenly killed by the Israelis and then gloat about it, "Look at those brutes, killed their own people."
The hate these people feel is just unbelievable.
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Ben80
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posted October 18, 2023 11:40 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Just for the record, it seems that the supposed hospital attack of Israel has been a fake - one of the rocket salvo fired by the Islamist Djihad went astray and crashed on the parking lot of the hospital,. and Hamas used that to claim Israel killed 500 people in the hospital.
My guess is, that Hamas kidnapped the "hostages" for the purpose of putting them in harms way - maybe masked and restrained - if and when the Israeli troops enter Gaza, to have them mistakenly killed by the Israelis and then gloat about it, "Look at those brutes, killed their own people."
The hate these people feel is just unbelievable.
All rocket launches by Palestinian terrorists before did not lead to even one hundredth of such destruction. They most likely don’t even have military explosives, but only industrial ones, which are weaker.
Israel has been captured by irrational, uncontrollable hatred. This is evidenced by recent statements by Israeli officials.
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Salamandre
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posted October 18, 2023 11:41 AM |
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Yes, I see the medias picked their side. There is zero information atm about who bombed the hospital.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 18, 2023 12:08 PM |
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Actually, they didn't yet, while others, like Erdogan, already condemned them (because Hamas said they did it).
However, the Israelis published a video that shows the actual hospital, plus an audio their Secret Service recorded with two Hamas discussing what just happened.
While this needs of course verification, the main news are actually not that "it wasn't Israel", it's that apparently not much happened, as in, the hospital wasn't actually hit by what looks to be an errant rocket of a salvo the terrorist side had fired off 20 seconds before.
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