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Peacemaker
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posted May 17, 2004 10:12 PM |
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Khaelo, I'm sorry but I have to agree. I thought your unedited post was fine and wish you had left it. I suppose I'm the wrong person to ask, but I don't think it was soo much information. And numbness is yet another perfectly legitimate reaction to seeing such a thing.
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posted May 18, 2004 06:41 AM |
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Lews....regarding your post on posted May 16, 2004 04:11 AM ...I don't agree with everything you said, but it was well said and a needed perspective for us to hear.
To another posting....
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"The fact that some of you would willingly choose to watch these videos, tells me you are so detached from your own imagination and the truth about war, is an indication to me that you haven't thought it through."
what a perfectly eloquent judgment so typical of the leftist, liberal, elitist mindset. The rest of the post that followed was more thoughtful...but the quoted sentanced was just incredibly snobbish.
Furthermore to equate the brutal, intentional beheading of an innocent with war indicates that some people's ability to reasonably discriminate a "necessary evil" vs a "vicious evil" to be impaired.
PS Your occupation is pretty cool...best regards in rearing your children...a great thing to give to your children.
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posted May 18, 2004 06:55 AM |
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"when you deem yourself worthy to pay attention to why I was making the point perhaps it might be worth my while discussing it further."
LOL.
I have read your posts...thus I responded....so since you seem to believe you were making some point other then making statments that were completly insensitive and inflamatory to a nation in complete shock and mourning...what was your point other than that?
Peacemaker...I typically think those type of black helicopter theories are sick...moreover how can anyone tell if there is blood with such a poor quality video...but I must admit the video does almost seem surreal if not fake...but then I don't know if that is just my mind wanting it to be fake as the emotional impact is too intense.
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privatehudson
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posted May 18, 2004 12:33 PM |
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what was your point other than that?
You astound me with your inability to see it. I made repeatedly the point that using the video to produce an emotionally justified argument, or to reduce the issue to one of "them and us" was dangerous as it requires a clear defenition of "them" and ensuring that this is not taken across the board against all those who take action against the coallition.
I do hope that this is the last time I have to repeat myself for the benefit of those who don't seem to pay attention the first few times...
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Consis
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posted May 18, 2004 03:28 PM |
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Uplifting Email From My Grandmother
This is an email sent to me from my grandmother. I decided to post it here so that it could brighten some spirits.
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One day a teacher asked her students to list the names of the other students in the room on two sheets of paper, leaving a space between each name.
Then she told them to think of the nicest thing they could say about each of their classmates and write it down.
It took the remainder of the class period to finish their assignment, and as the students left the room, each one handed in the papers.
That Saturday, the teacher wrote down the name of each student on a separate sheet of paper, and listed what everyone else had said about that individual.
On Monday she gave each student his or her list. Before long, the entire class was smiling. "Really?" she heard whispered. "I never knew that I meant anything to anyone!" and, "I didn't know others liked me so much." were most of the comments.
No one ever mentioned those papers in class again. She never knew if they discussed them after class or with their parents, but it didn't matter. The exercise had accomplished its purpose. The students were happy with themselves and one another. That group of students moved on.
Several years later, one of the students was killed in Vietnam and his teacher attended the funeral of that special student. She had never seen a serviceman in a military coffin before. He looked so handsome, so mature.
The church was packed with his friends. One by one those who loved him took a last walk by the coffin. The teacher was the last one to bless the coffin.
As she stood there, one of the soldiers who acted as pallbearer came up to her. "Were you Mark's math teacher?" he asked. She nodded: "yes." Then he said: "Mark talked about you a lot."
After the funeral, most of Mark's former classmates went together to a luncheon. Mark's mother and father were there, obviously waiting to speak with his teacher.
"We want to show you something," his father said, taking a wallet out of his pocket. "They found this on Mark when he was killed. We thought you might recognize it."
Opening the billfold, he carefully removed two worn pieces of notebook paper that had obviously been taped, folded and refolded many times. The teacher knew without looking that the papers were the ones on which she had listed all the good things each of Mark's classmates had said about him.
"Thank you so much for doing that," Mark's mother said. "As you can see, Mark treasured it."
All of Mark's former classmates started to gather around. Charlie smiled rather sheepishly and said, "I still have my list. It's in the top drawer of my desk at home."
Chuck's wife said, "Chuck asked me to put his in our wedding album."
"I have mine too," Marilyn said. "It's in my diary."
Then Vicki, another classmate, reached into her pocketbook, took out her wallet and showed her worn and frazzled list to the group. "I carry this with me at all times," Vicki said and without batting an eyelash, she continued: "I think we all saved our lists."
That's when the teacher finally sat down and cried. She cried for Mark and for all his friends who would never see him again.
The density of people in society is so thick that we forget that life will end one day. And we don't know when that one day will be.
So please, tell the people you love and care for, that they are special and important. Tell them, before it is too late.
And One Way To Accomplish This Is: Forward this message on. If you do not send it, you will have, once again passed up the wonderful opportunity to do something nice and beautiful.
If you've received this, it is because someone cares for you and it means there is probably at least someone for whom you care.
If you're "too busy" to take those few minutes right now to forward this message on, would this be the VERY first time you didn't do that little thing that would make a difference in your relationships?
The more people that you send this to, the better you'll be at reaching out to those you care about
Remember, you reap what you sow. What you put into the lives of others comes back into your own.
I hope this story hope brightens your day or night as it did mine.
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posted May 19, 2004 02:47 AM |
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Serious as a S.O.D.
I have absolutely no intention of participating in this serious discussion, in any way...in any serious way, so here is my contribution, and i quote the late S.O.D.:
EDIT: Portion deleted. Was that really necessary? Next time, think before you type. This is your only warning.
-Wolfman
Maybe i should add that this, of cause, is not my point of view...
Israel should be excluded from the last line of text as they seem incapable of living in peace with anybody...
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted May 19, 2004 05:15 PM |
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Hello new friend. I will not hazard an attempt to recount your name.
Most peoples in the Middle East could come up with a very similar list about western nations as well.
It is precisely this kind of attitude that makes war inevitable.
I should warn you there are people -- real, individual human beings from the region with feelings and reactions and histories probably much more tortuous and terrible than your own -- who share in this discussion board. If you are serious in your post, you are not making things any better by either having that attitude or sharing it with others.
With great freedom comes great responsibility, my friend. Let us all recognize that this include the freedom of speech as well.
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posted May 19, 2004 07:51 PM |
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Peacemaker , why do you even bother?
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted May 20, 2004 05:06 PM |
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melissa_X
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Tiffany Taylor
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posted May 21, 2004 11:10 AM |
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Liberation & Freedom
Quote: ...They were shooting low on the ground and targeting us one by one," she said. She ran with her youngest child in her arms and her two young boys, Ali and Hamza, close behind. As she crossed the fields a shell exploded close to her, fracturing her legs and knocking her to the ground.
She lay there and a second round hit her on the right arm. By then her two boys lay dead. "I left them because they were dead," she said. One, she saw, had been decapitated by a shell.
"I fell into the mud and an American soldier came and kicked me. I pretended to be dead so he wouldn't kill me. My youngest chid was alive next to me."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1221658,00.html
In my opinion the whole Iraqi liberation cause has become a disaster. Every new day in Iraq comes another terrorist recruiters dream. The US is creating so many problems for itself.
I predict one year after the US leave Iraq, the Mullahs will be in power and there will be even more State Sponsored Terrorism.
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted May 21, 2004 05:20 PM |
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My Gaughd Melissa. I hope you are wrong. But I fear you are right.
I can't stand the stories. Every one of those little children is my son and I weep uncontrollably whenever I hear of this. I lose all sense of objectivity, and think, it has to be stopped, at whatever the cost.
It was happening before we got there. We could have helped stop it, not make it worse, I think. If we had done it better, done it right. But I fear that we have bungled things so badly that it is now too late.
I appeal to the Creator daily for the world to prove me wrong about this.
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Wolfman
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posted May 22, 2004 03:34 AM |
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Good news out of Iraq for those ignorant Europeans and Americans alike...
Soldiers get wheelchair for Iraqi girl with Cerebral Palsy
From Lt. Col. Drew Ryan: In July we visited the town of Albu Hassan. Just outside of the Balad, Iraq Airfield, the villagers had suffered tremendously under the Hussain Regime. Their farm fields were taken from them for the airfield, with no compensation, and no jobs forthcoming from the base. The results were evident when we arrived -- rundown, ramshackle structures, inadequate electric, no plumbing, sewer, etc. We took interest in the school, which was likewise rundown and lacked basic necessities such as electric fans (to cool the sweltering 130 degree temperatures during the summer) or heaters to warm the cold mornings in winter, no running water, and virtually no school supplies. And all of this in a mud walled building with a palm thatched roof which birds often nested in. Not a place for education to prosper, and often the children left school after 5th grade because of the conditions, and lack of hope.
We found the money to rebuild the primary school and to build a completely new secondary school, complete with ceiling fans in each room, windows with glass and screens, lights, and new roofing. We watched as the construction progressed throughout the summer and into the fall, and began to deliver small gifts of soccer balls, pens, pencils, notebooks, maps, etc from individuals and groups back at home who would donate small (and some not so small) gifts for the students and the community. We became the "Hope" that Albu Hassan had lacked for so many years... and the teachers looked to us for small things, and we did what we could.
One afternoon we set a small medical evaluation station at the school for the students and local community members. The headmaster, Saghban Farhand Mohammed, asked me if one of the teachers could speak to me. Ms. Imman Habbeb A'acka introduced herself and explained that she is a single mother of two children, and her older child, Saffa, has Cerebral Palsy. Although Saffa was not a student at the school, she wondered if the doctor could evaluate her anyway. Our doctor did and although there was nothing he could do for Saffa, he later suggested that a wheelchair would allow Imman to take her daughter out of the house much more easily. Then the search was on.
Lt. Col. Drew Ryan (left) and Maj. Tony Davis (right) with Saffa and her mother
I contacted many friends back at home but nobody could find a used wheelchair. I then read an article in the Marin (county, CA) Independent Journal, about 3 doctors who were travelling to Baghdad to help re-establish the medical community. I contacted the author of the article who forwarded my note and request for a wheelchair to Dr. Ira Sharlip, one of the doctors who was scheduled to visit. Ira and I began regular email communication, and he was able to obtain a wheelchair from California Pacific Medical Center, through the help of Dr. Martin Brotman, President of the board of directors, and Jack Bailey, the Vice President of Operations.
I have since returned home from Iraq, but they are continuing the great spirit of service to the communities that we established during our year there.
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An amusing anecdote:
From Gary Sinise: "I took a trip to this school with Wayne Newton, Chris Isaak and country singer Neal McCoy. When I walked into the room, the whole class screamed, "Lt. Dan!". This mention of my character in Forrest Gump was very funny. Afterwards, I walked up to Wayne and said, "Well, I guess wherever I go, I'll always be Lt. Dan." Wayne replied with a big grin: "Yeah, Lt. Dan is your Danke Schoen!"
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First shipment in Operation Iraqi Children arrives
The first shipment in Operation Iraqi Children has arrived. Major Doris poses with two of the Iraqi girls who show off the stuffed animals included in their package from the Our Lady of Malibu school.
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Plaque honoring our soldiers at one of the Iraqi schools
"By the Grace of God, and the cooperation between the Free Iraqi People and the Coalition Forces, [school name omitted] has been rebuilt. This school is rededicated on Sept. 30, 2003 for the education of a new generation of Free Iraqi people. May this work stand, under God's Watchful Eyes, as a testament to the hard work and dedication to freedom of Iraq and the Coalition Forces."
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These things are from Gary Sinise's website, supporting aid to Iraqi schools. Something many of you don't realize is happening. This is why pulling out is wrong, these poor kids. What happens to them if we go?
Operation Iraqi Children
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hamsi128
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posted May 22, 2004 05:43 PM |
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Wolfman
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posted May 22, 2004 06:28 PM |
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How did it fail? That link doesn't make any sense.
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Svarog
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posted May 23, 2004 01:08 AM |
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Because when they grow up a bit, they end up snowed in American prisons.
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Wolfman
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posted May 23, 2004 07:32 PM |
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That makes so much sense, I don't know what to do...
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hamsi128
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posted May 23, 2004 09:41 PM |
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That makes so much sense, I don't know what to do...
dont vote for bush next election... this is all you have to do 
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Wolfman
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posted May 23, 2004 09:44 PM |
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I can't vote 
But I would definatly vote for Bush if I could.
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hamsi128
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posted May 23, 2004 10:14 PM |
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I can't vote
case closed .
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soldier3106
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posted May 27, 2004 02:56 PM |
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irak
america shoeld never have attacked irak
they still didnt find any weapons
and thousands of poeple died
posted by soldier 3106
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