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redhawk
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posted May 29, 2004 03:38 AM |
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soldier 3106, take your blinders off and think back a decade or so. then again your probably not old enough to remember the bullsnow in the late 80's/ early 90's. all of the wmds' as people seam to call them are still out there, just have to find them. Most likely syria, or china.
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dArGOn
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posted May 30, 2004 07:30 AM |
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"I can't stand the stories."
It saddens me to know that so many otherwise well educated people don't see the mainstream media for what it is. What they report is incredibly onesided and focuses on misery...cause misery sells...plus the media's own liberal bias.
I would encourage people to read inbetween the lines and look at Iraq as a whole not just what the biased press wants you to look at. Branch out, expand your horizons...read something other then the regular propaganda...eyes will be opened to say the least.
One case and point is the abuse of Iraqi prisoners. In all it appears to be about 20 or less individuals out of 135,000 US soilders...so while the abusers need to be punished...remember we are talking about something like .0001 percent of the armed services...but read the news and you'd think it was 90% of the soilders commiting crimes against Iraqis.
The "horrible" uprisings are another case and point...a few thousand radicals in a country of over 22 million....do the math.
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dArGOn
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posted May 30, 2004 07:40 AM |
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"Every new day in Iraq comes another terrorist recruiters dream. The US is creating so many problems for itself."
Hmmm so what exactly led to the slaughter of 3000 innocent Americans on 9/11? Was it that Clinton bombed innocents at an aspirin factory in which Clinton said OBL was located? Or was it when Clinton enforced the "no fly zone" and launced Operatin Desert Fox?
I guess if we use that kind of logic then we would have to say that Clinton's actions caused a climate in which terrorists were recruited and enraged leading to 9/11.
Personally I think that is faulty thinking to say the least....it is part of the "Blame America First" mentality and absolves the terrorists of responsibility.
Terrorists hate us...they hate jews...they hate freedom...you cannot appease...you can not negotiate...they will kill us not becuase of what we may or may not do...but simply because of who we are.
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Peacemaker
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posted May 30, 2004 05:46 PM |
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dArGOn --Quote:
It saddens me to know that so many otherwise well educated people don't see the mainstream media for what it is. What they report is incredibly onesided and focuses on misery...cause misery sells...plus the media's own liberal bias...
... read the news and you'd think it was 90% of the soilders commiting crimes against Iraqis.
I defy you to give us one example of how "our liberal media" has misrepresented the number of MP's engaged in the activity in question.
Perhaps this is an example of how the bias you perceive in "our liberal media" is more a figment of your imagination, of your own conservative bias, than a reality. 
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Wolfman
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posted May 30, 2004 05:56 PM |
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Have they reported the schools opening? The hospitals? Have they reported any of the good things coming out of Iraq? No, they don't, they focus on the misery like dArGOn said.
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posted May 30, 2004 05:59 PM |
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Wolf -- first of all -- hey! You're still here! Good morning my friend! 
Second of all -- if those things were not being reported then where did you get those stories you posted?
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Wolfman
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posted May 30, 2004 06:05 PM |
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My own reporting...I don't stick to the mainstream media, I look up facts for myself.
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posted May 30, 2004 06:08 PM |
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Ah hah! Point taken.
Seriously though, if dArGOn wanted to point out a liberal bias in the media he picked a lousy subject to do it with.
So do tell -- can you reveal your sources?
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Wolfman
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posted May 30, 2004 06:19 PM |
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Of course not, a good reporter doesn't reveal sources, right? 
Plus, some others may say it's all propaganda anyway.
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Aquaman333
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posted June 19, 2004 05:22 AM |
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Well, this isn't a very good subject to reveal the liberal bias in the media, but there shouldn't really need to be a subject. Unless it's Scarborough or Savage then there's going to be a liberal bias. Unless your totally blind...
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posted June 19, 2004 09:33 AM |
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The conservative bias in all of the US, including the media, is so strong, that they donīt even have a socialist or social-democrat party.
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posted June 19, 2004 06:51 PM |
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I think McCarthy had more to do with the absence of a socialist party than anything else did. He put the fear of god into people with his not-so-cute little witch hunt a few decades back.
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Wolfman
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posted June 19, 2004 08:30 PM |
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Even though McCarthy didn't have any proof, I'm sure he was right to some degree. Who knows, his little witch hunt may have stopped some Communist plot. You never know...
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privatehudson
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posted June 19, 2004 08:50 PM |
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Just like the inqisition really found some nasty heathens too...
Witchunting people and demonising the enemy beyond any sense and logic isn't my idea of the ends justifying the means.
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posted June 19, 2004 08:59 PM |
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I would have to agree with PH on this one. The First Amendment means nothing if one cannot express their political opinions and join whatever political party they wish. It was just way over the top.
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Wolfman
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posted June 19, 2004 09:19 PM |
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McCarthy said there were Communists in the upper levels of government, I'm sure there were to some degree making McCarthy right. He took it way too far, but he was still right to some degree.
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posted June 19, 2004 09:31 PM |
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I see McCarthy and his actions like an equivalent to the political prosecutions done by all Communist governments. The whole pirsuit worked in much the same way as KGB controlled the Soviet political scene.
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posted June 19, 2004 09:39 PM |
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Exactly. Presumably the whole gripe about Communism was its oppressiveness and engaging in precisely the same types of "cleansing" as McCarthy himself did. It was just one of the wierdest things that has ever happened in this country -- at least out in the open like that. Completely, thoroughly hypocritical and convoluted.
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privatehudson
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posted June 19, 2004 10:18 PM |
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Well said Svarog and PM. Dismissing, demonising and attacking people for daring to have the a set of political ideals that don't match the enemies in anything but name realistically is pointless.
Like I said, I find it hard to see how anyone can justify a witchunt and those wrongly persecuted and accused on the basis that some "enemies" might have been caught. That's the attitude of Stalin and Hitler and dictatorships, not democracies.
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Wolfman
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posted June 20, 2004 07:43 AM |
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It's all relative...
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