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posted July 14, 2004 05:22 PM |
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Wolfman,
Sorry my friend but I agree with PrivateHudson. That was going to be my response but then I didn't think it would have been on topic. Then I remembered the habits of this thread. As I was about to post I noticed PrivateHudson beat me to the response. Thanks 
But yeah, I disagree with you Wolfman and agree with PrivateHudson. And as he questioned, the KKK was not eradicated, simply effectively removed from being a political force of recognition. Nowadays they're nothing more than a right-wing hate-group associated with the Confederate flag. They don't have the numbers they once had and mostly everyone ignores them(except on Jerry Springer).
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posted July 18, 2004 04:01 AM |
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Consis, email me some information on what Hoover did that's so bad. Most of what I know of him comes from the collapse of the KKK.
Pirahna, because this thread is the best on HC. Read through all 90 pages, maybe you'll learn something. 
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posted July 18, 2004 08:50 AM |
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Wolfman,
Declassified via the Freedom of Information Act
F.B.I. J. Edgar Hoover files released to the public
http://foia.fbi.gov/hoover.htm
(notice that there is conveniently no solid evidence to link him to president Johnson, as enigmatic as the file sorting actually is)
Hoover's thoughts concerning communism in America:
(this is in relation to Peacemaker's earlier reference to McCarthiasm)
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/06/documents/hoover/
Hoover's obsession with "Blacks":
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2000/ews_hoover_2730.html
Notice I didn't include anything related to the colapse of the KKK. I figured you've done your research on the matter and probably know of some of the underhanded tactics they used. Tactics such as, calling KKK spouses to tell them when, where, and with whom, their KKK husbands were cheating.
The point you should get from all of this is that Hoover was a man more closely associated with a detailed paranoid mastermind. And although he was detailed one can clearly see that his organization of his own gathered black market material was enigmatic. Only he knew how to arrange and find his own files and no one else. Whether he did this on purpose or for some other reason, it made him a very valuable and highly sought after man in the intelligence business.
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posted July 21, 2004 03:17 PM |
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college work
for some college work i have to gather information about terrorism. this information is very hard to get except for news reports. does anyone know if there is a high threat of coalition soldiers being targeted with anthrax in either iraq or afghanistan?
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posted July 21, 2004 06:07 PM |
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piggy,
This is a valid and important concern you address. It is also a risk made abundantly clear to the soldiers who travel abroad for military operations.
Using anthrax on the soldiers is a much less serious event to concern yourself with. Coalition forces are well equipped to handle chemical warfare. They are all trained and become familiar with what they call "mop gear". Each soldier is issued their own specially certified mask, gloves, boots, and suit depending on the level of the chemical threat. Donning "mop gear" is a command issued at different levels of threat. Each company, platoon, squadron, etc. has a specific unit of people whose job it is to assess and determine the level of threat. Depending on the particular level of chemical warfare threat, the soldier is instructed to put on the necessary amount of protection. The presence or even the threat of the presence of anthrax requires a mask(and possibly more) as the biological toxin is lethal via being inhaled.
Whenever exposed to deadly chemical warfare agents, soldiers must go through a very thorough cleaning process following their exposure sometimes taking several hours to more than a day of cleaning.
My entire point for posting such lengthy information is that the troops are prepared. It is the civilians we must worry about, who have no effective means of defending themselves from such an attack. So I wouldn't wory about the threat of anthrax on our soldiers if I were you. They are prepared. If I were you I'd spend more time worrying about civilians in a state of high risk such as those in Saudi Arabia, neighboring Iran, and other such places where terrorists are conducting beheadings.
On a side note if anthrax was found to be used by some country then the United Nations would more than likely find the state sponsor and invade them to stop them from ever using it again.(And guess who would supply most of the troops, the americans perhaps?)
Edit: Anyone have any ideas on how to stop those extremists cutting peoples' heads off? I think they think they actually know what they're doing. Is that really how to do business?
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posted July 24, 2004 10:53 PM |
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I really don't have a problem with the underhanded tactics used to bring down the KKK. I think you need to watch a movie, Consis.
Mississippi Burning with Gene Hackman and a young Willem DaFoe (sp?) Maybe you've already seen it.
Thanks for the links.
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posted July 26, 2004 12:23 AM |
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Edit: Anyone have any ideas on how to stop those extremists cutting peoples' heads off? I think they think they actually know what they're doing. Is that really how to do business?
Governments like the Phillipines need to stop giving into the demands of the terrorists. If they see that their tactic is working then they'll keep doing it.
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posted July 27, 2004 06:47 PM |
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Aquaman, for once I agree with you.
I also note that, at least for me, all this beheading is losing its punch because they're desensitizing me by doing it over and over. After the first few I started thinking, well yeah, right. How many thousands of other people, including little children, have also died in this mess?
I know it might sound cold but giving the act all the attention we've been giving it plays right into their hands.
Personally I think the bigger problem is how the resistance creeps keep picking off the government reps like paper ducks in a shooting galery. Eventually this will deter worthy individuals from their willingness to serve as legistlators.
Either way, I don't see us stopping them from doing either of these things until the entire dynamic in the Middle East is transformed. That's where we need to focus our strategic energy.
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posted July 27, 2004 07:28 PM |
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I dont feel the Phillipines made a mistake pulling out early, they were planning on pulling out anyways, why not save a life in the mean time?
I believe they were pulling out in August, but instead left in July, I may make the Terrorists think they are winning, but why waste a life? if you dont have to?
imagine the consiquences the government would have had, had they let the man die to keep there armies out for another month.
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posted July 27, 2004 11:03 PM |
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How many more lives will be lost because the terrorists are empowered to do the same thing over and over because it works?
I submit that one life saved now may cost countless more in the future.
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posted July 27, 2004 11:31 PM |
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I Agree With Draco
I saw it more as a political coincidence than a victory for the terrorists. Governments have been doing that sort of charading for years.
The fact is they were indeed planning on pulling out even before from lack of support from their own citizens. Once this situation arose, the governemnt played the cards well and claimed they were pulling out for the people. The truth is they would have stayed longer if they could've maintained support politically. As if the people really believe the government did it for them, bah, how plebian can they be?
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posted July 28, 2004 12:03 AM |
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Just ask yourself one question:
What's the harm done by pulling out earlier?
None.
What's the harm done by complying with the terrorist demands?
Some people would say that gives them credibility, and that might encourage them to do it again. Well, I think they'd do it again anyway, so it doesn't make much difference.
NOw what would the harm be if they hadn't fulfilled their demands?
Maybe riots, government pressure and they would lose the next elections. Not a popular decision.
All sumed up - it's understandable why they did it. If the war was for a good cause, I wouldn't support it. But for a cause that sucks (i.e. Bush's oil money), I'm indifferent at best.
EDIT: On a second thought, that might give the terrorists the legitimacy that they succeeded in reaching their goal, which would only aid their cause in the eyes of their fellow countrymen and increase their support.
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posted July 28, 2004 04:06 PM |
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Going back a bit...
The problem I find with justifying authority figures in using outside the law methods of persuing a case is that this opens a can of worms in regards to determnining what methods are suitable, and also if the person or group is deserving of such methods. The KKK might have been, but to allow it once is a precedence for other times when the organisation or person might not be deserving.
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posted August 03, 2004 03:56 AM |
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posted August 13, 2004 01:56 AM |
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Edit: Anyone have any ideas on how to stop those extremists cutting peoples' heads off? I think they think they actually know what they're doing. Is that really how to do business?
Governments like the Phillipines need to stop giving into the demands of the terrorists. If they see that their tactic is working then they'll keep doing it.
i think we should nuke them off the face of the earth!. teach those bastards to decapatate our people.
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posted August 13, 2004 04:23 AM |
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That's the spirit. MacArthur would be proud.
*edit* I'll be ****** if I'm the last post in this topic, somebody reply.
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posted September 05, 2004 10:03 PM |
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Boo
Edit: Well you asked for a reply didn't you? 
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posted September 06, 2004 11:17 PM |
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has anyone heard about the terrorists holding the frenchmen? their newest list of demands is this :
1. 5 million bucks
2. for the hunt of osama bin laden to stop
3. for all military forces to leave iraq
i think that it is rediculus. there is no way in crap the US government is going to pull out of iraq.especially for some frenchmen. not after we saved their butts twice and then they turn around and dont support us in this war. but hey... who cares what i say... im just a freshmen.
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posted September 07, 2004 10:43 AM |
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One day Americans like you might realise that just because your relatives fought in two world wars doesn't give you the right to expect everyone else to follow America's foreign policy. WWII was supposed to have been fought so that nations could be free to determine their own future, not have it dictated to them....
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posted September 07, 2004 08:30 PM |
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And we choose to not negotiate with terrorists. Especially if the terrorists were dumb enough to make demands from America after they kidnap a non-American. It didn't work with the first ones, it won't work with this guy. I feel for the guy, but it's just too bad.
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