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...but, like, you know, she's so smart, and like, so hot, dude!
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2. A vote for Bush is a vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008. If Kerry wins this election, I fear we'll lose this country's best hope for democracy. She is and will be one of our greatest presidents. I know this in my heart.
Consis, stop thinking with your heart (and your pants), and just think logically. I agree that Hillary Clinton, if she runs, will win the presidency. Here is my logic:
Racism, Sexism, and Gender Inequality still thrive in our United States, as much as we do not want to admit this. If Hillary Clinton runs for president, then this is my belief. As a result of the sexist attitudes and gender inequality that still exists, more women will be driven to vote for Hillary Clinton for those specific reasons. Now, you will also have your chauvanistic males who will be driven to vote against Hillary Clinton as a result of their sexist belief that a women should never become president. However, I beleive that more women will make their ways to the polls to show their support for Hillary Clinton that those males who will show up to vote against her. In addition, being the wife of former president Bill Clinton will give Hillary a huge edge among all minority voters, who I believe will have their strongest showing ever at the 2008 election if Hillary Clinton does indeed receive the Democratic nomination.
Regardless of my above logic, I must digress for a moment and admit that I do indeed find Hillary Clinton quite sexy in some peculiar way. However, unlike Consis, I can put aside my heart (and my pants) when it comes to electing our next president, regardless of how sexy or handsome the candidate is to me. 
On a serious note, Consis, I am truly glad to see you exercised your right to vote.
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posted October 31, 2004 11:58 PM |
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Sorry Consis, I know Im doing it again. But for once I can adress something that directly relates to me, in something that concern your presidential election.
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Our country is the strongest for many reasons. I believe the president is right for these times and other countries respect his word. When he says something, they know he means what he says. I like that in a president.
This is simply not true. Other countries have absolutely no repspect for Bush, unless you consider fear a form of respect.
The reason for this is simply put. Bush have absolutely zero credibility in the world opinion.
For starters. My country, Denmark is part of the coalition of the "willing". (Just talked with my sisters brother-in-law who is on his way to Afganistan)
A poll just showed that if it where Danes who where electing the US president. Kerry would get 72 % of the votes, Bush would get a meagre 11 %.
Every time our government states something about what is going on in Iraq, people are questioning the information if they come from a US source.
The reason for this is simply put. We believe Bush intentionally lied to get a war started in Iraq.
Remember this is coming from one of your allies in Iraq. Imagine how it looks in countries that looked through the smoke-screen Bush put out to get a war started. Do you honestly believe Bush is respected anywhere except in the US?
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posted November 01, 2004 12:50 AM |
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Do you honestly believe Bush is respected anywhere except in the US?
He's not terribly well respected here, either, as I suspect the American people will demonstrate in a couple of days.
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posted November 01, 2004 03:30 AM |
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However, unlike Consis, I can put aside my heart (and my pants) when it comes to electing our next president
Now I know why Consis didnt vote for Kerry.
Like you to admit or not, Bush is more sexy than Kerry.
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posted November 01, 2004 04:40 AM |
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Wow, This seems to be the bush haters of the world unite website. I can keep quiet no longer. I appologize if I miss something but with all the outlandish statements being made I can not touch on them all.
1. Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction.--- What a Joke!! John Kerry himself was quoted as thinking the same thing on different occasions before we attacked, Including most major leaders in the world. Remember that all Saddam had to do was comply with U.N resolutions which he ignored repeatedly. But I guess we should just say- Stop that or we will make another resolution.
2. We went into Iraq for Oil--- Bush went into Iraq because he beleives it was the right thing to do. I can understand the debate around if it was the right thing However, he did this politically unpopular thing because of conviction and tuesday the amercan people will tell him if they agree or not. We have not taken any oil (Oil prices prove that) from Iraq and have spent Billions to rebuild this country but get no respect from any of you for that.
3. Our Coalition of willing is a joke-- NOPE, The scandal of FRANCE, GERMANY and RUSSIA Illegally buying oil from Saddam is the joke. I wonder why they were against the overthrowing of a guy who owed them Billions illiegally.
4. The weapons used in Iraq are American-- Now this is true to a point, but someone went as far as to say U.S. actually gave him the chemical weapons he used to kill the kurds (WMD's I might add) What a Joke, It is statement like that that make me laugh at how far out there many of you are. the NEW weapons that the Iraq troops used were Sold to them by Russia and China. U.S. have not sold weapons to Iraq since The Iraq-Iran war ended.
5. Bush is not Respected by the World-- Is that a bad thing? reading all your posts feels like a game I used to play as a child- King of the hill. The whole point of the game is to knock the king off the hill. The United States has liberated more people in its short history than any country ever. I am sure you will all dispute that but we liberated France twice and look at the credit we get from them
I have one last point-- APPEASEMENT, How quickly we forget what really allowed Hitler to Kill Millions. I wish we all could hold hands and sing together but it is a dog eat dog world and I am a realist. I don't think it is a coincidence that no major attack has accured on American soils since 9/11. The terrorists want us to retreat and pretend everything is fine again, then we forget, then we sleep- then we die. This "Jihad" Will not stop until all "Infidels" are dead and Isreal is in the Sea. You don't want to beleive it, but ask the people on the train in spain, the school in Russia- this is reality. A harsh one- that is why America Needs Bush. If Kerry Wins, I will will respect him and Support him- And I will Pray He either does what is right or that I am wrong.
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posted November 01, 2004 09:50 AM |
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Dear Realitytjeck.
Stop watching Fox News, it describes an alternative reality, not the one everybody else is living in.
To point out just one of your factual mistakes.
Saddam used WMD`s against the Kurds during the Iran-Iraq war. So do you really think they didnt use American technology and equipment? (To be fair, they also used German, British and even danish equipment)
Concerning the reason why Bush went into Iraq. Transcripts from staff meetings held by Bush prior to 9/11 shows that he asked for a plan dividing the oil-fields in Iraq. Mind you the division where which American companies should get witch oil-fields.
The reason the oil prices is so high today is partly due to the fact that there was an Iraqi insurrection. This was definetly not in the blue print Bush signed when he attacked Iraq. Call it alternative realities or simply just plain incompetence, but eventhough there where plenty of warnings from a number of people that it was a very real possibility with this kind of insurrection, Bush wouldnt listen.
Another weighty argument for Bush only going into Iraq because of the oil, is the fact that while the Iraqi Oil-ministry where guarded by US troops from day one, 370 tonnes of explosives went missing from an iraqi military base. Mind you, explosives the US knew where there.
But offcourse these explosives werent as important as the blueprints to the Iraqi oil fields.
Concerning wether or not it was just French and Russian companies that misused the Oil-for-Food programme, I must admit that I`m convinced that US companies where just as bad. My reason for this belief, is that the information comes from US sources, and as I have allready pointed out US sources doesnt have any credibility what so ever as long as George Walker Bush is sitting in the White House.
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posted November 03, 2004 08:23 AM |
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{Note: I am currently "off duty" due to RL pressure, and will not be checking IMs, replying, etc for a few days. But, I just had to relay this one comment...}
Consis: At lunch today, during the incessant political discussion, I mentioned your strategy of voting Bush as a measure of support for Clinton. My dad pointed out the past few Democratic presidents were state governors before being elected. Kerry is not a governor; he's a senator. If he gets defeated, it's likely the Dems will look for another governor to be their candidate in 2008, not a senator like Kerry and Clinton.
I'm not sure how much water that theory really holds, but it's something to think about. Guess we'll see, huh?
And, just outta curiousity, for other Americans...In Minnesota, the voting stations hand out little red circle stickers that say "I Voted." They're kinda hokey, but people actually wear them. I got my name legally changed today, and it was surprising how many professionals at the courthouse (lawyers, court clerks, etc.) were wearing "I Voted." It's nice because seeing the stickers everywhere reminds other people that they should vote. Now, I wonder: Are these stickers a Minnesota thing or a nation-wide thing?
Edit: Difference between voting and polling...mis-type fixed.
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posted November 03, 2004 01:33 PM |
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It's a nation-wide thing. I didn't get one  , but some of my friends did.
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posted November 03, 2004 02:35 PM |
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what really allowed Hitler to Kill Millions
The same thing that allowed Bush to kill thousands. He won the (democratic) elections.
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posted November 03, 2004 04:19 PM |
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Hmm...
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At lunch today, during the incessant political discussion, I mentioned your strategy of voting Bush as a measure of support for Clinton. My dad pointed out the past few Democratic presidents were state governors before being elected. Kerry is not a governor; he's a senator. If he gets defeated, it's likely the Dems will look for another governor to be their candidate in 2008, not a senator like Kerry and Clinton.
That's an interesting theory/democratic countermeasure. As I've already stated, I believe women to be the key to the next election over the hispanic and other minority voters. I like to think that republican women will be more likely to gravitate towards Senator Clinton because of her ordeal with her husband. I think there is a national closeness to the Senator because of her husband's infidelity. I also think this will be her strongest issue. I think women all around the world look at her and feel a small connection because of her brilliant promiscuous spouse. So, in my mind, I think american women can finally start to feel free and thus in turn start to truly feel like they are equally as important as men in the world. Senator Clinton has a variety of other important positions but as we see in this election, likeable attributes and issues that are important seem to be overshadowed by a candidate's character. I think she has the character and wants to iron out the wrinkles in her stance on certain important issues in New York.
The democratic comittee can look to governors all they want but my hope is that they will fall under the shadow of Hillary's national popularity. This is a woman who 'could have stayed home and baked cookies in the kitchen' but decided, instead, to get up and try to change the world to make it better.
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Now, I wonder: Are these stickers a Minnesota thing or a nation-wide thing?
Here in Oregon (Kerry won with 53%) we mostly mail our votes in. That's what my wife and I did.
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posted November 03, 2004 04:26 PM |
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it's likely the Dems will look for another governor to be their candidate in 2008, not a senator like Kerry and Clinton.
Mark Warner (D) Governor of Virginia. You heard it here first.
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Khayman
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posted November 03, 2004 07:08 PM |
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Carnival Cruise Lines 2004 Election Special Offer
I just wanted to share this with you all, especially those of you who are influenced by Hollywood and the entertainment industry...
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With that in mind, we have a Special Offer for those who still want to keep their promise!
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You may opt to be dropped off in Somalia or Iraq or some similar sunny location.
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Please pack for an extended stay... at least FOUR MORE YEARS.
Note: Since you advocate strict gun control, you may not bring any.
Staffing your voyage is Bill Clinton as captain, John Edwards as cruise director, and Gray Davis, as Purser (the guy in charge of managing the money). "Teh-RAY-sah" Heinz Kerry hopefully will be shoved somewhere below decks away from the media.
Monica Lewinsky will be the "Cigar and Cigarette Girl". Entertainment will be provided by the Dixie Chicks and Bruce Springsteen, and movies will be shown each evening by Michael Moore.
John Kerry will be our Life Guard based on his past experience of pulling people out of the water. He is also in charge of games and has eliminated "shuffleboard" in favor of his new game he calls "waffleboard". Be sure to pack your flip flops as you will need them while playing.
Ted Kennedy will double as Bartender and back-up Life Guard. He only qualifies as back-up Life Guard since his experience in rescuing people from drowning has not been too successful.
Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will provide inspirational services, and Al Franken will give inspirational talks each afternoon.
If you have any questions about making arrangements for your homes, friends and loved ones, please contact Senator Hillary Clinton. Her "village" can raise your children while you're gone, and she can watch over all your money and your furnishings until you return.
"Bon Voyage!"
Is this a great country or what? It's called Freedom of Speech.
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posted November 03, 2004 07:16 PM |
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Those people should really tak ethem up on that offer.
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posted November 03, 2004 09:11 PM |
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What I am going to say, I not say it for all of the Americans (especially not those who spoke on that forum), but for the thin majority of them (around 52%, If you see what I mean)
I can hardly believe that the US is a country of freedom of Speech (where are the socialist ? Even the communists ? US has only choice between soft and hard conservative politic guideline. And Americans themselves choosed to restrain their choices).
But even more, I must admit that the self-called US "patriotism" is nothing more than "self-restrained freedom of thinking", a magnificient politic tool created to marginate the real self-thinking minority.
So Hail to the America, Hail Bush, and may the incoming four years be quite hard enough to free the way of thinking of enslaved minds.
P.S.: Khayman, what do you prefer ? See Iraq & Afghanistan & understand why 1/3 of global population hates you (and may be solve the problem definitely), or stay in US and sleep quietly until the next bombing ?
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posted November 03, 2004 10:58 PM |
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An Additional Question:
Being that I am a democrat, I look to the future for rescue. But regardless of how much I want Hillary to be president in 08 I know she'll not see the whitehouse again without gaining some kind of support in the southern states. Governor, senator, or otherwise won't matter if the next democratic candidate ignores the southern vote.
At this time I have an idea as to whom I think would be best suited for the job. I am hesitant to mention it but I'm very worried that Jeb Bush will vie for the republican nomination. Arnold is out, Jeb might run, and senator Edwards isn't as much of a southerner as he thought he was.
I'm not sure how possible or likely this choice might be. I'll post my idea after doing some more research so I'll start with a few slight hints:
1. this person could be an influencial and pivotal v.p. pic
2. this person is a governor
3. this person is a also woman
And also, I'm not really sure if this thread would be the best place to start a discussion on the 2008 presidential election.
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posted November 04, 2004 01:36 AM |
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1. this person could be an influencial and pivotal v.p. pic
What's a pivotal v.p. pic? I've never heard that term before?
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posted November 04, 2004 03:04 AM |
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I think there is a national closeness to the Senator because of her husband's infidelity. I also think this will be her strongest issue.
May God help the nation whose destiny is decided by one man's sex organs.
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posted November 04, 2004 03:51 PM |
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Surf's Up, Dudes!
Dalaran asked:Quote:
P.S.: Khayman, what do you prefer ? See Iraq & Afghanistan & understand why 1/3 of global population hates you (and may be solve the problem definitely), or stay in US and sleep quietly until the next bombing ?
Actually, Dalaran, it truly does not bother me if someone hates me.
I stopped caring about what others think about me shortly after I graduated from high school, and since then, peer pressure and social pressure no longer have the same influences upon me that they once did. In my life, I only care about two types of people, family and friends. My next door neighbor is not my friend; therefore, I do not care what he thinks about me. With that in mind, do you think I care what someone in another country thinks of me? I can hear the responses to that statement now..."Well, Khayman, it is because of that attitude and way of thinking that terrorists target your country for attack." Perhaps those who believe that are correct. However, the terrorists are only contributing to the global expansions and global interests of the United States with their attacks. As we have already seen, the United States will in turn use these terrorist attacks to justify military retaliation in another country where there just happens to be some economic interest for us. It is not that difficult to connect the dots and see through the fog of war in these situations, such as the current situation in Iraq.
As for Iraq and Afghanistan, I am in support of those campaigns there. Although I would consider myself somewhat of a conservative with progressive thinking, I am very hawkish in my ideologies, and I do not need false justifications such as the search for weapons of mass destruction in order to justify taking strategic control of natural resources, especially in the Middle East. If Bush would have just come out and said the following..."We have evidence that comfirms Iraq supported these terrorist attacks on our country [whether directly or indirectly, through personnel, weapons, or financing]. As a result of this information, we are going to launch a military campaign to not only oust Iraq's current regime, but to also secure Iraq's natural resources and oil reserves in order to ensure the economic stability of the United States for our present and future generations."...then I would have no problem with this. Don't feed me this bull**** about democracy flowing in the Arab world. Don't tell me how much better the Iraqi people would be as a result of a regime change. Just tell me this..."As a result of our military campaign in Iraq, we will also now have more control over the production, pricing, and distribution of Iraq's oil"...and you've got my approval.
If someone wants to hate me as a result of my beliefs, then that is fine with me, because I do not care whatsoever. You see, I could be the nicest, kindest person in the United States, and yet there will still be people who hate me for the sheer fact that I am an American. It is not worth the effort for me to convince them otherwise.
Right now, the United States is a huge tidal wave that is washing across the globe, and I just happen to be at the crest of that wave on my surfboard, carving it up until it eventually dies out somewhere near the shoreline...which at this point in time, that shoreline is nowhere to be seen.
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posted November 04, 2004 05:41 PM |
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Right now, the United States is a huge tidal wave that is washing across the globe, and I just happen to be at the crest of that wave on my surfboard, carving it up until it eventually dies out somewhere near the shoreline...which at this point in time, that shoreline is nowhere to be seen.
Jesus H. Christ!
Can you hear yourself? That's a very dangerous, disturbing, and maniacal way of seeing the world. The rest of humanity probably doesn't want to get crushed by the American tidal wave. You know that, don't you? Be honest, now. Isn't this exactly what many German people were thinking in the mid-1930's?
I don't think you're a bad person, Khayman ... but blind nationalism coupled with the might of the U.S. military is a dangerous, dangerous thing.
-Laelth
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Dalaran
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posted November 04, 2004 07:53 PM |
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Khayman Said:Quote:
If someone wants to hate me as a result of my beliefs, then that is fine with me, because I do not care whatsoever. You see, I could be the nicest, kindest person in the United States, and yet there will still be people who hate me for the sheer fact that I am an American. It is not worth the effort for me to convince them otherwise.
Did you never had an alternative way of thinking ? I agree with this point: This population hates you only because you're American.
But what "American" means to them ? It means only the acts, and the way of thinking your acts that you describe, they cannot know you by another way. So you reacts like a "Victim" while they are under the bombs.
It is up to you to change this identity, if it is possible yet. I must also say that your demonstration of "America tidal wave" crushing the world is very fun, because I'm sure you wouldn't say that if YOU were under the bombs (Have you ever thought about it ?).
P.S.: Thanks Laelth, some little wise words in a flow of inepties...
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