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posted May 23, 2004 06:06 PM |
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Good post Khayman.
Your predictions may or may not prove accurate, but the analytical method you use to arrive at them is truer to life than many of us wish were the case.
Let's see, what was it I said to Mel just the other day? "I pray you are wrong, but fear you are right."
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posted May 23, 2004 08:34 PM |
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Hey Khayman,
did you have visions about those predictions? Cos they sound so unsupported from present facts, it looks like you are psychic or astrologist at best. 
You'd say "who the hell is he to talk about US elections, when he's never been here in the first place.", and you'll probably be right. But I will, nonetheless. 
Not because I want to stick my nose where I shouldn't, but because these are some general issues that are pretty much the same throughout the world.
I already made a refutal of your tax "advantages", so I'd rather you read that post (on the 5 or 6 page) and then we can talk. However, the economy is not on Bush side.
Another thing that hit me was the idea you have that somehow the wealthfare of USA is unaffected by the War in Iraq. A totally wrong assumption, if you have in mind how many billions of dollars are spent each year to fund the war costs this administration causes. So, even though you may say Americans care more about their wallets than politics (which you're probably right), Iraq directly threatens their wallets. How can something as big as a war not threaten a country's economic stability?
And one more thing. What's the driving force behind American voters? You think it's their incomes (which would be absolutely true for major differences), but I'd say they are much more dependant on the impression they get, i.e. the propaganda and marketing. And here's the reason why both candidates are in a rat race for funding their campaigns, and the reason why both are supported from voters from all social strata. (so wallets are not THAT crucial)
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posted May 27, 2004 06:08 AM |
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Hey there old friend! -- But you didn't answer my question about voting for Powell!!!
It depends on who is on the ticket. If you mean a write in canidate I would say no. Moreover while I respect Powell, I could only vote for him with a clenched jaw because of his views on abortion which I consider to be the most important issue to face the nation since slavery.
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posted May 27, 2004 06:18 AM |
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Khayman interesting posts about social security and who will win the election. I think your assessment is correct. The only truly wild card is if Iraq crumbles between now and the election.
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"However, the economy is not on Bush side."
hmm lets see....stock market good, inflation lowest in decades, interest rates lowest in decades, home ownership at record highs, GDP at 20 year highs, employement rate the same as in Clinton's during his election year in 96, USA economy is ahead of most developed nations, The U.S. economy has expanded by 7.8 percent since the recession, the best performance in the developed world, etc. etc.
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posted May 27, 2004 07:10 AM |
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Dargon,
I think that's an interesting point you bring up about abortion. This is an issue so hot and inflammatory among voters that the politicians usually avoid it until they're cornered by the media to answering the question. "Roe vs. Wade or not?" If you started an abortion thread I would gladly participate.
As it stands, Kerry is pro-women's-rights(pro-choice) and Bush is anti-abortion.
In my opinion this issue has the potential to be the next great argument in the history of this nation. Perhaps that's why politicians tend to shy away from it until pressed for their views on the subject.
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posted May 27, 2004 07:26 AM |
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If you started an abortion thread I would gladly participate.
As it stands, Kerry is pro-women's-rights(pro-choice) and Bush is anti-abortion.
It is an issue very dear to my heart and hard to understand people with a different perspective on this issue, though I have dialogued about it endlessly. Don't know how much good it would do except get me exasperated. From my perspective it is as frustrating as arguing with a racist that other races are not sub-human.
It is interesting the way that you phrased the debate...one could also say Bush is pro-protecting preborn children(pro-life) and Kerry is anti-pretecting preborn children....guess the way people phrase the debate has a lot to do with their perspective on the issue.
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posted May 27, 2004 08:01 AM |
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Hmm,
Like I said, this is an issue not taken lightly by anyone in the world. Strangely enough, though it is the case, the country is split on the matter.
This issue has many levels of debate ranging from the term of a woman's pregnancy to contraceptive techniques.
The one side(catholic dictates) says that it is alive at the moment of conception.(Stem cell research debate goes here)
On the other side the best and strongest argument supporting women's rights to abort is the rape argument.
Unfortunately due to a lack of political proactiveness, the Roe v wade carries straight over into the pregnancy terms. President Bush has recently signed into law a statute that prohibits abortion after two months of being pregnant.(this leaves much to discuss)
As I have an extensive background and education in medicine and hospital care I have much to say concerning this issue. My mother was a postpartum nurse. My neighbor is a phlebotomist. My wife is a physical therapist. I am an ex-paramedic/cpr instructor/rescue soldier/and father of 3 children. On top of all that I am choosing to undergo a vascectomy operation in two weeks time.
I really would prefer we make a new thread but if no one is complaining then this is a suitable place I suppose. It does slightly have to do with the topic.(only slightly since the two candidates running for office are keeping their political distance from the issue and with good reason)
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posted May 27, 2004 09:06 AM |
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The one side(catholic dictates) says that it is alive at the moment of conception.(Stem cell research debate goes here)
Just a quick comment about stem cells etc- Religion should play no part in this. I say if the government wants to perform a expiriment on stem cells, for whatever reason, let them. keep religion and any and all branches of government seperate.
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posted May 27, 2004 03:54 PM |
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..[abortion]...In my opinion this issue has the potential to be the next great argument in the history of this nation.
 God help America.
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posted June 03, 2004 02:19 PM |
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Funny Video
A liberal buddy of mine sent me this link. It is a link to a cute video about Vice President Cheney and Justice Scalia's alleged underhanded dealings, along with George Bush, of course, providing some additional humor. It covers several issues, from the Halliburton scandal to the energy crisis. It definitely will give all the Democrats and Liberals a good laugh, and even some Republicans, as both the issues and graphics are pretty good. Enjoy...
http://www.freerangegraphics.com/clients/duckblind/
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posted June 03, 2004 02:26 PM |
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Or you could play a little anti-bush game
http://www.emogame.com/bushgame.html
Besides the fact that is really really funny, you get a chance to really se the reasons Bush should not be realected. Just try it.
PS: I've finished
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posted June 03, 2004 05:16 PM |
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Post-Election Thoughts
I would like to point out that even though I am going to vote against President G.W. Bush, I'll not loose any respect for him as a person. I've seen some amazing things done by him and his administration.
The economy did, in fact, recover under his watch as president. It is greatly arguable as to the exact deciding factor that contributed the most but his tax cuts did do a lot of good. Even though they weren't towards me and my family, which is middle class, they did help recover a national recession.
At first I was very concerned about his horrible outlook on creating new jobs but after we the people gave him "what-for", he came around and the jobs began to come back.
My opinion of his international stance concerning foreign allies, neutrals, and enemies is varied.
Concerning our allies, he had a lot of nerve to bring Tony Blair and the Brittish people along in the way that he did. Personally, I've always thought of the Brittish as being fickle when it comes to wars that they should and should not be involved in. In my humble opinion, they seemed to have a disturbingly high turnout for war abroad when they should be looking to solidify relations within their own house of commons! I have felt for a long time that there are many in parliament who believe war to be a good distraction from increasingly high taxation. I certainly like the people of that country but my stomach churns butter when I see their parliament act as unruly as my congress in certain debates. Don't get me wrong, I'm not generalizing the entire ruling body. What I'm saying is that they seem to have an unusually high turnout for pro-war when the debate hits the table especially when the war is going to be fought outside the country!
Concerning the neutral foreign nationalities, I think we need to be more proactive in the genocide currently taking place in many places on the african continent. Actually, I think we should be leading the fight for that area. If we were there and not in Iraq then the world would be much less likely to see us as warring for oil! I still think we shouldn't be in Iraq! No matter how one slices his pie one cannot ignore the fact that we're there and not in africa where genocide is taking place! The people of the world aren't so stupid as to be blind to this simple fact! And neither am I! Also, once I heard Bush laugh and dismiss the UN when asked about what they would think about us pre-emptively invading Iraq, I was forever changed from even slightly considering to re-elect the pompous cowboy. 'Go it alone' indeed, I have wanted to give that guy a good slug to the chin when he did that on national television. When he did that I was enraged at his utter lack of regard for foreign popular opinion. He really sort of showed the world that if they didn't agree with him then they were against him(much like he said in his state of the union address when he was only speaking about terrorism). I don't like isolationist cowboy attitudes in almost all respects. There is one respect that I am pleased with however, this poor attitude of his has shown our enemies abroad that we americans are not to be taken lightly as fat-happy-fastfood restaraunt eating-selfish-out of shape-capitolist-pigs. I very much agreed with his statement telling the world that when he says he is going to do something then that is what he will do. To me, I held him with higher respect than John Kerry on this area. I like our leaders to be decisive and dependable. I think this gives a clear signal to the world that whether he has the full support of his country or not, let the religious extremists of the world beware, be they islamic, christian, or otherwise.
And that leads me to the concerns of our enemies. Let them beware whilst Bush is working for the american people as president. We have an entire heeping mound of internal problems that we need sorting out here on the homefront, but if you want a war with us then we are ready, nuclear weapons or not.
Now come full circle to the title of my post. I will not be voting to re-elect this president and if he should lose the election(which I think will happen) then I will hold no less respect for him. My only grievance with him as our president will be that he went on a tyrade to complete some over zealous campaign for his father. Beyond this I will consider him to be a loyal american citizen once he is out of office. I would trust that he go back to Crawford Texas a more humble man. While he has caused me to never again vote for him, he has also earned a great deal of my respect for many things that he has done for my country. It won't at all be like Clinton. When he left office there was a great number of people who quickly tried to forget he was ever president due to his lack of morals. As an american citizen I was quite embarassed by Clinton's blatant misuse of the executive authority but I will not be embarassed when Bush leaves office. I consider his father to be of greater stature in my mind, but this Bush has been of great help to the country when it needed it. And for this I thank him and wish him well in his post presidential years. May he live a long and quiet life on his ranch in west Texas.
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posted June 03, 2004 05:20 PM |
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Consis: Dear dear, you don't get it do you? We like fighting wars outside our country because it's too damned cold inside our country to fight them here! It's a cheap way of giving a few thousand Brits a holiday somewhere warm!
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posted June 03, 2004 05:34 PM |
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Ah ha! See this is why America really refuses to take action about the environment and reduce greenhouse emissions! It's a underhanded, sneaky way to stop the British from ever regaining the empire! See if you colonials continue to pollute the world enough, Global warming will happen, the UK will get warmer, and we'll stop invading foreign lands to get our leisure time
*Rushes off to tell MI5 his latest discovery*
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posted June 04, 2004 02:33 AM |
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Good. You all have a good imperialist laugh about everything, while the rest of the world stands aside and weeps.
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posted June 04, 2004 03:42 AM |
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Svarog wrote:Quote:
Good. You all have a good imperialist laugh about everything, while the rest of the world stands aside and weeps.
They can weep all they want. I own stock in the Kimberly-Clark Corporation, who are the makers of Kleenex* tissue.
Basically, the more the world weeps, the more tissues they will need, which will increase the demand for Kleenex. The Kimberly-Clark Corporation's profits increase, their stock price rises accordingly, and I make more money on my investment.
Now, if the United States could just get find another Middle Eastern country with some more oil reserves and do it right this time, we will bet living large. Personally, I thought we would have our hands in that African diamond mine 'cookie jar' by now, but I guess the current situatio in Iraq has slowed things down a bit. Oh well, perhaps the next time we invade...
*Note: Kleenex tissue is available at Wal-Mart, a fine American juggernaut retailer, coming to a shopping center near you.
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posted June 04, 2004 08:44 AM |
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Good. You all have a good imperialist laugh about everything, while the rest of the world stands aside and weeps.
Ooops, someone needs a sense of humour transplant
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posted June 04, 2004 08:56 AM |
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I know a good surgeon, B. J. Honeycut.
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posted June 04, 2004 01:07 PM |
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Ooops, someone needs a sense of humour transplant
I appreciate your efforts to be funny (they were obvious btw ), but somehow I don't share that cynical sense of humour. It sounded pettiful and simply unbelievable how you managed so naively to put all your government sins in few simple lines.
Oh, and not that I was mad or something. It was just a non-pretentious comment; more like a sting than a real complaint. Just don't start an argument. please!
Here's a situation for you. Two guys kill another one and while they stand with their bloody hands above the body, one says: "Ooops, we killed him. Ha ha ha ha!"
-"Oh, yeah. I guess we did. Ha ha hha ha!"
Really funny, I agree.
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posted June 04, 2004 02:04 PM |
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Well I guess we all have our own weird sense of amusements
You didn't hear me complain about your joke about the British being more american than americans now did you? Welcome to the reverse
Whilst we're on the subject btw, I probably know an great deal more about my governments faults than you expect I do, however I can joke about them when needed. That's part of British humour, the abilty to laugh at ourselves. What we don't like people doing is continually whining about either our past nasty habits or the problems of our current government. Change the record, we know it already
Further if you don't wish to argue, do please stop insinuating that I'm niaeve or similar based on such woeful absence of facts. It cries out for a reply refuting your claim.
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