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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 04:34 PM |
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well it was opposite for me. I got mass slowed, my cyclops frenzied I ended up cursing their crushing blow when it demolished my own stacks. 
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 04:41 PM |
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i dont save replays of toh final fights because i usually forget plus i will need other player's approval. But i forget  .
Doomforge, the only way to win against orcs is multiple magic schools, at least thats my opinion. Or a very early rush and hope that he doesnt get strong shatter skills.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 06:22 PM |
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I had shatter dark. It didn't help me too much, to be honest ~~ Well, still testing.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 06:56 PM |
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I dunno how you did it  . I only won once against orcs with dungeon, spamming wasp swarm and pheonix. The other games... they totally smashed me without any effort.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 09:49 PM |
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it wasn't dungeon vs. stronghold, it actually was inferno vs. stronghold
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 10:18 PM |
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i meant that the only time i won vs them was with dungeon and summoning.
you were pawned by inferno? thats very bad..
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 10:52 PM |
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yes. After cyclopes got frenzied, they demolished half of my army. Pity.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted November 18, 2007 11:31 PM |
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Some replays would be nice for us spectators ...
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Ceres
Supreme Hero
and sweetness
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posted November 19, 2007 04:15 AM |
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cold death+evercold icicle if possible and the split of 7 assassins, also if possible the fire element for ur circle of winter/icebolt and see the phoenixs crumblin like paper ^.^ but they're tricky cause of their speed and initiative,something like blade barrier (summoning) would help out alot
I'm a bit new so what is Cold Death and Evercold Icicle? Items? Also, may I know what is this 'Fire Element' for Circle of Winter/Icebolt?
I agree that Phoenixes have high initiative. And aside from that that, they resurrect themselves! With my latest experience, I happen to bring down a stack of 9 but when the last one dies another 9 just popped out... again.
Ok, with the splitting of 7 stacks of assassin does it mean that their purpose is just to stand there and let the Phoenixes kill them while my Hero is doing the total carnage? Also, I have a little thought about that. Assassins are cheap and tier 1, easy access. So I agree that it can be used as a fodder and by splitting them into 7 stacks am I assured that the Phoenixes wouldn't be able to eliminate all the 7 stacks before I could beat them?
Thanks for the tip! 
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No, dungeon got stronger in tote, as all other races. That means that dungeon's late game is a little weaker. to win you must rush and rush and... i just got a little tired of that. Also, playing almost always vs sylvan is not a challenge for me anymore.
Edit: there is no imbalance in tote, its only that it requires new strategies. Old ones do not work anymore.
I see, I see... So Dungeon in TotE is a little weaker in late game unlike in HoF and the original game? Does this mean it is bad to let the game last longer when using Dungeon? If that's so... rushing is the only way to win...?
Yes, I've seen a lot of changes in TotE. Like for example the Skill Wheel. If my eyes don't get me wrong:
Basic Luck > Advanced Luck > Soldier's Luck and Magic Resistance (?!) and Dark Ritual (?!) > Warlock's Luck?
Wow... and now, it is hard to get huh? Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I see in the Skill Wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, thank you for offering your help, Mr. samiekl!
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Duncan
Famous Hero
The Pathfinder
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posted November 19, 2007 06:42 AM |
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cold death+evercold icicle if possible and the split of 7 assassins, also if possible the fire element for ur circle of winter/icebolt and see the phoenixs crumblin like paper ^.^ but they're tricky cause of their speed and initiative,something like blade barrier (summoning) would help out alot
I'm a bit new so what is Cold Death and Evercold Icicle? Items? Also, may I know what is this 'Fire Element' for Circle of Winter/Icebolt?
Cold Death is a perk under Destructive that will enhance ice spells (Ice Bolt, Circle of Winter, and Deep Freeze). When these are cast, at least one creature will be killed (if it doesn't have cold immunity, which is the case with the Phoenix) in addition to the normal damage. Evercold Icicle is an artifact that will give you 50% more damage for your ice spells. Have you gotten the manual?
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I agree that Phoenixes have high initiative. And aside from that that, they resurrect themselves! With my latest experience, I happen to bring down a stack of 9 but when the last one dies another 9 just popped out... again.
Kill them again
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Ok, with the splitting of 7 stacks of assassin does it mean that their purpose is just to stand there and let the Phoenixes kill them while my Hero is doing the total carnage? Also, I have a little thought about that. Assassins are cheap and tier 1, easy access. So I agree that it can be used as a fodder and by splitting them into 7 stacks am I assured that the Phoenixes wouldn't be able to eliminate all the 7 stacks before I could beat them?
Thanks for the tip!
That's should be the idea, though I'm not sure. This will depend on how fast you can kill the Pboenixes (i.e. your spellpower and the strength of your stacks). But if it's Stalkers (TotE) we're talking about, it's almost 100% guarantee.
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Yes, I've seen a lot of changes in TotE. Like for example the Skill Wheel. If my eyes don't get me wrong:
Basic Luck > Advanced Luck > Soldier's Luck and Magic Resistance (?!) and Dark Ritual (?!) > Warlock's Luck?
Wow... and now, it is hard to get huh? Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I see in the Skill Wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Basic Luck > Advanced Luck > Soldier's Luck and Magic Resistance and Dark Ritual > Expert Luck > Warlock's Luck
It is harder to get Warlock's Luck, true, but it's easier to get the ultimate - Rage of the Elements. Just do the math for the skills required
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Edwin_Yang
Known Hero
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posted November 19, 2007 10:04 AM |
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oh..I agree that dungeon got stronger in tote.espacially creeps with the stalkers.you will found it is a piece of cake to kill 9 phoenix with 7 stacks of 1 stalker.
I have a friend who like to use dungeon to play against me and he usually
takes 7 stakcs of 1 or 2 stalkers to attack me. It almost drive me crazy because I still have no good ideas to defeat them..
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted November 19, 2007 10:44 AM |
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AOE. Doesn't matter if they are invisible or not. Just aoe them. Fireball if nothing else. Find/buy some archmages if desperate. Anything that affects an area can get them.
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exekutor
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 19, 2007 11:34 AM |
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on a personal exp i dun think it works like that,it's like : (2 altars of elements are into count) then it's 30%+20% +double the 50% for rage of the elements = 100% the spell dmg and double that with runeforce = 200% the spell dmg,which exactly what happened to me,reached 28k with implosion 
or otherwise it just deals double the spell dmg to creatures with opposing elements
Yup, I have to agree. I have two castles = 50% elemental damage. Then I got Rage of the Elements, and it doubled to 100% elemental damage. I guess the same happens with Runeforce set (omg I need to get my hands on that set  ). BK-School is so a fun map (Reptile Queen ftw!), I'm going for academy towns next, maybe I get lucky and their artifact merchant has the runeforce armor. Who needs an army when you can kill the enemy troops on your own?
A little question regarding the element of spells. Implosion = fire or earth? And which spell is air, only fist and bee swarm?
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I have a friend who like to use dungeon to play against me and he usually
takes 7 stakcs of 1 or 2 stalkers to attack me. It almost drive me crazy because I still have no good ideas to defeat them..
They can't move when they turn invisible, just Meteor Shower them
Or even better Armageddon LOL You probably kill less of your own troops then you would loose if you let the warlock cast one or two times more ... Hmm... I think I just found out that Armageddon has a purpose
Edit: works best with Academy and +magic resistance mini-arties
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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted November 19, 2007 11:46 AM |
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AOE. Doesn't matter if they are invisible or not. Just aoe them. Fireball if nothing else. Find/buy some archmages if desperate. Anything that affects an area can get them.
You'd need stone spikes for that and you'd only kill 2 stacks max because then they'd move. For fireball and ice circle you'd need to get at least basic destructive and their availability in the magic guild.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 19, 2007 11:50 AM |
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@Exekutor
Of course they can move when invisible, what kind of stalkers would they be?
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exekutor
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posted November 19, 2007 11:54 AM |
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Of course they can move when invisible, what kind of stalkers would they be?
I meant they can't move the turn they go invisible
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 19, 2007 12:11 PM |
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Yeah Bad part is that they go invisible fast so it's hard for some factions to kill all 7 of them before the warlock has cast 2-3 spells.
Sylvan can with avenger->rain of arrows, easiest counter.
Necro has curse of the necromancer, one out of three and banshees but there may be a few casualties before they go on the other side and use their wail..
Academy has that, aoe and armageddon, resistance mini arties but will usually have something.
Runemages have a charging army with rune(easy to uncover their position), dwarven luck so the spell may end up halfed and finally aoe.
Stronghold has shatter destructive and rage to shrug off the first spells a definite counter.
It's haven I'm a bit worried about.
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Edwin_Yang
Known Hero
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posted November 19, 2007 12:13 PM |
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@Mytical & Exekutor thanks!
exactly that is what I thought, aoe spell.but can not kill them all in one turn.
I think corrupted soil is a nice way to solve this problem becaus then they can not move.
for archmage..unfortunatelly he always choose Lethos as his best hero so I am afride archmages would get poisoned in the beginning of the battle.
I remember once I took 5 stacks of 1 archmage to fight his Lethos and all
of 5 stacks got poisoned ...perfect...!
So I decided to choose Nathir because with expert destruction magic and dark magic there is 1/3 chance to get armageddon or curse of the netherworld..of course corrupted soil....
but at the same time it means that you must spend at least 5 skill points
to learn dark magic and corrupted soil so that you may have to give up some usefull skills.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted November 19, 2007 12:17 PM |
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Scatter shot with haven? Havn't tried that though. The alt upgrade griffens dive? Yeah haven will have issues.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 19, 2007 01:50 PM |
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No, archers have 9 initiative and the battle griffins are just as slow(10). But I had not thought of 7 single imperial griffins They should battle dive before the warlock even with swift mind, at least most of them. And if he just moved the assassins the griffins still play fast and your hero can see and hit them.
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