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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 06:12 PM |
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Strange, titans shoot my ballista with a regular attack. Phantom can't be cast on a phoenix. Tier is too high.
just guessing. 
Anyways, gaining advatage over other player because of his mistakes is ok; gaining it through abusing bugs of brainless machine is not.
Say, if there was a hero with a special that would immediately kill every creep on the field, would you call that skill?
It's the same kind of bug as titans' ai.
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 06:13 PM |
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Edited by sdfx at 18:53, 18 Apr 2007.
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Anyway, assuming titans can shoot at warmachines I find also firewall really powerful - it bypass defense and you can place 2 on a non-moving 2x2 creature.
To 86wyp: that's why I need a phoenix. It's the key that buys enough time.
To Doomforge: I've just checked and MotW + phantom give only one phantom. I mean it only gives 2 phantoms if not MotWed stack is targeted. If MotWed stack is targeted there will be only 1 phantom.
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betruger
Known Hero
empowered mind
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posted April 18, 2007 06:50 PM |
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That's very impressive indeed. So do you take much experience from chests to level up quickly before the first break?
Yeah, this game was a test really, so I neglected prety much everything but leveling my hero ASAP. I took only exp. from chests and have not visited most of the map.
Normally I take only gold from chests, and break in week 3, which is more reasonable and less dicey I think.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 06:54 PM |
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uh-huh. I messed up the academy theorycrafting part seriously, I see 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 18, 2007 07:52 PM |
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To Doomforge: I've just checked and MotW + phantom give only one phantom. I mean it only gives 2 phantoms if not MotWed stack is targeted. If MotWed stack is targeted there will be only 1 phantom.
That used to happen back in 1.2 where motw could be cast multiple times and with phantom cast on the same target you got 2 clones. At least we got 1/2 initiative with this change so I can't complain much...
Phantom forces does not clone phoenixes even on expert and the phoenix bug that you may have heard works only with regular phoenixes for this reason.
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 08:22 PM |
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While I was testing that battle vs titans, the thing that suprised me the most was the fact that titans can be blinded. MotW + Blindness + Nur worked really great.. and I've always thought that blindable = puppetable, and that once you've obtained puppet it simply replaces the "inferior" blindness.
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 09:07 PM |
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HAHA you guys are weak i did my breakthrough in real game
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(joke)
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86wyp
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 09:32 PM |
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Anyways, gaining advatage over other player because of his mistakes is ok; gaining it through abusing bugs of brainless machine is not.
Say, if there was a hero with a special that would immediately kill every creep on the field, would you call that skill?
It's the same kind of bug as titans' ai.
Mind you killing titans has nothing to do with the hero's special. In this game, if there is a player who can creep easilly with no matter what way (except cheating of course), that's definately skill, the skill everyone want to have.
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TowerLord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 18, 2007 09:53 PM |
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impressive breakings  ... indeed creeping is very important part of the game, but sometimes breaking so early isn't the best thing to do. There were times I won breaking later, but with a more solid economy, and also I lost breaking faster than my opponent .
Even though creeping fast is very important, I cannot agree with 86wyp who says creeping means skill... Beating the AI creeps is easy and pushing it to the limit is more a matter of practice than true skill.
Of course experience is important and creeping fast always helps, but what helps even more and actually wins games is understanding the game dynamics, knowing how to get advantages piece by piece and attack your opponent at the right time, when your chances of winning are bigger.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 09:55 PM |
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And with a simple bugfix, the so called "skill" will disappear?  Uh huh, what kind of skill is that?
"situational" skill means exploiting the game holes, nothing more IMO.
By the term "skill", I understand an ability to prevail in any ingame situation.. not an ability to see that titans are "dumb" and repeat the same titan-dumbness based trick every time.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 18, 2007 10:16 PM |
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True, what Doomforge and Towerlord say is true, there is no skill in abusing that fool titans (and another ai stupidity), how about if a player controlling those 40 titans? those so called skill will be far less effective.
Skill is everchanging thing, not always like that everytime and repeated like that everytime.
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86wyp
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 19, 2007 12:17 AM |
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Then how about driving, swimming, and singing and all those countless abilities. They are all a matter of practice, repeated everytime, "dumb" tricks? No, They are not true skills, are they?
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dschingi
Famous Hero
the guy with the dragon golem
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posted April 19, 2007 01:40 AM |
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Is it really important if you call it skill or not? Knowing such loopholes doesn't need much tactical thinking, but nonetheless these loopholes are part of the game and using them can even be necessary to win.
Btw, nice screenshots, really impressive
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86wyp
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 19, 2007 02:20 AM |
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Edited by 86wyp at 02:32, 19 Apr 2007.
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You haven't tried it right? Making full use of this bug is not as easy as it seemed.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2007 10:04 AM |
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Then how about driving, swimming, and singing and all those countless abilities. They are all a matter of practice, repeated everytime, "dumb" tricks? No, They are not true skills, are they?
You still did not realize ? those are skills, because they have many differences, the way of one person practice singing is different from another, but, making fools from ai is the same for every person, things that make it different are only luck.
that's why
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Skill is everchanging thing, not always like that everytime and repeated like that everytime.
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Is it really important if you call it skill or not? Knowing such loopholes doesn't need much tactical thinking, but nonetheless these loopholes are part of the game and using them can even be necessary to win.
I don't care if they do things like that, for they too want to win, but calling things which is like that everytime + no differences as a skill, .....
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You haven't tried it right? Making full use of this bug is not as easy as it seemed.
At least it's far easier than doing that with inferno and haven (even if they take advantage of that stupidity too), imo this is almost impossible for those two. And by showing that, many people just proving many imbalance, however haven is still balanced, because of those paladins in lategame.
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Encoder
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 19, 2007 12:02 PM |
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(Hi everyone, it's my first post!)
If one concentrates on building up Irresistible Magic, Destructive Magic, Sorcery and Luck skills and chooses Enlightenment as the fourth non-racial skill, what would be the ideal fifth non-racial skill pick?
Is logistics a must, or would defense compensate warlock's normally poor defensive stat?
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 19, 2007 12:04 PM |
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Both are nice. If you play vs academy logistics is better and vs rest defense is probably better.
Btw Welcome on the forums.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 19, 2007 12:39 PM |
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Welcome! Actually it doesn't matter much as defense has 2% chance to appear while logistics 8%, an average chance. Also it depends on your way of playing. I prefer to have my units expendable and use hit&run wars if they are too weakened from a battle so I prefer to attack and retreat fast. Defense on the other hand will ensure that your units won't die fast so if you have taken it before a decisive battle it may prove better.
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2007 05:29 PM |
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real skill = intuition
The phoenix blocking titans WILL get shot by a call lightning unless it has magical immunity. Only then, the war machines are targeted and the bug can be abused.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2007 08:12 PM |
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Some people use logic for their true skill, yet some use their intuition, it doesn't matter, use anything as long as you like it, for all things have their strengths and weaknesses. I prefer to use intuition.
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