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OmegaDestroyer
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posted May 10, 2008 05:24 AM



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roy-algriffin
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posted May 10, 2008 07:16 AM

Well some people are only attracted to drugs and ignore the warnings because of the fact theyre illegal and they want the thrill of the risk.
On the other hand i doubt many teens could weather the temptation of drugs when they feel as if nothing in their life is any good.
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posted May 10, 2008 12:49 PM

Legalizing drugs doesn't mean legalizing it for teens. Simularly how porn isn't legal for children either. Sure they might get their hands on it but hey, you can punish them then.

Again, people have their own responsibility and people should not determine for others what they can or cant do when they don't trouble others with what they are doing.

And if you say certain drugs are to be made illegal because people who use them DO harm others, then by that logic ALCOHOL should be illegalized as well. The hypocricy is killing me here.

What people have to understand is that Alcohol is legal ONLY because it is a culturally accepted drug. Tradition, so you will. You grow up in a society where it is normal for alcohol to be legal - you accept it as legal and normal.

Same would apply to soft-drugs in my opinion.
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mvassilev
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posted March 01, 2009 04:42 AM

Blah... I'm for legalizing it now. My arguments against it weren't really good.
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Doomforge
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posted March 01, 2009 10:51 AM

mvass:

I'm still for full legalization myself. Any drug type.
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Darkshadow
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posted March 01, 2009 10:57 AM

Drug usage should be a death penalty offense and this thread talks about legalizing it?
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Doomforge
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posted March 01, 2009 10:58 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 10:59, 01 Mar 2009.

death penalty? what are you talking about You most likely drink legal drugs yourself (yes, alcohol is a drug.)
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Darkshadow
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posted March 01, 2009 11:02 AM

Well, I meant the hard stuff...
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Doomforge
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posted March 01, 2009 11:02 AM

Where do you draw the line then, and why?
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posted March 01, 2009 11:35 AM

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Drug usage should be a death penalty offense and this thread talks about legalizing it?


Look at it this way, with it illegal we got this:
*Backmen earning snowloads on money on it
*They are selling impure drugs(hazardus, very)
*Addicteds usually waist endless cash on it due the price

With legalisation on the same level as a booze store:
*Nobody really earning money on it
*You know what you get over the desk in the store
*It would be sold on a minimum price

Basicaly i agree to that drugs are hazardus, but hei if we can get rid of the worst criminal problems by making it legal its a better win than keeping chasing the drug dealers.
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kipshasz
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posted March 01, 2009 03:05 PM

I'm only for legalizing weed. Just look at the Netherlands.
The strong drugs like heroin should be banned. There were few heroin addicts at my group. Glassy eyes and idiotic behaviour. Were kicked out of the university a few weeks later after one of the professors found out about this.
IMO its better to sit in a pub drinking beer than injecting some crap in your veins. Booze is cheaper anyway. Of course i'm not supporting retards who drink and drive(those must be hanged IMO).
Using booze within the limits of the mind not a bad thing. The main point is that most people don't feel those limits. You know the results.
While this stupid crisis rages i'd suggest to buy cheap(but good) beer from Poland!
15 for 48 cans o.O
I was schocked when i saw the price...

Ok, enough advertising. I think that strong drugs will never be legalized. That would lead to a bearocratic disaster and govermental chaos.
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Darkshadow
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posted March 01, 2009 03:24 PM

Quote:
While this stupid crisis rages i'd suggest to buy cheap(but good) beer from Poland!
15 for 48 cans o.O
I was schocked when i saw the price...


Poland!Here we come!

*grabs a suitcase full of money*
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Doomforge
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posted March 01, 2009 03:32 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 15:33, 01 Mar 2009.

Quote:
The strong drugs like heroin should be banned. There were few heroin addicts at my group. Glassy eyes and idiotic behaviour. Were kicked out of the university a few weeks later after one of the professors found out about this.


Keep in mind that it happened even though heroin is prohibited. Did the ban change things? no. They still became addicted.

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IMO its better to sit in a pub drinking beer than injecting some crap in your veins. Booze is cheaper anyway. Of course i'm not supporting retards who drink and drive(those must be hanged IMO).
Using booze within the limits of the mind not a bad thing. The main point is that most people don't feel those limits. You know the results.


How bout, say, MDMA? things less harmful than alcohol (long-term) are banned, but alcohol is allowed. Only because it's socially accepted and because the lobby is too strong. Talk about hypocrisy here. Alcohol seems less dangerous because people pass out before they reach the critical dose. In case of drugs, overdose is easy due to lack of knowledge - and fatal. Legal drugs would put an end to that, unless an overdose would be deliberate.

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Ok, enough advertising. I think that strong drugs will never be legalized. That would lead to a bearocratic disaster and govermental chaos.


Sure, drug lords, criminals making tons of money and people dying because of lack of knowledge on the banned subject is way better.

Hard drugs are already banned everywhere, and it gives nothing. There are junkies everywhere anyway. Look, because something is banned doesn't make the problem go away. In my opinion, making stuff taboo only makes things worse.

And Poland is not cheap. It's just a bull. Unless you want to drink diluted piss produced at the back of a supermarket. That is indeed cheap.
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Darkshadow
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posted March 01, 2009 03:45 PM

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And Poland is not cheap. It's just a bull. Unless you want to drink diluted piss produced at the back of a supermarket. That is indeed cheap.


Well, it's better than being blind when yer moonshine mix goes wrong...
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blizzardboy
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posted March 01, 2009 04:42 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 16:49, 01 Mar 2009.

Legalizing drugs is the one chance we have of destroying the superpower drug cartels running rampant throughout Mexico and Latin America. The Mexican and Latin American governments are unable to stop the drug cartels within their countries, and the reason is that these cartels keep bringing in immense amounts of money from their eager American consumers. Mexican drug cartels alone made 15-25 billion in profit last year with operations in 230 U.S. cities. That's a ton of money.

The drug war has utterly failed and there's far more addicts now than there were in 1980, drugs are cheaper and in greater production than ever before, and U.S. taxpayers spend 15 billion bucks a year simply to jail drug-offenders, and another untold several billion to actually fight the failing drug war.

Drugs are bad either way, and I personally don't even drink at all, much less shoot heroine or something, but it's something that needs to be left to the liberty of an individual. This doesn't mean we can't intervene with serious drug problems at all, but it needs to be left as a medical concern and not a criminal concern. Certainly, when we convict a drug offender and send them to jail, they often walk out as a better and wiser criminal than ever before.

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TheDeath
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posted March 01, 2009 04:51 PM

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Keep in mind that it happened even though heroin is prohibited. Did the ban change things? no. They still became addicted.
The question is: how many?
You can compare it to legalizing guns statistics.

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How bout, say, MDMA? things less harmful than alcohol (long-term) are banned, but alcohol is allowed. Only because it's socially accepted and because the lobby is too strong. Talk about hypocrisy here. Alcohol seems less dangerous because people pass out before they reach the critical dose. In case of drugs, overdose is easy due to lack of knowledge - and fatal. Legal drugs would put an end to that, unless an overdose would be deliberate.
Yes it's hypocrisy and I suggest banning alcohol
No, before you scream, it's actually worse than drugs, since it makes a LOT of social problems not limited to yourself. Drunk driving, accidents, fights (you know the drunk husbands, one of my friends has a drunk dad, gets into fights, etc), and all sorts of problems.

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Sure, drug lords, criminals making tons of money and people dying because of lack of knowledge on the banned subject is way better.

Hard drugs are already banned everywhere, and it gives nothing. There are junkies everywhere anyway. Look, because something is banned doesn't make the problem go away. In my opinion, making stuff taboo only makes things worse.
I'm sure that banning bombs doesn't really stop all terrorists, so let's legalize them too.

Think of numbers, not just true/false.
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kipshasz
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posted March 01, 2009 05:33 PM

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Yes it's hypocrisy and I suggest banning alcohol
No, before you scream, it's actually worse than drugs, since it makes a LOT of social problems not limited to yourself. Drunk driving, accidents, fights (you know the drunk husbands, one of my friends has a drunk dad, gets into fights, etc), and all sorts of problems

Thats what happenens when you don't know your limits. And no self control either. Drunk drivers... Whats strange that this form of retards always survive the carcrashes, while their victims die or ar chained to a wheelchair for a life. If i recall correctly SAAB has created a carkey-alcotester which prevents the car from starting if the driver is drunk.
A cool idea, but hardly adaptable, due to the fact that old cars still outnumber new ones.
Drunk husbands... Retarded wimps. Are those retards are so afraid to engage another man in a fight? Is it better to hit a defenceless woman god damn it?! Or hit their kids? Being a stepfather is no excuse! I'd like to chain them to a radiator or so... Or just whack them with a lenght of a good hemp fiber rope...
Allready there are high cost for booze. And moonshine dealers are prospering. Raids and cash penalties aren't changing a thing. As Doomforge said banning won't change a thing
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mvassilev
mvassilev


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posted March 01, 2009 05:39 PM

TheDeath:
How about you punish the drunk drivers, domestic abusers, etc, but not punish the responsible users?
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TheDeath
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posted March 01, 2009 06:10 PM

Tell that to the victims, see if it helps.
Even if they aren't killed, what good does it do to a victim that the drunk bastard got jailed? The victim still suffered.

And mind you, being drunk isn't a very steady and conscious state of mind, so this thing HAPPENS even when the drunk dude doesn't want it. So "fear of punishment" doesn't always work).

In fact, drunk drivers ALREADY should have a fear of suicide/death. Do they care? You don't think when you're drunk. Not straight anyway.
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mvassilev
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posted March 01, 2009 06:48 PM

Why don't you debate this with yourself?
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People should be responsible for their actions (I'm talking about responsible for themselves, not for others) -- just handcuffing people to prevent them from getting their hands on "dirty things" isn't going to cut it (like, eh, where are the rights?). If people want to harm themselves or want to take drugs, you'll not going to change their mind by putting them in chains, unless they seek help of course. Your choice is to avoid drugs -- why impose it on others?
Wise words! I can hardly believe it was you who said that.
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