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posted May 12, 2008 02:12 PM |
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I can laugh at you considering your probably very patriotic and nationalistic mother a more reliable source than a well known professor 
You call Noam Chomsky "reliable"? LOL. He is the most extreme leftist that Israel has ever had. He simply hates Israel. Today he is very old (or dead?), full of anger, hate and bitterness, after he left Israel and cut his relations with the people here. BTW, he is a professor for linguistics and language.
And my mother judges from a completely neutral view, when she writes their project and lectures at the university. There's no place for personal opinion/politics there. You haven't read her projects, and you can't tell how patriotic and nationalistic on her works.
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posted May 12, 2008 02:29 PM |
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I kind of hinted that you should read the link that I had in my previous post, it is about Ad hominem argumentation.
I only took your mother as a sarcastic example as how stupid it is to attack a person, rather than the things he/she said. That leads nowhere.
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posted May 12, 2008 04:34 PM |
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I only took your mother as a sarcastic example as how stupid it is to attack a person, rather than the things he/she said. That leads nowhere.
That man, Noam Chomsky, is just so unreliable that there is no point to attack what he's saying. It's simply untrue.
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posted May 12, 2008 06:14 PM |
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I'm sorry for intruding, this isn't really my area of expertise, but I didn't know Noam Chomsky was so unreliable... I'm sort of uninformed about the subject. I actually agreed with him on a few things and views...
I'd just like to know why is he so bad as you say. Cause Wikipedia only states his contributions to linguistics, his political views, etcetera. It doesn't show any info about bitterness or unreliability of any kind.
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posted May 12, 2008 06:30 PM |
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He is very known among the older people here.
He always know how to twist things to make things he doesn't like to come out bad. He likes to say that USA is the greatest terrorist in the world, and Israel is the same. That we all attack innocent people without a reason. I mean, what he's saying is simply ridiculous. I'll give you an example:
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Having failed to elicit the desired PLO reaction, Israel simply manufactured a pretext for its long-planned invasion of June 1982, claiming that it was in retaliation for an attempt to assassinate the Israeli Ambassador to London; the attempt, as Israel was aware, was carried out by the terrorist Abu Nidal organization that had been at war with the PLO for years and did not so much as have an office in Lebanon.
He's saying that our attack is not justified, because Abu Nidal doesn't have an office in Lebanon. But back then, Abu Nidal worked at Ashaf organization, which is the organization that we fought against in the first Lebanon War.
And that wasn't even the reason to the beginning of the war - the reason was to prevent the shooting of rockets on our towns. The assassination was just the last straw.
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posted May 12, 2008 07:50 PM |
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He's saying that our attack is not justified, because Abu Nidal doesn't have an office in Lebanon. But back then, Abu Nidal worked at Ashaf organization, which is the organization that we fought against in the first Lebanon War.
Ashaf organization, what is that exactly? I see no book of mine even mentioning it... Tell me where I can learn more about this. And can you give me the source that links Abu Nidal to this organization.
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posted May 12, 2008 08:15 PM |
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You know, this got me sort of interested 
There are some weird things about Ashaf and PLO that I found browsing the web...
Al-Assifa (I think that's Ashaf?) was jointly led by Yasser Arafat and Khalil al-Wazir, right? And Arafat was also one of the founders of Fatah, which was the organization whose military branch was Ashaf. But on the other hand, Abu Nidal, who apparently worked for Fatah, seemed to be Arafat's opponent. So how could they be opponents if they worked for the same organization?  Some sort of infighting within the organization?
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posted May 12, 2008 08:33 PM |
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Ashaf is PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) just translated to Hebrew.
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posted May 12, 2008 08:50 PM |
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If Ashaf is PLO, then what GenieLord is saying is not true. Abu Nidal began broadcasting criticism of the PLO over Voice of Palestine, the PLO's own radio station in Iraq, accusing them of cowardice for having agreed to a ceasefire with Hussein, and during Fatah's Third Congress in Damascus in 1971, Abu Nidal emerged as the leader of a leftist alliance against Arafat. This continued and eventualy Arafat expelled Abu Nidal from Fatah (wing of PLO) in March 1974.
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posted May 12, 2008 09:10 PM |
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Ashaf was a mega terror organization which contains 16 organizations. Abu Nidal was one of the 16.
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posted May 13, 2008 04:02 AM |
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All Terorrist groups are famous for being proxy groups which therein use increasingly more proxy groups to make themselves look better.
wikipedia actually has a whole page on critisicim of noam chomsky]
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Dershowitz and David Mamet have also claimed that Chomsky tolerates violence against Israelis.[24] Dershowitz claims in The Case for Israel, that Chomsky has falsely referred to Palestinians as "indigeneous people" and Jews as "immigrants", held double standards on racism by his association with Robert Faurisson and simultaneous accusations of racism against defenders of Israel, and for giving Israel the whole blame over the 1948 refugee crisis.[25]
Chomsky has also been criticized for his alleged support for militant organizations such as Hezbollah which use antisemitic rhetoric. "Philosophically, of course, anarcho-socialist Chomsky has almost nothing in common with Hezbollah, which seeks to establish an Iranian style theocracy dominated by coercive enforcement of sharia religious law," wrote Tzvi Fleischer in The Australian in 2006, "But as Chomsky ... [has] demonstrated many times ... anti-Americanism trumps everything else."[6].
Criticism of Chomsky's stance on proposed Israel-Palestinian conflict solutions
Although he regularly condemns the Israeli government's actions in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, Chomsky has recently come under fire[26] from some pro-Palestinian activists for his advocacy[27] of the Geneva Accord, which it is argued rules out a one-state solution for Israel-Palestine and negates the Palestinian right of return. Chomsky responds to this by arguing that the right of return, while inalienable, will never be realized, and stating that proposals without significant international backing—such as a one-state solution—are unrealistic (and therefore unethical) goals[citation needed]:
I will keep here to advocacy in the serious sense: accompanied by some kind of feasible program of action, free from delusions about "acting on principle" without regard to "realism"—that is, without regard for the fate of suffering people.[
Heres the page Critisicim of Noam Chomsky
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posted May 13, 2008 12:12 PM |
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Ashaf was a mega terror organization which contains 16 organizations. Abu Nidal was one of the 16.
And the proof of this mega terror organizations existence is where? And it ceased to be a mega terror organization when?
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posted May 13, 2008 02:15 PM |
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Ashaf was a mega terror organization which contains 16 organizations. Abu Nidal was one of the 16.
And the proof of this mega terror organizations existence is where? And it ceased to be a mega terror organization when?
Ashaf had been a terror organization, and it's still partly is, but since it has gotten the control on some areas of Gaza and the West Bank, and since Abu-Ma'azen (which is a calm and moderate person) stands in its head, you will be able to hear of terror actions of separate organizations only (Fatah, Hamas...).
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The PLO may be cited as a terrorist organization by Israel, but that doesn't mean it is one. USA also declared Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. They are not so in the eyes of the international community. I must go back a page and look at your claims against PLO, as now I know that it actually is the same as Ashaf.
And the fact remains, that Abu Nidal was NOT part of this non-terrorist organization at the time Israel attacked Lebanon. Abu Nidal organization had been at war with the PLO for years!
Edit. a strange typo, Nidal not Nadir
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posted May 13, 2008 04:18 PM |
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The PLO may be cited as a terrorist organization by Israel, but that doesn't mean it is one. USA also declared Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. They are not so in the eyes of the international community. I must go back a page and look at your claims against PLO, as now I know that it actually is the same as Ashaf.
And the fact remains, that Abu Nadir was NOT part of this non-terrorist organization at the time Israel attacked Lebanon. Abu Nidal organization had been at war with the PLO for years!
You call an organization that shoots rockets on our houses not during a war a "non-terror" organization?
And Abu-Nidal (you're saying Abu Nadir, are we talking about the same man?) was the most extreme organization of Ashaf. He claimed the rest of the terror organizations in Ashaf didn't fight Israel enough, although they did. He was allied with them, but didn't agree with the way they are doing things.
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posted May 13, 2008 05:14 PM |
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What you obviously can't understand is that he was a freelance contractor. You take a palestian terrorist, and that gives you free hands to bomb any palestinians. Typical.
He was not, I reapeat, he was not allied with PLO.
"Mahmoud Abbas was so angry that he stormed out of the meeting, followed by the other PLO delegates, and from that point on, the PLO regarded Abu Nidal as a mercenary." (1973)
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posted May 13, 2008 05:33 PM |
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What you obviously can't understand is that he was a freelance contractor. You take a palestian terrorist, and that gives you free hands to bomb any palestinians. Typical.
We don't bomb any palestinians. If you listen well, you'll hear that Israel only bombs headquaters of terror organizations. We have never bombarded innocent people, except of one mistake in the first lebanon war. If the headquarters, like in Hizballa's case, are inside a residential neighborhood, we let the citizens to know two days before, so they can leave their houses. That's the best that we can do. Remember, they don't tell us to leave our houses when they shoot rockets on us. The difference is that we fight against soldiers and commanders, and they fight against civillians.
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He was not, I reapeat, he was not allied with PLO.
"Mahmoud Abbas was so angry that he stormed out of the meeting, followed by the other PLO delegates, and from that point on, the PLO regarded Abu Nidal as a mercenary." (1973)
Maybe, but in 1982 (not 1973) they were allies.
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posted May 13, 2008 07:23 PM |
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Maybe, but in 1982 (not 1973) they were allies.
And I am sure that you can give me the proper evidence supporting this newly found friendship. I'll be waiting for that.
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posted May 13, 2008 07:40 PM |
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Maybe, but in 1982 (not 1973) they were allies.
And I am sure that you can give me the proper evidence supporting this newly found friendship. I'll be waiting for that.
I find the information on the books that we have in the livingroom. Sometimes I use my mother's knowledge. But I'm sure that you'll be able to find it somewhere in the internet, if you search. Search for neutral reports and not for people's opinion.
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posted May 13, 2008 07:49 PM |
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I thought so you wouldn't cooperate. I take that claim as false then. I have found nothing that supports that claim.
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