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posted May 25, 2008 08:10 AM |
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Yeah, we get that you don't like Jewish people, Faith.
Thats all just my own opinion! You cannot thread me what I must like or dislike! As I cannot make you!
You and your country are the supporter of Israel, but i stand on the other side! just a big difference of opinion, face it LOL!!!!
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Lexxan
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posted May 25, 2008 10:05 AM |
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Only that people like you will commit genocides as soon as they are in a position of power.
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Coincidence? I think not!!!!
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Minion
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posted May 25, 2008 02:10 PM |
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About the Golan Heights
On Thursday Syria said Israel had indicated it would be prepared to withdraw from the Golan Heights in return for peace.The office of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has declined to comment on the reports, but Mr Olmert has said that he is interested in peace in Syria.
Israel and Syria remain technically at war, although both sides have recently spoken of their desire for peace.
Source BBC
So I take it that you folks are against this? (GL and Royal)
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posted May 25, 2008 02:30 PM |
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So I take it that you folks are against this? (GL and Royal)
Definitely.
Actually, polls show that 75% of the Israelis against giving the Golan Heights back, because:
1. We don't believe that Syria actully wants peace with us. It wants the Golan heights back. After it gets it, they will break the peace.
2. Controlling the Golan heights gives a great advantage stragetically. Syira had used it to bomb our towns in the valley before we took it, and we believe that it will do the same thing again.
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posted May 25, 2008 02:57 PM |
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2. Controlling the Golan heights gives a great advantage stragetically. Syira had used it to bomb our towns in the valley before we took it, and we believe that it will do the same thing again.
It was 1967... You have a long memory.
And argh, I just love the moral justification of occupation with "strategic importance".. Like Russia could occupy the south of Finland because of strategic importance. After all, we were hostile against them in the second world war 
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GenieLord
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posted May 25, 2008 03:15 PM |
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And argh, I just love the moral justification of occupation with "strategic importance".. Like Russia could occupy the south of Finland because of strategic importance. After all, we were hostile against them in the second world war
When they use the area to bomb towns under it and you can do nothing about it, "strategic importance" means a lot.
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Minion
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posted May 25, 2008 03:23 PM |
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And argh, I just love the moral justification of occupation with "strategic importance".. Like Russia could occupy the south of Finland because of strategic importance. After all, we were hostile against them in the second world war
When they use the area to bomb towns under it and you can do nothing about it, "strategic importance" means a lot.
When was the last time they bombed you from there exactly?
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GenieLord
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posted May 25, 2008 03:29 PM |
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And argh, I just love the moral justification of occupation with "strategic importance".. Like Russia could occupy the south of Finland because of strategic importance. After all, we were hostile against them in the second world war
When they use the area to bomb towns under it and you can do nothing about it, "strategic importance" means a lot.
When was the last time they bombed you from there exactly?
Up to 1967. Time doesn't mean a thing here. They'd do the same if they had the Golan throughtout that time, in my opinion. Now they have more accurate cannons that probably reach to a longer range. Why should we take the risk? We can only lose from giving the Golan Heights. We don't really need a peace with Syria, not if that means we should give up such of an important area. We are stronger and they know it.
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posted May 25, 2008 03:39 PM |
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So I take it that if some country x was strong enough, and took Jerusalem away from you (and some area around it), you would see it as ok? They were stronger so they are entitled to Jerusalem, am I understanding you correctly?
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GenieLord
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posted May 25, 2008 03:43 PM |
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So I take it that if some country x was strong enough, and took Jerusalem away from you (and some area around it), you would see it as ok? They were stronger so they are entitled to Jerusalem, am I understanding you correctly?
Hehe, tell me what is "ok"?
They certainly did it. Jordan rulled most of Jeruslam until 1967 because they were strong enough. We play the same game. When we were strong enough, we captured it.
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Minion
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posted May 25, 2008 03:50 PM |
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So I take it that if some country x was strong enough, and took Jerusalem away from you (and some area around it), you would see it as ok? They were stronger so they are entitled to Jerusalem, am I understanding you correctly?
Hehe, tell me what is "ok"?
They certainly did it. Jordan rulled most of Jeruslam until 1967 because they were strong enough. We play the same game. When we were strong enough, we captured it.
But 2 wrongs don't make right...
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antipaladin
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posted May 25, 2008 04:34 PM |
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its not that we dont accept arabic people in israel.
israel still has meny arabic population those are called israeli also.
in places like haifa,akko and tell aviv and jerusalem have meny none jewish israely population. not to mention citys and towns that are arabic also but regardless under israeli law,that belong to israel and see themselfs like tghat,such as shfraam,nezrath elit and sachnin (mostly christian arabs though) . we also have villiges like Tamra' and Iblin. meny israeli arabs join the aramy and the police force,and im not even talking about the Druze population.
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GenieLord
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posted May 25, 2008 05:35 PM |
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Anti is showing an important thing.
Show me one Arab state that would agree to accept 1.7 million Jews (with full citizen rights) like we accept the Arabs here (again, I'm not talking about the Palestinians!).
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There's no right and wrong in war. You can say whatever you want, but in war people get killed and that's not so right already. We are in war. The fact that we've managed to deal with it for 60 years doesn't make us to supoerheroes that should make everything right and fair.
If there's a chance that giving the Golan heights will hurt us, we won't give it. We care about our people more than about the Syrians and what's fair for them.
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posted May 25, 2008 06:01 PM |
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War. War never changes.
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
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GenieLord
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posted May 25, 2008 06:07 PM |
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Indeed.
It only becomes more dangerous as the years pass.
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posted May 26, 2008 03:29 PM |
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Anti is showing an important thing.
Show me one Arab state that would agree to accept 1.7 million Jews (with full citizen rights) like we accept the Arabs here (again, I'm not talking about the Palestinians!).
I fail to see the relevance to the topic... maybe you want to tell me? I am sure you know that the situation of Israel is unique and really not comparable to anywhere else in the world.
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There's no right and wrong in war.
I certainly do not agree to that, and neither does the intenational community. There are such things as war crimes for example, those presented by International humanitarian law, most importantly the Geneva Conventions.
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GenieLord
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posted May 26, 2008 03:41 PM |
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Anti is showing an important thing.
Show me one Arab state that would agree to accept 1.7 million Jews (with full citizen rights) like we accept the Arabs here (again, I'm not talking about the Palestinians!).
I fail to see the relevance to the topic... maybe you want to tell me? I am sure you know that the situation of Israel is unique and really not comparable to anywhere else in the world.
I'm trying to say that Israel is also doing a lot of amazing things for the Arabs, that they certainly wouldn't do for us. Sad that nobody can see this.
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There's no right and wrong in war.
I certainly do not agree to that, and neither does the intenational community. There are such things as war crimes for example, those presented by International humanitarian law, most importantly the Geneva Conventions.
Stll, it's a war. Obviously you've never been in one, so you don't know what it's like. It's either you dead, or the emeny. Who would you choose?
The Arabs have never had problem to breach war rules. For example, there's a rule that forbids shooting a paratrooper until it lands. So many Israeli paratroopers were killed in the air, just because we were naive and thought that they actually care about those rules. If the enemy doesn't have a war rules, we shouldn't as well. Israel still tries to avoid branching the war rules, but not when it means lose soldiers.
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posted May 26, 2008 04:09 PM |
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I'm trying to say that Israel is also doing a lot of amazing things for the Arabs, that they certainly wouldn't do for us. Sad that nobody can see this.
Sorry, but the situation is unique. The Arabs were already there! It is not like you just took 1.7 million Arabs there out of nowhere. There are Jews living elsewhere too, including Iran. I don't know about their status but they have not moved to Israel so their lives apparently are ok.
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Stll, it's a war. Obviously you've never been in one, so you don't know what it's like. It's either you dead, or the emeny. Who would you choose?
The Arabs have never had problem to breach war rules. For example, there's a rule that forbids shooting a paratrooper until it lands. So many Israeli paratroopers were killed in the air, just because we were naive and thought that they actually care about those rules. If the enemy doesn't have a war rules, we shouldn't as well. Israel still tries to avoid branching the war rules, but not when it means lose soldiers.
I didn't know such rule of war existed that you must wait until a paratrooper lands... Any link? And your logic is that if your neighbour commits a murder, you are allowed to murder as well. I know you try to avoid breaching war rules.. however some leaders can be blamed for horrible things...
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posted May 26, 2008 04:44 PM |
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If the enemy doesn't have a war rules, we shouldn't as well.
Wrong. Very wrong. Do you want to be civilized or be like the worst of your enemies?
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GenieLord
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posted May 26, 2008 06:59 PM |
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If the enemy doesn't have a war rules, we shouldn't as well.
Wrong. Very wrong. Do you want to be civilized or be like the worst of your enemies?
Again, you've never been to a war. You can't understand what it's like.
You can't let people die because they kept the war rules, and the enemy didn't and killed them.
Think that you're guarding at the battlefield, during a cease-fire and an enemy is shooting on you. If you don't shoot back, you're dead, and the enemy will be able to capture position.
You can't just shout "Stop! it's against the laws of war that tell that no fighting will be during a cease-fire! This is unfair!"
Life is sometimes unfair. Death us well.
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