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posted May 13, 2008 08:25 PM |
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Wasn't Abu Nidal sentenced to death in absentia by the PLO in 1974 for "attacks against fellow Palestinians"?
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posted May 13, 2008 10:39 PM |
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I thought so you wouldn't cooperate. I take that claim as false then. I have found nothing that supports that claim.
Calm down. 
That's why I say you have to have some knowledge to understand things better.
Abu-Nidal stood in the head of the following temporal organizations. Half of them are members of Ashaf (PLO), because the other half were before Ashaf's existance:
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Fatah — the Revolutionary Council; the Palestinian National Liberation Movement; Black June; Black September; The Revolutionary Arab Brigades; The Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims; The Egyptian Revolution; Revolutionary Egypt; Al-Asifa (The Storm), a name also used by Fatah; Al-Iqab (The Punishment); and The Arab Nationalist Youth Organization.
So when we say "Abu-Nidal", we usually refer to the actions of all the organizations mentioned above, because they are all the same one. You won't find in wiki "Abu-Nidal made this terrorist attack" but you will find "Black September made this attack"...
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posted May 14, 2008 12:32 AM |
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How is it possible that you say first that "half of these organizations are PLO" and later on you say "all of these organizations are the same"? How can only half be PLO if they are all the same  I think you have misread the article very badly.
The organizations you give are not PLO. The PLO closed Black September down on September 1973. Those groups you cited are all the same; they are all actually ANO (Abu Nidal Organization) but different names were used as cover for different operations. You seem to claim that ANO and PLO are the same, which is exactly what Chomsky laughed about, when he said that linking the assassination attempt to PLO was ridiculous. These two rival organizations are not the same, they truly dispised each other, as many of the quotes I have given show clearly.
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posted May 14, 2008 04:05 AM |
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Only if you go on the complete faith that Noam chomsky is correct. Which obviously cant be proven. But my belief is that theyre all pretty much proxy groups largely under the influence of other arab countries through funding. Nontheless, I dont see how even if theyre totally unrelated how
A:Its impossible Israel made a mistake
B: Why the hell it matters considering its a entirely hostile entity to Israel, Strategically misaligned to it. Why the hell does it need a reason to protect its strategic interests when the terrorist organizations dont?
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posted May 14, 2008 09:56 AM |
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B: Why the hell it matters considering its a entirely hostile entity to Israel, Strategically misaligned to it. Why the hell does it need a reason to protect its strategic interests when the terrorist organizations dont?
Because Israel has signed international treaties to respect human rights. Because Israel should have responsibility for it's actions. Because if someone shoots a rocket in an Israeli city you don't should catch the shooter not carpet bomb a whole town to ashes.
You see, you should be the moral force.
Along with great power comes great responsibility.
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posted May 14, 2008 12:40 PM |
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How is it possible that you say first that "half of these organizations are PLO" and later on you say "all of these organizations are the same"? How can only half be PLO if they are all the same I think you have misread the article very badly.
I think you have misread my post very badly.
Part of the temporal orgizations (about half of them) were allied with the organizations of Ashaf (PLO) throught the years.
But you're focusing on the wrong part.
Even if the assissanaion didn't happen, we attacked them because they were shooting rockets on our houses from south Lebanon.
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posted May 14, 2008 12:59 PM |
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The Secretary-General reported to the Security Council (S/14789, S/15194) that from August 1981 to May 1982 inclusive, there were 2096 violations of Lebanese airspace and 652 violations of Lebanese territorial waters.
On June 4 and 5, Israeli F-16 planes bombed Palestinian refugee camps and other PLO targets in Beirut and southern Lebanon killing 300 and wounding 500. This was in responce to the 21 April 1982 incident, after a land mine killed an Israeli officer in Lebanon(!) For the first time in over ten months, the PLO responded by launching artillery and mortar attacks on civilian centers in northern Israel. On 6 June 1982, Israeli forces under direction of Defense Minister Ariel Sharon invaded southern Lebanon in "Operation Peace of the Galilee."
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posted May 14, 2008 01:15 PM |
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Not again. 
They shot rockets on us, we responded. And we didn't hurt innocent civillans or bombarded refugees camps (except of one case, which we took responsibily of and paid Lebanon a lot of money for).
That's what happened, and I'm not going to argue with those "sources" you're bringing.
What reason would we have to attack them first, to kill innocent civillans?
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posted May 14, 2008 01:22 PM |
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What reason would we have to attack them first, to kill innocent civillans?
Same reason as they would have to bomb you up
I'm not taking sides, I hate to be a specific 'country' lover (or nationalist), it's one of the thing I keep away from. I like to judge people, not by their government.
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posted May 14, 2008 01:41 PM |
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What reason would we have to attack them first, to kill innocent civillans?
Same reason as they would have to bomb you up
We are less desperate - we fight against their soldiers and commanders, not against their civillans.
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posted May 14, 2008 01:51 PM |
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We are less desperate - we fight against their soldiers and commanders, not against their civillans.
It's a thing out of our grasp called politics 
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posted May 14, 2008 01:53 PM |
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Hehe, we call it "policy".
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posted May 14, 2008 01:57 PM |
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What reason would we have to attack them first, to kill innocent civillans?
Same reason as they would have to bomb you up
I'm not taking sides, I hate to be a specific 'country' lover (or nationalist), it's one of the thing I keep away from. I like to judge people, not by their government.
And Patriotism is better?
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posted May 14, 2008 01:59 PM |
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And Patriotism is better?
LOL I despise patriotism
I said I don't like to take sides
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posted May 14, 2008 02:00 PM |
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What reason would we have to attack them first, to kill innocent civillans?
Same reason as they would have to bomb you up
I'm not taking sides, I hate to be a specific 'country' lover (or nationalist), it's one of the thing I keep away from. I like to judge people, not by their government.
And Patriotism is better?
All these can be positive and negative things. It's dependent on how you use them.
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posted May 14, 2008 02:08 PM |
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That's what happened, and I'm not going to argue with those "sources" you're bringing.
LOL, that is very noble of you, especially when you have repeatedly refused to give me any sources of your infromation. 
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posted May 14, 2008 02:19 PM |
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I invite you to my house to read all the books in the livingroom. Or you can call me and talk to my mother.
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posted May 14, 2008 02:35 PM |
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HEeh, thank you very much, however my Hebrew is quite limited nowadays so I'd just be browsing through the pages and trying to look somewhat intelligent. But you know, if you have some english books there you are free to give the names of the writers and the books, we have books here too you know.
As for your mother, hehe, I think she has used sources too. Unless she was actually there. So I'd be interested of what she is basing her doctorate on. But I don't think it would be fruitfull for me to hear her say the same thing you just said "thats what happened"
As a sidenote, I found it lovely that you have all your livingroom filled with books about 1982 Lebanon war... There really have been writers crazed about the subject then 
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posted May 14, 2008 02:44 PM |
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As for your mother, hehe, I think she has used sources too. Unless she was actually there. So I'd be interested of what she is basing her doctorate on. But I don't think it would be fruitfull for me to hear her say the same thing you just said "thats what happened"
As far as I know, she uses books and articles of Tel-Aviv, Haifa, and the Open Univesities. But those things are also adventised on the internet, so I'll ask her and let you know.
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As a sidenote, I found it lovely that you have all your livingroom filled with books about 1982 Lebanon war... There really have been writers crazed about the subject then
Who said only Lebanon war? Israel had many wars, and the first Lebanon is only one, and the least interesting one, in my opinion. The war in 1973 and in 1948 are way more interesting. And I'm saying that in spite of the fact that my uncle was killed in 1982. I was called after him. I have his first and his last name.
Let me tell you a bit more about what happened in 1973. I'm sure that it will be very interesting for you.
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posted May 14, 2008 06:55 PM |
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Oh I just came to think that your first post is missing one picture at least. That is the situation in the area in 1947
Arab population at the British mandated Palestine was 1.7 million in 1945. When Isreal declared itself independent, a bloody war erupted between Isreal and neighbouring arab countries. A great amount of palestinian arabs fled or were departed from the territories of the newly founded jewish state. Estimates vary between 600,000-900,000, the official estimate of the UN is 711,000. Over 400 Palestinian villages were completely destroyed in the occupied territories and the property of the refugees were confiscated. Occupied territories here refers to the ares that were not allocated to Israel by the UN.
That could be the beginning face of your article (just so that people understand why Palestinians mourn the day you celebrate) Oh and that 1973 looks interesting, I'll look at it with more detail later.
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