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Darkshadow
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Cerise Princess
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posted July 02, 2008 01:54 PM |
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Never play ubi maps, they are imbalanced.And HCM is Heroes Community messenger.
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 02:00 PM |
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Never play ubi maps, they are imbalanced.And HCM is Heroes Community messenger.
Everybody on Ubi plays on Ubi maps  Where am I supposed to get "
Balanced" maps?
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 02:20 PM |
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Wow, after one day off cause my comp was infected by very serious threat that forced me to format it, now this thread is 8 pages long with pointless arguments?
Well, i'm too lazy to read all the pages, but at least let me tell my simplest opinion, inferno is not overpowered in reality, though it's far too imba in dream fight (yeah, i mean that one year army fight againts one year army or more with ultimate skill, pendant of mastery, etc).
Something in previous page caught my attention, someone said that inferno is the hardest opponent for orc, yeah right, 1000% agree with that.
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Edwin_Yang
Known Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 02:32 PM |
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 How is Inferno and Necropolis hard to play? Inferno and Necropolis are the ONLY factions I can beat heroic AI on small scenario maps. Academy and Dungeon are really hard and confusing  Well I guess its a matter of taste.
I'll try to explain:
1. nobody plays heroic
2. nobody plays/cares for AI in this thread or anywhere balance is concerned
3. Dungeon is one of the easiest to play, just abuse destructive and dominate all the noobs who can't think of a proper counter
4. Academy is one of - if not THE - most powerful factions in this game and it shines in both earlygame and endgame
5. It is _not_ a matter of taste. One can have a better or worse matchup, but to say certain factions are overpowered/weak when they in reality are not is not a matter of opinion, it's a biased opinion, and a wrong one.
Hope that clears things out, cheers. 
sorry to go off the topic, but i just cannt understand why academy is good in late game too?sure it is excellent in the ealy game ,but lacking of logistics and poor defence will make it hard to survive in the late game though the mini-arts will help a lot.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 02:39 PM |
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Your attack and defense boost via mini arties already make your creatures equal in attack and defense with its counterpart in other faction, ofc with the highest possible knowledge. If there are still a huge difference, then it's because heroes'arties, enlightment, and boosters in adventure map.
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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted July 02, 2008 02:40 PM |
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Edited by kermit at 17:46, 02 Jul 2008.
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@Edwin_Yang
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sorry to go off the topic, but i just cannt understand why academy is good in late game too?sure it is excellent in the ealy game ,but lacking of logistics and poor defence will make it hard to survive in the late game though the mini-arts will help a lot.
Mini arties that give crazy initiative + light buffs + divine vengeance + rez + arcane armor / phantom forces + ... ok I'll stop here 
Back on topic:
Inferno weakness? Inferno troops are vulnerable to dark much like stronghold. Gating is not always an option, dark spells may get resisted by the oponent. If the hounds/nightmares get killed before they get to move the game is most likely over. In terms of might they have alot to offer in mid/late game with damaging fast units but if their speed can be countered they are very frail and will fall fast.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 02:46 PM |
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True, mini arties already eliminate the gap beetwen the pimary stat of academy heroes and other faction's heroes primary stat (attack and defense only).
Academy also wield multiple magic, supported with perks like mark of wizard, and it can counter both might and magic faction, imo academy is one of the strongest faction in late game (if not the strongest one).
About inferno, nightmare usually has a very high chance to act before it is killed. Hound usually has good chance to act too, but not as often as nightmare. Yeah gating is not always an option againts fast faction, unless you have urgash call (if you dare to get it ofc).
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted July 02, 2008 03:01 PM |
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Well ToH is Turnament of Honor. It is a competitive bracket style competition. Emporers are people who have a whole lot more wins vs humans then losses.
Hamachi is more stable then Ubi.
And HCM is like an instant messager that Heroescommunity has. Look at the very top of the screen (where it says things like Good Morning/Evening/get some sleep/etc. It is a tab in that area.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 03:08 PM |
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[quoteBtw in toe sylvan is the only faction which is stronger than the others but this is another topic
Can someone please open a sylvan is overpowered thread? Thank you.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 03:23 PM |
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Excuse me, I'm not putting in doubt your skill but perhaps you didn't read any of this thread. First of all I'm not planning to play Inferno, as I mentioned I like Stronghold and will continue with Stronghold.
You suggest me to play on Ubisoft against humans, but I have been playing on Ubi since the day I bought my game. No I do not win all the time, In fact I'm horrible at duels. But when playing on a map like Grab and Run or Former Friends I usually win or at least almost win. Even though I spent more time practicing with Stronghold and I enjoy playing with Stronghold more, I don't see any way to compare to other players if I don't choose my faction as Necropolis or Inferno. That's one of the main reasons I made this thread, also when playing Stronghold vs. Stronghold or Stronghold vs. Sylvan or Haven its allot easier for me then Stronghold vs. Inferno. Actually the latter is near impossible for me. (When I say that playing with Inferno is easier I don't mean playing with Deleb is easier, all the Inferno heroes seem to have a huge advantage compared to others). Then again since the day this thread was made nobody really gave me any tips on how to counter Inferno, just talk about Inferno is so underpowered.
This comment above shows me that you might be a weak Stronghold player if u can loose with Stronghold on former friends against inferno. Usually the one who takes the middle wins the game. Since inferno does not have shooters, only lvl 4 succubus, normally Stronghold has much more chance to rule the middle. You need to develop your town focusing to that. Upgrade centa, upgrade goblins. I have not played this map for a long time, but I would bet that you can take the middle earlier than inferno. Then you just simply use lvl 7 creatures to destroy opponents army.
Skilling is random, yet you can influence it, you will lean it if u understand the method.
Try to focus on war machine skill and leadership.
In the final battle: Dont waste your attack on gated ones unless you cant do any other useful move.
Btw former friend is the lamest map ever.
Ps. I remarked my advices, I hope they will help you win against infeno.
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Edwin_Yang
Known Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 03:24 PM |
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well, thanks for your opinion.
dont think slyvan is overpwoer in late game, both haven and dawf can play against slyvan in late game.
if you start with the 1 level town, the infor will have a very hard creeping except deleb. the point is... infor cannt suffer too much losses in the battle i think ,becaus the imp,which is always be the first target of the independent is very important for the final battle.and it has no way to counter the shooters without the ballist.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 03:31 PM |
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Before ToTe, Sylvan imbalance comes from that familiar ground, aura of swiftness and wyngaal. Its avenger require some luck, its luck is slightly better than other faction, so i'm not putting these things into consideration. In ToTE, crystal dragon is a serious threat.
Still, you are right, haven and especially fortress are not affected.
Inferno creeping with lv 1 town without deleb is still easy (even in heroic, ofc it require some trick), unless you play on very poor map.
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Edwin_Yang
Known Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 03:41 PM |
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do you mean take the advantage of the AI's ignoring of the gating units?i know it but it takes too much time and could be risky sometimes if the independents get the moral .or maybe i am not that experinced in infor.this is not my first faction.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 03:53 PM |
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do you mean take the advantage of the AI's ignoring of the gating units?i know it but it takes too much time and could be risky sometimes if the independents get the moral .or maybe i am not that experinced in infor.this is not my first faction.
This was not for u, but to Zwok.
But your remark is ok, against AI its a good technique.
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 04:19 PM |
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The more posts this threads gets the more confused I get. I'm going to stick with Stronghold and see what I can do with it.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 04:20 PM |
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Where exactly do you get confused?
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 05:07 PM |
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Where exactly do you get confused?
I'm not sure myself, everybody keeps claiming bout inferno being weak, underpowered, handicapped. Just can't see any possible way to play better with other factions. Perhaps I'm handicapped
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 05:38 PM |
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Who said that? Show'em to me!
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 05:48 PM |
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Who said that? Show'em to me!
Shouldn't you be busy with stalker abusing? >:-E
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted July 02, 2008 05:50 PM |
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If you open a dungeon is overpowered thread... 
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This thread is pages long: 
