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posted January 04, 2016 08:18 PM |
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You could say that we saw this coming... and yes, Benitez should not have been appointed in the first place.
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posted January 04, 2016 08:24 PM |
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Well Duh.
So now Guardiola to Man City, Pellegrini to Real, Benitez to Chelsea where they will either relegate next season or fire him after 3 weeks.
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posted January 04, 2016 08:47 PM |
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fuChris said:
Pellegrini to Real
That won't happen, not for all the money in the world. Pellegrini is most likely still hurt by his sack and wouldn't accept anything from RM again.
Honestly, no top manager can take RM post now, either they have been sacked by Flo before or they won't take it because of how snowed the club is. I mean, 42 days (after losing 4-0 at home in el Clแsico) ago Florentino said in a press conference:
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"We believe in Benํtez. He is the solution."
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"Benํtez will not be substituted, because he isn't the problem, but the solution. Zidane will coach RM, but now is not the time."
It's hard to support RM when the club is run like that. What a joke 
Florentino will have to offer obscene amounts of money (even for his standards) to get the next coach (I don't see Zizou lasting long). However, money can only get you so much.
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posted January 04, 2016 09:51 PM |
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Zidane said:
I want to thank the club and thank the president for giving me the opportunity to train this club. It’s the best club in the world with the best fan-base in the world. I want to do my very best to ensure that this club at the end of the season will have a trophy. I will be working hard with all the players and I think it will go well. I am looking forward to working with everybody tomorrow. Tomorrow is when the work starts. Thank you to everyone. It is an important day for me, it’s an emotional day, even more emotional than the day I signed as a player for the club. I will put all the heart I have into this job for the club. Thank you very much.
He obviously doesn't really care about being manager at Real just like Ronaldo does not cari much about winning the Ball d'Or. They don't care at all.
It's just that they get really happy when things work out for them.
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posted January 04, 2016 11:37 PM |
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Benitez is a good manager and his results with Real Madrid have been alright. The thing is, whether or not he should be appointed (I think it was good because I rate him as a manager) ANY manager who goes to Madrid is already halfway out the door anyway because of that stupid president.
Most managers in the last 10 or so years have gotten results, won trophies and still got the sack. Joke of a club with the worst set of fans with wanting Rafas head all season and worst Hierarchy of any business in the world with sacking successful managers for no reason. I hope they rot.
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posted January 05, 2016 12:31 AM |
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It's not like many other "big clubs" have kept their managers for a long time these days. You have to please the big guys in charge or go out... risky business. After Wenger retires, I kind of expect Arsenal to enter this cycle. And of course, this whole thing is more and more like a business, not even about fans anymore.
There are exceptions, but that's the rule. Nothing against Benitez or his managing, but I expected this, and I'm not even a RM fan.
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posted January 05, 2016 01:22 AM |
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William said:
Benitez is a good manager and his results with Real Madrid have been alright. The thing is, whether or not he should be appointed (I think it was good because I rate him as a manager) ANY manager who goes to Madrid is already halfway out the door anyway because of that stupid president.
Most managers in the last 10 or so years have gotten results, won trophies and still got the sack. Joke of a club with the worst set of fans with wanting Rafas head all season and worst Hierarchy of any business in the world with sacking successful managers for no reason.
Results doesn't matter when the team looked woefully in every high-stakes match. The team has taken a step back in the defensive department, and if it wasn't for Navas saving his sorry ass so many times in the first half of the season, he'd had been fired way earlier. Worse of all, he Lost the dressing room months ago, there's no way RM could realistically speaking win either of the remaining titles under his management. A change was needed.
I agree on the other parts tho.
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posted January 05, 2016 06:21 AM |
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Results doesn't matter when the team looked woefully in every high-stakes match. The team has taken a step back in the defensive department, and if it wasn't for Navas saving his sorry ass so many times in the first half of the season, he'd had been fired way earlier. Worse of all, he Lost the dressing room months ago, there's no way RM could realistically speaking win either of the remaining titles under his management. A change was needed.
I agree on the other parts tho.
The team has lost 3 La Liga matches, just three. Atletico Madrid have also lost 3 and Barcelona have lost 2, granted they have one game in hand over both Atletico and Real. Real also have the highest goals for in the competition with 7 more than Barca with just 3 more conceded than them. Please, tell me how they have looked woeful. Yes they lost to Barca 4 nil but Barca also couldn't beat Villareal just like Real Madrid.
You could also argue that if it had not been for De Gea then Man Utd would have gone through Van Gaal as well but Navas is doing his job well. Like I said, 3 more conceded than Barca, they are hardly faltering in the defensive department.
He lost the dressing room? He never stood a chance. No manager does BECAUSE the entire dressing room is full of egos who like to play an individual game. Yeah it's all well and good having all these world class players but you can hardly blame Benitez if they all have their own agenda. That's neither here nor there because it isn't only Benitez who has been sacked. Could you say the same for Ancelotti who is one of the best managers there is?
Real Madrid could win because they're not even out of it. The problem with you, and so many other people who have been talking about Real Madrid is that you think they're in an absolute crisis and they're way down in the table. They're third, 2 points behind Barca and 4 points off Atletico. They aren't struggling at all and a win in the league would have been entirely possible.
People were judging Benitez before he'd even started the job and that is where the downfall came. He never stood a chance with the fans, the ridiculous board that they have and even the players who are way too egotistical for any manager to really be able to handle. The entire club is toxic from the board down and it's a shame because I do like Real Madrid but something isn't right. The sooner Perez, who is the MAIN problem, leaves the club the sooner stability will come into play and the club will be fine again. It's no good getting great managers in and then sacking them for ridiculous reasons.
We have, unfortunately, seen situations like this happen at many clubs, even my own club, Liverpool. We literally brought in Roy Hodgson after we got rid of Benitez and that was one of the worst decisions that I think we've ever made, probably the worst was getting rid of our infamous 'Boot Room' which helped steer our club to European success as well as domestic success and we haven't seen a title since then. After Roy we got Dalglish who helped steer the ship. We unfortunately finished 8th in that season but made the League Cup Final which we won over Cardiff and made the FA Cup against Chelsea which we lost but, in my opinion, should have won as we dominated them. We then brought in Rodgers who helped get the most exciting style we have played in years in 2013/2014 helped, in no small part, to Suarez and Sturridge. Still fuming that Suarez didn't win Ballon D'Or but it's more politics rather than the actual best player in the world which he was. Anyway, we kept up with Rodgers for 3 years which is good at stabilising a club even though we weren't getting results and then we brought in Klopp. We have a stable club and we will get up there again under Klopp but it will take time. What we are doing now is what a football club SHOULD be doing.
Look at Manchester United now. Van Gaal was doing so poorly but they kept with him. A lot of people hark on about the SAF days but when he started, he had 4 years of absolute mediocre results and players and so on. They gave him time and look what happened during his reign. Amazing CV and one of the best managers of all time (I still regard Bob Paisley as the greatest manager of all time). This is where Real Madrid should follow. Give the managers time instead of sacking people left right and centre when certain results aren't going the way they think they should be. They are constantly a threat, pretty much ALWAYS in the top 3 or top 2 at the very least and pretty much always winning a trophy of some sort. They are not in a crisis, they aren't struggling at all. They're just a toxic club with way too many egos around the place with a trigger happy president which is not good at all. I suppose this is what happens though when you have a team full of stars (individuals) rather than a team that is mixed (stars plus your hard working players). Ridiculous situation and this should never have happened. The least they could have done was waited until the end of the season and then sack him if he wasn't delivering trophies. Even then, I'd still disagree because I believe in giving managers a chance. Yes, even I gave Rodgers a chance until his last game against Everton where we drew and that was enough for me.
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posted January 06, 2016 03:20 PM |
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chelski are notorious for appointing assistant managers, and sometimes it worked. 
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posted January 06, 2016 03:23 PM |
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Chelsea are a scum of a club. Honestly, I'd love to see them get relegated and see all their fans who only started supporting them since 2003/2004 go back into hiding. They were a nothing club, like Man City, who only got big after a bit of money got pumped into them and a lot of their plastic fans think they've always been one of the big clubs. Haha.
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posted January 06, 2016 03:31 PM |
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Same here, really. And they can not buy history, like the one of LFC and Arsenal and yes Man Utd, and many other English clubs that now are not like they used to.
Chelsea have their sugar daddy, so they can have players and trophies and fans that go with the flow.
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posted January 06, 2016 03:37 PM |
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Aston Villa are more successful than Chelsea are. If it was out of history in the EPL then Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United and Aston Villa would be the big four. It's unfortunate to see Aston Villa where they are now. I hope my club, Liverpool, can overcome this ridiculous injury crisis that seems to be cursing us at the moment. Having no fit Centre Back is ridiculous.
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posted January 06, 2016 07:55 PM |
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@William: Come one, by the same logic Sunderland is a bigger club than Chelsea because they won more league titles.
Chelsea were winning FA Cups, European trophies and participating in the Champions League even before Abramovici came. Pre-Abramovici Chelsea were stronger than Aston Villa has ever been in the last twenty years.
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posted January 06, 2016 09:09 PM |
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Chelsea isn't bigger than Liverpool, Arsenal, United, others are debatable but I would still say they are not a historical big club, and when Roman is gone, I wonder how many fans will stick.
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Zamfir said:
@William: Come one, by the same logic Sunderland is a bigger club than Chelsea because they won more league titles.
Chelsea were winning FA Cups, European trophies and participating in the Champions League even before Abramovici came. Pre-Abramovici Chelsea were stronger than Aston Villa has ever been in the last twenty years.
Winning their trophies and so on you say before the Abramovich era?
Honours before Abramovich:
First Division (EPL Title): 1954/1955
FA Cup: 1970, 1997, 2000
League Cup: 1965, 1998
Community Shield: 1955, 2000
As for European Success:
UEFA Cup Winners Cup: 1970-1971, 1997-1998
UEFA Super Cup: 1998
So that is hardly what we'd call a successful history is it? And that is EXACTLY what I was talking about: History. Not talking about the past 10 or so years where they have been successful, I'm talking about history. That is why so many of the fans of Chelsea are plastic because they think the exact same thing as you. They were successful, they won trophies. They didn't. They've always been a poor club, always battling or getting relegated and then getting promoted and sitting mid table or so.
Now, if you'd like, lets compare that history that Chelsea had before Abramovich came in and compare that with the club that I said, Aston Villa, just to enforce my point even more:
Titles: 189394, 189596, 189697, 189899, 18991900, 190910, 198081
FA Cup: 188687, 189495, 189697, 190405, 191213, 191920, 195657
League Cup: 196061, 197475, 197677, 199394, 199596
European Success:
European Cup (Champions League): 198182
European Super Cup: 1982
So, Chelsea had 11 trophies before they got bought out and all the plastic fans started coming in. Aston Villa has 21 Trophies before the period of Chelsea getting bought out. Chelsea always having European success and getting in Champions League before Abramovich? I don't think so. Considering back then I believe it was only first place in the Premier Division that got to go to Champions League (or it may have included second as well but pretty sure it was whoever finished title winners). Considering Chelsea only won the title ONCE hardly proves you right in that they were successful in Europe.
So I think what I said has got merit, you just missed the point entirely. I know my history about the English Premier League to know you were dead wrong about this one. Please do your research beforehand.
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posted January 07, 2016 12:30 AM |
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... And they still would not have become any more successful without the $$$ from Abramovich. I don't think it's up for debate.
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posted January 07, 2016 12:41 AM |
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Exactly my point hence why they are only successful in the last few years. When the plastic fans come up to me and say they've always been successful or one of the big 4 clubs I always point to that sort of information that I provided and they sit down pretty quickly.
If there's one club I hate the most it's definitely Chelsea because of the kind of club that they are and because of the fans. I don't like Arsenal either but I respect them. I hate Man Utd but heavily respect them for what they have done and been through in the past and that's one of the biggest rivalries that there is in my opinion, definitely in English Football anyway. Forget the Merseyside derby. SAF said he wanted to knock Liverpool off their perch and he did it and I can't remember a time when the games were ever friendly or both teams not giving their absolute all to knock each other off in the match.
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posted January 07, 2016 01:31 AM |
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I dislike Man Utd but can't deny their achievements under SAF, and Liverpool are a club I've always respected. And I guess I don't quite understand the strong hate for Tottenham that Arsenal fans should have. I guess I should be from London or at least the UK to "get it"
I just hate Chelsea, bottom line. 
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posted January 07, 2016 01:44 AM |
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I don't really like Tottenham much but that's because I have a few mates that are Tottenham fans and always going on about how good they are. They are also a nothing club.
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posted January 07, 2016 02:04 AM |
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Soccer is *the void*, if you are not a person who kicks a ball. It's just waste of time to *watch* as a painted sphere changes its velocity. Though I must admit that watching some moving objects might help to forget existing problems.
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