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Doomforge
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posted September 24, 2009 07:38 PM

OFFS: when I was 6, I wanted to be a ninja turtle. When I was 9, I wanted to be a terminator. When I was 12, I wanted to be Saiyan. Now, should my parents listen to my whims? Should they listen if you exchanged "Saiyan" for "Girl" ? No, they were smart enough to teach me I'm just myself. And the fact that I don't have a shell, lazor-eyes or vagina doesn't make me a different person than I really am/want to be (No offense Mytical of course!)
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posted September 24, 2009 08:49 PM

@Doomforge

By telling that you where not mature enough to make decisions for your life the ages you listed have not anything to do with my reply.

Maturity is again, not about age (though it's more probable as you age, you'll se many people up in high ages, who acts a lot like five year olds when they get upset, and you'll see a lot of young kids, who've to take responsibility of their parents, due to the society they live in are doing bad, and they take care of their parents quite well, etc.), but about knowing what you truely want.

To know what you truely want, it's required that you can produce arguments that can convince yourself (and in case you're under age, your parents as well).

I suppose you wanted to be a ninja turtle because you thought a life with cool karate attacks and pizzas 24/7 would be very stimulating for your emotions, again it's not an argument in itself, because if you tried to take the debate with yourself, you'd realise that you'd be in life danger in every single episode (which is practically once a week in real time I believe), you'd maybe argument that the whole story is pre-written, and you win, but then you've just given up your entire existance for your emotions, because you've lost your free will, all you do, think, etc. are something someone else decided you should.

Oh and if you meant being a turtle in real life, well then go through the same debate, this part with some few other stuff separated, and you'll quickly realise why it's most likely not something you want.

It's the whole "reflective" part I'm setting equal to maturity, and what is truely required is for you, before any important decision (which this must be said to be) go out in the world and challenge your arguments through the arguments of others of why you want to do this.

If you after this, still are convinced by your own arguments, that's logical defined, and not defined through emotions (through pleasure contra punishment), or other outer stimuli (people affecting you to do stuff you suddenly start believing you really want to do), and no argument from other people have given you any concerns, then I'd say, no matter your age, that you're mature enough.

Again, as it's with the law, you've to convince those who've responsiblity for you as well, when you're younger.

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posted September 24, 2009 09:10 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 21:12, 24 Sep 2009.

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Maturity is again, not about age (though it's more probable as you age, you'll se many people up in high ages, who acts a lot like five year olds when they get upset, and you'll see a lot of young kids, who've to take responsibility of their parents, due to the society they live in are doing bad, and they take care of their parents quite well, etc.), but about knowing what you truely want.


hormones. mental development. 6 yo kid CAN'T BE MATURE, okay? So can't be 12 yo. It's not possible. No matter how grown up he seems, or how fast his hormones reacted (there are kinds of abnormalties that make you hormonally "adult" at the age of 11 or so, I'm aware of it, yes.), his mind doesn't work the way yours or mine does.

I don't agree with your opinion on "when you really want something, you're mature". No, just no. Again, as a kid I wanted to be a ninja turtle. You say, I didn't know everything and didn't think it through. I say, so does the 12yo kid. What does he know about sex and adult life, anyway? Shouldn't he experience that first? Going by your logic, he should. Just "wanting" isn't simply ENOUGH. I really wanted to be a ninja turtle. Seriously.

I really think he should get experience, THEN try to make such a drastic change. See Mytical, his final decision after 33 years of living (or so), thus, a lot of life experience. Not a whim, definitely.
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posted September 24, 2009 09:28 PM

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hormones. mental development. 6 yo kid CAN'T BE MATURE, okay? So can't be 12 yo. It's not possible.


Maybe, maybe not, but I can't take your word for it, you've to convince me.

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I don't agree with your opinion on "when you really want something, you're mature". No, just no. Again, as a kid I wanted to be a ninja turtle. You say, I didn't know everything and didn't think it through. I say, so does the 12yo kid. What does he know about sex and adult life, anyway? Shouldn't he experience that first? Going by your logic, he should. Just "wanting" isn't simply ENOUGH. I really wanted to be a ninja turtle. Seriously.


You're right that experience would in this case most likely have something to say (i.e. the person does not know what it completely means to be male nor female), however knowledge can be passed through without experience, and often the whole argument of "you must experience before you can know" is wrongly used (I know a couple of friends of mine who ended up several years being addicted to drugs, because of that sentence), so it's not something that convince me either.

I'll give you it's unlikely that anyone of that age is mature enough, but I won't admit it to be certain.

One of the main problems I've with this argument, is that it's not something I'd do according to the logic I use to define my life, whereby it's hard for me to get an understanding of the arguments that goes through a person in such a situation, and can therefore only talk about it in very general terms.

And again, yes it's most likely the parents who're really immature, rather than the kid who's very mature, but the opposite may still be true, no matter what you claim is possible or not, unless you make convincing arguments of course.

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posted September 24, 2009 09:31 PM

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Maybe, maybe not, but I can't take your word for it, you've to convince me.
Look around at kids.
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posted September 24, 2009 09:35 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 21:35, 24 Sep 2009.

OFFS: I could try But we don't know the case well enough. We don't know the kid, his parents, the whole case... like JJ said, media are forcing us to take sides in this "dilemma", even though technically it's not our business. So obviously my arguments will be, ugh, very general. Perhaps there is something we omitted (of course due to the way media portray things...) that would make me agree on the whole gender change stuff at the age of 12 in this case. But since we don't know, we can either discuss at general point of view (not this specific case), or not discuss at all, and I prefer the former.
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posted September 26, 2009 10:05 AM

Well, I guess it is my turn to chime in, although this thread is supposed to be about so much more .  Everybody is a bit different, so I don't know how 'mature' the person in question is.  I do know that I knew I was 'different' at an early age.  Of course it helped that when I was old enough to walk I was helping do farm chores, but I was quite mature for my age.

I was always a 'tomboy'.  Climbing trees, getting in the mud, wrestling, etc.  The only time I was 'girly' was sunday for church, and I hated being 'girly' then.  Society had no right to determin how I acted just because of my gender.  One Christmas my brother got a fire truck, I got dolls.  10 minutes later, my brother had the dolls and I had the fire truck .

Yes, at 10 I knew I was in the wrong body.  Because we were poor, I knew that I was stuck with what I had, but that didn't mean I was happy about it.  In fact I was miserable. Now, I didn't have anything against girls (obviously), but nature makes mistakes.  Before the bible thumpers jump on me..I'll leave that at that and not bring up deformed children or the like.

So I can see how somebody young can know they are in the wrong body.  Don't get me wrong, I do think that people should have to go through the psychological testing they do before they even consider you for the operation.  If you can put up with all the BS, then yes..you are sure that this is something you want to do (Trust me when I say, it would be 'funner' to have a daily root canal without numbing...)

There are things the parents did wrong, there are things the school did wrong, and there are things the parents of the other students did wrong.  The only one not wrong here was the child.
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posted September 26, 2009 08:02 PM

Sidenote (): Nature doesn't make mistakes, it just has a different "plan" than humans do. "Deformed" children (at least from human perspective) are part of evolution.
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posted September 26, 2009 10:06 PM

You know, nature is not exactly a sentient being. Of course mistakes happen in nature.


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posted September 26, 2009 10:27 PM

You can't say it's a mistake if you don't even know what's NOT a mistake.
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posted September 26, 2009 11:52 PM

*eyes TheDeath*

devil's advocate... right?
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posted September 26, 2009 11:53 PM

I prefer to call it deduction.
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posted September 27, 2009 12:37 AM

So if a Komodo Dragon would be born with three heads it would become a Hydra (the mytholgical one, not the corall thing)?
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posted September 27, 2009 01:26 AM

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So if a Komodo Dragon would be born with three heads it would become a Hydra (the mytholgical one, not the corall thing)?


"Child Dragon", now what are you mixing language for?
Nature is throwing dices when evolving, however it does consider needs a little(ex: more fur for colder environments).
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posted September 27, 2009 02:32 AM

It doesn't consider anything. It's just that those without fur tend to not survive in the cold.

Anyway enough off topic.
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posted September 27, 2009 12:22 PM
Edited by baklava at 12:23, 27 Sep 2009.

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"Child Dragon", now what are you mixing language for?

Komodo dragon


On an unrelated note, I find it hard to believe that everything in evolution is accidental; that every day a human with the tiniest notion of horns is born and that if everyone would mate with him, and if every offspring happened to have proportionally bigger signs of horns, we'd end up as horned creatures.
I don't know, it seems like an awful small chance. Then again it's an awful large chance that I got it all wrong.
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posted September 27, 2009 12:35 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 12:36, 27 Sep 2009.

Bak: For humans it wouldn't work well. We don't inbreed. And with most mutations being recessive, that kinda destroys the possibility.
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posted September 28, 2009 10:58 AM

Horns are a silly example, but a long time ago it could have happened if for some reason it was preferred in mating. For example, about 10,000 to 11,000 years ago, humans had uniformly dark hair and eyes. Maybe if you were living then it would have seemed equally unbelievable that humans some day have blond hair. But you are right that because we are a global and prosperous species now, mutations don't spread that well because there would have to be a shortage of something (eg.men) to increase the pressure of sexual selection.
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posted September 28, 2009 11:01 AM
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For example, about 10,000 to 11,000 years ago, humans had uniformly dark hair and eyes.


Yeah, and what a shame those stupid mutations occurred & spread, dark hair/eyes is still considered top attractive


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posted September 28, 2009 11:09 AM

So is blond ya know And what about red hair?


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