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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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posted July 01, 2015 03:34 PM

Trogdor said:
I've been noticing the rainbow-tinted avatars on Facebook lately and all I have now is a question:

If you don't use the rainbow tint, will people think you're a homophobe?

What kind of a stupid question is that? You will be viewed not only as a homophobe, but also as a racist, sexist, anti-semite, a seal clubber, a puppy murderer and other evil things.
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Darkshadow
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posted July 01, 2015 04:23 PM

More importantly why are you on facebook
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leiah2
leiah2


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posted July 01, 2015 11:25 PM
Edited by leiah2 at 23:25, 01 Jul 2015.

I'm Bi and have not used the rainbow thingy so no I do not think so

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Kipshasz
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posted July 02, 2015 09:49 AM

leiah2 said:
I'm Bi and have not used the rainbow thingy so no I do not think so

that's only because you're also a part of 'non-traditional' orientation. So you don't count.




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leiah2
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posted July 02, 2015 11:58 AM

I meant it like I don't think so because most people I know who have a 'non traditional' sexual orientation don't use the rainbow pic on fb and therefore they don't care if people use it or not and you will not be called a homophobe if you do not use it. It would be ridiculous.

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Kipshasz
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posted July 02, 2015 01:37 PM

That's because they think with their heads. Which is good.
These rainbow tints, pride parades and other garbage.
Normal homosexuals don't give a turd about stuff like that. All they want is to carry on with their lives and be left alone.
That's the position my gay colleague and the vice-principal of my school are taking. Which is good.


You shouldn't take the rainbow tint pic serious, we were just joking around on the issue.
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Celfious
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posted November 23, 2015 09:26 AM
Edited by Celfious at 09:39, 23 Nov 2015.

Equality sure whatever
Taking the rainbow though? That sucks and is unfair!

I want to pointout a factor here, hetrosexuals don't typically flaunt around their sexuality. Equality goes both ways. I don't imply we should keep our preference internalized and secret. My point is be, be comfortable, but... Don't act like anyone should care or pay attention. Pride is one thing- pushy and obnoxious is another.

And rainbows are amazing. It sucks so bad that it represents gay pride.

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Doomforge
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posted November 23, 2015 12:04 PM

Any community can claim any symbol as "theirs". Up to you if it ultimately means anything to you.

I don't mind homosexuals mentioning they're gay in any way. It would be hypocrisy in a society where getting married and having a child is ostentously shoved down other people's throats on all those social sites like facebook.

Once you close facebooks, twitters and other "in your FACE" sites that are mostly about bragging with various social "successes", it all goes away.

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Trogdor
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posted November 24, 2015 01:36 PM

Celfious said:
I want to pointout a factor here, hetrosexuals don't typically flaunt around their sexuality. Equality goes both ways. I don't imply we should keep our preference internalized and secret. My point is be, be comfortable, but... Don't act like anyone should care or pay attention. Pride is one thing- pushy and obnoxious is another.


Since when did the LGBTIQ+ community become pushy? If anyone is pushy, it's their opponents a.k.a. religious fundamentalists.

Doomforge said:
Any community can claim any symbol as "theirs". Up to you if it ultimately means anything to you.


The debate about the rainbow flag is about as divisive as that about the confederate flag. The hypocrisy is that those who want one flag to remain are the same who complain about the other.]

Due to a LGBTIQ+ festivalk being held in Adelaide until the end of the month, all of South Australia's local councils, even in regional areas such as mine, had to erect rainbow flags for the duration. The result? Some councillors hade lost their collective snows about the whole thing.
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posted November 25, 2015 05:47 AM

I will just repeat what I said in the VW-ed thread: As long as they're not aggressive in any way, they can live any way they want to. I don't think forbidding them from being legally recognised helped anyway, quite the contrary.

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Celfious
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posted November 25, 2015 07:58 AM

I am not going to force my views to you. I am not seeking views of people blabbering what everyone needs to accept either.

Oh hetros moreso in the past yet still are pushy with their view as well.

feel free to feel free...

im not an expert.

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posted December 13, 2015 12:48 AM

Celfious said:
I want to pointout a factor here, hetrosexuals don't typically flaunt around their sexuality. Equality goes both ways.
You don't notice heterosexuals flaunting their heterosexuality because it's seen as normal. If you take a critical look at the culture - from movies to interactions within families - you notice that heterosexuality is expected and even when other sexualities aren't explicitly condemned, they're still othered.
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posted December 12, 2016 01:27 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 01:40, 12 Dec 2016.

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Oh Lord


The world's gone mad....where do I start?

Correct me if I'm wrong but from my experience with transgender friends is that they don't want to be connected with their previous 'physical features', and that's putting it very lightly, They're not in a 'neutral gender'. One in particular used to get quite aggressive even at slight jests. As such idk who this policy is aimed for but it's certainly not the interests of transgender people, this is not a positive step forward imho (I could be catastrophically wrong on this, but I've only my own experiences to go on). There should always be gender divisions and unique attributes, but they should never be exclusive to one sex. I.e be who you want to be/who you are, but this policy strips people of their unique gender identity.

The whole point of being transgender is that you were born into a different physical body than your idendity (not gender, gender is roles and norms associated with each sex, it is not strictly exclusive to them, so you may have female or male traits but does not identify with that sex), thus you're not in the middle, you simply become yourself as you identify strongly with a particular gender. That's not gender neutrality or even 'transgender' you're simply manifesting a gender that's balanced depending on your identity/personality. You don't call a butch woman transgender, despite her having strong male attributes. You can't strip people of gender roles, you simply have to elimate the stigma associated with having strong qualities of the opposite sex. They're trying to bury the issue by stripping people of their language and modes of expression.

Let me rephrase there's two genders male and female, every individual will have a blend of both masculine and feminine traits and that forms the basis of our identity. Being transgender has nothing to do with gender, it's to simply make your reflection in the mirrior represent who you are inside, so you yourself don't necessarily become more feminine because you became a woman (but you will be percieved as such and reaffirms your identity). Your identity remains the same postop.


If anything we should change the term transgender (or hell remove it altogether it's not needed imho). They didn't spend thousands of dollars to be who they want to be just for people to tell em they've only gone half-way and they'll never reach their dreams. That's monstrous imho.

I need some input from others, as I said I've only my own experiences to rely on.

Edit: Made several edits to the whole script.
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posted December 12, 2016 03:07 AM
Edited by mvassilev at 03:08, 12 Dec 2016.

Some transgender people are binary (i.e. they're born in the bodies associated with one gender, but want that of another), but others are nonbinary and don't want to be identified with either gender. But I agree that the Oxford student union could've said it more carefully - most trans people aren't nonbinary. "Ze" (or other nonbinary pronouns) tend to be welcomed by nonbinary people, but are indeed insulting for binary trans people.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted December 12, 2016 03:33 AM

That's true and would've been perfectly fine if it was a voluntary thing i.e if you want to be called that, making it compulsory for all is draconian.
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fred79
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posted December 12, 2016 05:21 AM

to me it's snowing stupid. if you don't want to be associated with a different gender, then don't look like a different gender. period. if you don't have the cash for a sex change, then rob a bank or something and make it happen.

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Elvin
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posted December 12, 2016 06:28 AM
Edited by Elvin at 06:47, 12 Dec 2016.

But we already have a neutral pronoun. It

Lol this ze business is such a mess. I do not have contact with transgender people but to me it looks so.. misguided? If anything it will provide ridicule.
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posted December 12, 2016 08:02 AM

As far as I know the whole "ze" thing has nothing to do with transsexuals, but with the kinds of people who want to be called demi-boys/girls or other such names. They are unaligned with a rigid idea of male or female norms and for some reason believe that that makes them a member of a new sex which needs new pronouns.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted September 23, 2017 02:37 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 14:48, 23 Sep 2017.

There are three important categories to consider when it comes to gender study aspect of sociology/psychology/politics (and even history). They are: gender, sex and sexuality, these cannot be used interchangably on an intellectual level, although in common culture this might be a norm (for instance sneezing in an effimate way is consistently regarded as 'gay', by people around me, despite having nothing to do with sexuality).

Now lets unpack each of the terms.

Gender attributes are not fixed, they will vary depending on situation, enviroment etc, as do people i.e you may be more effimate/masculine in certain scenarios or actions or simply the attire you wish to wear and these may not be consistent, so placing you on a solid scale between masculine/feminine is very difficult and doing so runs the risk of inaccuarcy. Gender is then fluid and its specifications depend on circumstance and other people's mentality (and your own). For instance the way you walk, talk dress (and all the multitude of actions) are gendered, but one must never assume or presume gender from that. Some go even more debased and pronounce your sexuality from what sometimes might be a very situation specific approach. It's just one of the multitude of incorrect 'common-sense garbage' approaches that people accustom themselves in order to simplify a very complex phenomena, sometimes simply because everyone else does as well.

The term 'transgender' is just pure garbage as well, since everyone is transgender (varying degrees of both genders that we utilize based on situation and either by direct choice, or simple disposition). Trans-sex is also an inapplicable alternative to refer to those who have undergone surgery to place themselves in the most appropriate reflection of sex (again very little to do with gender or sexuality, such people have no need for any additional sex labels, they're either man/woman, male/female). Trans-sex (commonly transgender) individuals are those who have the physical attributes of both sexes, thus using such a term for those who are solidly in one camp is very promiscuous approach.

Next we have sexuality, one of the hardest things to encompass given how we defined the previous two terms, and in order to understand the depth of sexuality we must break with common understanding and accept that it is a very deep rabbit hole. First is having an understanding of what attracts you and what deters you, the basics of everything related to sexuality. Given how gender can be so fluid and unrelated to sexuality, we may find ourselves attracted to a specific gender profile (that we sense using our hearts and guts rather than intellect). Sometimes these 'profiles' can exist in people from either of the two sexes, and if we are not deterred by physical characterists then you're classed as bisexual. The reason I put not deterred as opposed to attracted is that I've actually found that many homosexual/bisexual couples I've had the pleasure of speaking to, do not actually have sex - they're not interested in doing so. Therefore they may be attracted to some unobserved gender, but may not engage in a physical relationship with the same/opposite sex (I assume this is a niche though, but nevertheless it is still useful). Therefore when it comes to sexuality, going for common concepts like I like men, I like women (or as my buddies put it 'I like the pusseh') are very incorrect way of looking at it and it disturbs people when all they have is the common metrics, they know something is terribly wrong with their understanding, but they can't place it. This is because physical characteristics only make up one aspect of attraction (for some the impact of which is very small). The common retort/stock answer to questiosn of sexuality is 'I love women' (men/both) is just a clueless response, but one that most people need, since as I said, this topic is a very deep rabbit hole. It is hard enough finding out about yourself and your own attractions/revulsions, trying to understand even just a single other's is a very labourous process made harder by common misconceptions and false understandings of this very complex property of human beings. Thus, sexuality has very little to do with attraction/revulsion based on sex, for most it will be about sex characteristics, big/small breasts/thighs/feet/butts, but even these are just the tip of the iceberg, simple attraction classifications we use for a complex process (unless you are so bestial that all you're looking for is a hole, but only a certain kind of hole or in some cases even any from any species).

It is sad though, putting a lot of work and effort into it will likely be for naught, you gain a higher understanding of yourself and others, but it will rarely be reciporal, this is why I do not believe in Plato's "philosopher king" (and Machiavelli's, but his is different), since gaining a higher understanding naturally means you're out of touch with the false reality of others i.e it is rendered inapplicable/disfunctional despite being correct/much more precise. This post's intention was not to change hearts and minds, but simply to contribute, and those that have the aptitude to take it on will hopefully be better off for it.
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posted September 23, 2017 03:45 PM

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Trans-sex (commonly transgender) individuals are those who have the physical attributes of both sexes, thus using such a term for those who are solidly in one camp is very promiscuous approach.


Well actually today "trans" people still have the physical/sexual organs of their "original" sex most times so it isn't wrong this way.
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