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Frederik360
Frederik360


Adventuring Hero
Looking to the sky
posted January 09, 2011 05:05 PM

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Hell-knight looks like cuz it's corrupted elf/human. guess demon lords at that time couldn't access the surface world so this mortals did their tasks...or it's just a Kirils model with helmet


In the description we have been given it states, that it is any individual swayed by the power/belief/view on the world. This includes ANY race not just elf or human, so that dosen't answer why it looks so much like the paladin armor. I know the colour and effects are presumeable meant to illustarte corruption.  

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Aosaw
Aosaw


Promising
Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
posted January 09, 2011 06:37 PM

Personally, I think that Ubisoft made a mistake by asking for our input.  It was an interesting experiment, but in the end it's not our job to design the game; it's the developer's job to make a game that works, is compelling, and tells the story that they set out to tell.

This constant checking in feels too much like a child asking its parents for their approval - and that's not our job.  We're the fanbase, Ubisoft; not the focus group.

I enjoy hearing about all the features in advance; but I would much rather hear about everything all at once, so that I can see how it all fits together.  Show me the presentation of the full, working game.  Convince me that this game is worth playing.

All this pussyfooting about creature names and faction art-styles is getting in the way of the creation of the game itself.  Just make the damn game; if people don't like it, they'll say so, and you'll know better for next time.  That's what game development is all about.  If you're in the industry, you should know what makes a good game by now.

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted January 09, 2011 06:46 PM

Well as you noticed they were more focusing on making the game than public relations and you saw what happened
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Omnipotence
Omnipotence


Hired Hero
posted January 09, 2011 08:14 PM
Edited by Omnipotence at 20:16, 09 Jan 2011.

The infusion of demonic magic into the individuals could cause drastic changes in phsyical appearance beyond just red colored eyes, so much so that they could be unrecognizable. It is a possibility at least.

As for the hype of the game and the disappointment with any of a lot of things, Ubihole's main mistake was the incredibly slow, and at times not even on purpose, revealing of news as well as the way the news is presented. If they had revealed factions as a whole at a time in combat videos or something including magic and the such, there would be far more hype. Not just because it is more exciting and telling than some concept art, but because it provides the look into a faction(s) as a whole, not just the individual parts. This prevents over-done nitpicking and argument over facts such as that the ghoul 3D model is slightly bugged when standing still. It also would lessen the issue of similar models for, though the concept arts may have near identical designs, in gameplay I'm sure (or at least am hoping) that they are notably unique.

However, despite these obvious facts, it does not undo what has already been done and that means that the hype of this game is completely shot. As a optimistic and loyal follower of the series I will buy the game for its numerous upsides despite the flaws (of which, yes, there are quite a few). Fingers crossed Monday and next week will shine a new light on the game as Ubihole begins their long trek back from nothingness.
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Hotarubi
Hotarubi


Adventuring Hero
posted January 09, 2011 09:24 PM

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I'll just repeat what I said over at Celestial Heavens.

This artwork definitely doesn't look the same as what has been released by Ubi, so I'm gonna reserve judgement until their version comes out. Right now, these look very primitive to me and it wouldn't be fair to judge if this was a very early version.

Also, which unit do you all think will be the shooter? I'm having a hard time telling from this artwork. If I had to hazard a guess, it would be the Coral/Pearl Maidens or maybe the Snow/Ice Maidens.



Thanks for the words of wisdom. Agreed.

I also agree with the latter part about not being able to tell who might be the shooter/support. For all we know, the Kappa could be a shooter and the  Coral Maiden might be support.

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Seddy
Seddy


Known Hero
Spinner of delicious cupcakes
posted January 10, 2011 01:45 AM

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This is sure gonna be a change, since all inferno portraits previously have been demons


Not to spoil, but a fairly large part of the original V campaign circulated around the fact that not all Inferno heroes are demons (Some, let's say humans for example, obtain magical armor as a gift from the Sovereign for their devotion as cultists. Without it, it would probably be hard to survive in Sheogh).

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Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted January 10, 2011 03:13 AM

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Personally, I think that Ubisoft made a mistake by asking for our input.  It was an interesting experiment, but in the end it's not our job to design the game; it's the developer's job to make a game that works, is compelling, and tells the story that they set out to tell.

This constant checking in feels too much like a child asking its parents for their approval - and that's not our job.  We're the fanbase, Ubisoft; not the focus group.

I enjoy hearing about all the features in advance; but I would much rather hear about everything all at once, so that I can see how it all fits together.  Show me the presentation of the full, working game.  Convince me that this game is worth playing.

All this pussyfooting about creature names and faction art-styles is getting in the way of the creation of the game itself.  Just make the damn game; if people don't like it, they'll say so, and you'll know better for next time.  That's what game development is all about.  If you're in the industry, you should know what makes a good game by now.
Maybe I miss something. What was this dangerous suggestion made by the community and accepted by Ubisoft that ruined the game? And when did they ask for our opinion in the first place

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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 10, 2011 04:53 AM

Okay I have been complaining about this faction for far too long(1 & 1/2 day). What I'm fail to mention is that this faction is presumably going to damn fun to play. What makes me think this? Well they seem to have 3 casters or support units, the Spring Spirit, the Ice Maiden and the Coral Maiden. I don't really know how these units will work, but the despite the fact that I really HATE these units, I can sense that they will turn out to be really AWESOME gameplay-wise.
I also hope they will have some great animations.

If some of these units turn out NOT to be casters then I hope they will be speedy units. The rest of the lineup seems pretty slow to be honest, Kappa, Shark Warrior...
The Kirin is probably fast though.
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Demonge
Demonge


Known Hero
more than meets the eyes
posted January 10, 2011 04:54 AM

I agree with Jaba.

After all that I've read recently, I must say that I do find those arts great, all of them.
I long for the definitive ones, and to more info about that faction, but it really looks awesome to me.
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Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted January 10, 2011 05:13 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 05:15, 10 Jan 2011.

The curious thing is that Naga have two maidens and one female elemental in their line-up. How do they breed with such configuration is beyond me.

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MarceS
MarceS


Hired Hero
posted January 10, 2011 05:24 AM

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Well they seem to have 3 casters or support units, the Spring Spirit, the Ice Maiden and the Coral Maiden. I don't really know how these units will work, but the despite the fact that I really HATE these units, I can sense that they will turn out to be really AWESOME gameplay-wise.
I also hope they will have some great animations.

If some of these units turn out NOT to be casters then I hope they will be speedy units. The rest of the lineup seems pretty slow to be honest, Kappa, Shark Warrior...
The Kirin is probably fast though.


Actually if they have 3 caster/support and 1 semi shooter (kappa) they are left 3 meele (sharky, samurai san and the kirin). That makes me a bit afraid that those meele units will melt like butter against such meele intensive lineups like Inferno or Stronghold. This of course depends on the abilities of the supports.
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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 10, 2011 05:32 AM
Edited by Jabanoss at 05:36, 10 Jan 2011.

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The curious thing is that Naga have two maidens and one female elemental in their line-up. How do they breed with such configuration is beyond me.

I don't know about the elementals(Spring Spirit & Ice Maiden) but I have an intresting theory about the reproduction amongs the Nagas.


In this theory the Coral Maiden is a female Naga and a Wave Warrior is a Male Naga. So the two of them mate(in whatever way that is) and this strange thing starts happening to the female Naga(Coral Maiden). Tiny snakes is beginning to grow out of the females head, like hair they appear on the sitting there in a big number. There they grow and wait until they are strong enough to go into the world on their own. When the time comes for them to leave the safe haven of their beloved mothers head, they fall off in the the sea. They will leave behind their birth place, the place which once was the their home, their life.
This is where the next step in the Nagas life begins. They will now spend their live alone in the big green waters of the Jade Ocean. There they will feed from small particles and later when they get bigger they will feed on the fishes that sea has to provide.
The Final step in the Nagas life comes when they are fully grown and have gained all the characteristics of a Naga. When this happens the young Nagas will leave the sea and emerge unto the land in search for their older brothers and sisters. Once found they will have to fight in order to join the society of the elders. But if they succeed they will be among the few of the Nagas to actually have a chance to survive to full age, as many, many lives where lost from time when they all shared a place on the head of their mother...
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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 10, 2011 05:43 AM

Well I think Elvin said that the names in the artworks was outdated. So guess the developers draw the same conclusion that I did and therefor the Coral Maiden has been given another name. Simply because of the fact that it isn't a maiden. Maybe the new name is Coral Mother or Coral Matriarch.
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Demonge
Demonge


Known Hero
more than meets the eyes
posted January 10, 2011 05:47 AM

At last we have Stronghold artworks. I'm happy.
The Centaur looks beautiful.
Plus the description is full of details (we now know Titans are 'animated constructs').
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Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted January 10, 2011 06:04 AM

We know that the (Ashan) Titans are animated constructs since Heroes V.

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Mytical
Mytical

Hero of Order
Chaos seeking Harmony
posted January 10, 2011 06:10 AM

While one of the centaurs looks more like a Zebra..I approve.  Then again from the images I've seen of the Naga faction (YAY NAGA!!!!) I like as well.  More I see of Heroes 6, the more I want to play it.
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Frederik360
Frederik360


Adventuring Hero
Looking to the sky
posted January 10, 2011 06:55 AM
Edited by frederik360 at 06:59, 10 Jan 2011.

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The infusion of demonic magic into the individuals could cause drastic changes in physical appearance beyond just red colored eyes, so much so that they could be unrecognizable. It is a possibility at least.
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We have already seen pictures of kiril, who has been merged with a demon soul and he hasn't changed much in appearance at all. Can't say for sure he won't change through the campaign as the demon grows in strength, but so far that is what we have been shown.

On the magic subject, then hell knights don't excel in magic, which we also have been told. So assuming magic would change them, then it would be some other magic oriented demon casting a spell on them, and not necessarily the possession of demonic magic.    

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MarceS
MarceS


Hired Hero
posted January 10, 2011 07:06 AM

Actually the concept art of both centaurs are great. I like this new style of the stronghold with all the tatoos, markings, and shamanistic stuff on them. in H5 the upgrades with full plate armor were a bit disapointing me. Even if i admit that orcs are not that dumb as i think, theres no way that they can understand and learn the way to craft such armor

Otherwise. Just compare the artwork of this BEASTWOMEN and the artworks leaked about the naga. If they are indeed from Ubihole, i really think that they are somekind of early concept and not the ones they start to make 3D models of. So crying about the similarity of the River Spirit and the Blazing Glory should really come to an end
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Dave_Jame
Dave_Jame


Promising
Supreme Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted January 10, 2011 08:47 AM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 09:06, 10 Jan 2011.

Ahh the Lovely Centaury Ladies

One of my favorite units in this Stronghold lineup.

for 1 I never understand why is something that is from Half a Horse considered weaker than a Footman
There new position in the Elite ranks finally suits.

The Fact that they used something else as an ordinary horse is refreshing and in certain matters original.

And their oweral look is perfect. Its wild and looks mighty, but not by adding tons of Armor.

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Jabanoss
Jabanoss


Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
posted January 10, 2011 08:55 AM
Edited by Jabanoss at 08:55, 10 Jan 2011.

I agree completely, the Centaur works best as a elite unit. And the Zebra features are just awesome.
But something I wonder, why do they have horns?
I mean they are just human and horses right? not Orcs and horses?
In any case it fits them I guess, as well as the pointy ears.
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