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Adrius
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posted November 13, 2010 12:42 AM |
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The orcs are beastmen, and yet they have females.
Humanity has been referred to as "men" in many works of fiction, e.g. the kingdom of man etc... race of men...
Doesn't mean we're all asexual beasts 
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odium
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posted November 13, 2010 12:44 AM |
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Edited by odium at 00:46, 13 Nov 2010.
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My point was, why call female looking creatures beastMEN? At least call them beasts. GENDERLESS.
Because in a patriarchal society like ours MANkind (to be understood as the species homo sapiens sapiens  ) is commonly accepted to be referred to by the same term used to denominate the masculine gender of the species, ie man. Therefore when using the term beast-man, one should understand a mixture between a beast and a homo sapiens sapiens (be it male or female). 
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted November 13, 2010 12:49 AM |
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I'm just glad we are keeping our eyes on the ball.
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Aosaw
Promising
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Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted November 13, 2010 01:40 AM |
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Maybe the process of fusing the slave with the manticore changes the facial structure of the victim to make them look more effeminate. Or maybe the Necromancers simply cover their faces with a feminine mask, to make them look more uniform.
As I understand it, they're trying for a fusion between Lamassu and Sphinx with this unit; and the feminine face on the Lamassu recalls the Sphinx, as does the vaguely headdress-shaped mane we can see.
I try to remember that the unit depiction in the game is basically an Icon that represents the unit; it's not necessarily the unit itself. Otherwise it would be homogenization at its worst. 
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Zenofex
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Kreegan-atheist
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posted November 13, 2010 08:25 AM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 08:26, 13 Nov 2010.
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Because of calling them beastmen? The term defining our species is human(s). Either way beastmen does not specifically refer to lamasu, it is a collective term for the 'monstrosities' the wizards created.
That's not what I mean. Beastmen or beastwomen, Lamassu is a name of a female creature, so it can't be neutral. Like Nymph. Applying them to the same situation (artificial origin) will be like saying that experiments on captured criminals, slaves, etc. has led to the creation of many nymphs. Sounds like a long-term brothel development program, especially if they are turning men into women in this case.
Come on, even the upper part of the creature is clearly female, so even if you change the name, the model remains feminine. Is it that hard to admit that the description doesn't fit and to change it? It's plain text and will be a matter of some imagination and 1-2 minutes writing. Saying that the shapes of the body (head in particular) are changed by the transformation process to clearly female is lame.
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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 13, 2010 12:07 PM |
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It's about time that UbiHole release some interesting infos about the game! There's something wrong if we start discussing about whether Lamasus are beastmen or beastwomen ^^
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Come on, even the upper part of the creature is clearly female, so even if you change the name, the model remains feminine. Is it that hard to admit that the description doesn't fit and to change it? It's plain text and will be a matter of some imagination and 1-2 minutes writing. Saying that the shapes of the body (head in particular) are changed by the transformation process to clearly female is lame.
One could think that they used female manticores though
Also, it would be easy to imagine that the wizards used male prisoners to create Minotaurs and Centaurs and female ones for the Lamasus
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted November 13, 2010 12:27 PM |
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It's about time that UbiHole release some interesting infos about the game! There's something wrong if we start discussing about whether Lamasus are beastmen or beastwomen ^^
I believe I will have something for you in the beginning of next week.
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War-overlord
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posted November 13, 2010 01:19 PM |
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Now you're making us very curious.
Also is there any word on a demo yet? I know that a demo will at the very first be around 1 month before the release, but nontheless I think we all like to know if we may expect a demo.
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted November 13, 2010 01:21 PM |
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I have no knowledge of that sorry.
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phinex
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for sylvan
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posted November 13, 2010 04:32 PM |
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It's about time that UbiHole release some interesting infos about the game! There's something wrong if we start discussing about whether Lamasus are beastmen or beastwomen ^^
I believe I will have something for you in the beginning of next week.
It sounds like that the 4th faction will be released in the beginning of next week.Ubi said it will be released in november before,and I think it may show after all the creatures are given.
Or just refer to the new creature which will be released
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Lokheit
Known Hero
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posted November 13, 2010 04:52 PM |
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About complains of the Lamasu looking female:
As I said on another post: The Lamasu was originally a FEMALE deity. And the male version is the Sedu if I recall correctly, so it's perfectly probable this is in fact a female creature.
Oh, and about the beastmen: nearly every half species is called this way, the masculine forms are dominating on most of this things, but this doesn't mean there are not female on this species. In spanish (I'm from Spain) the word used for Man (Hombre) is also used to refer to Humans (despite there exist the word Humano, Hombre is often used to the humankind).
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phinex
Adventuring Hero
for sylvan
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posted November 13, 2010 05:08 PM |
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In Ashan£Ĵorc and beastman are two different concepts.
330 YSD: 1st Eclipse - War of the Blood Moon
Creation of the Orcs
512 YSD: Creation of the Beast-men
Beast-men (minotaurs, centaurs, harpies) are created as servants, playthings, and guards in the Seven Cities. Their stated purpose is to replace the Orcs.
Everyone can get more inf in this topic
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=18204
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Zenofex
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posted November 13, 2010 05:28 PM |
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I think some people got the impression that we are arguing about what "man" means when applied to some other word. Well, no - or at least not me. My concern is the description of the Lamassu - a creature who can't get any more female than this - which is just not good enough. It leaves the impression that these Lamas(s)u are created from all the available genetic material - be it male or female. It should link the human part of the creature to a woman explicitly. Maybe this is a bit fiddling criticism, but we already have creatures with unfitting or at least strange names and descriptions and their number just should not multiply like it does.
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Danny
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posted November 13, 2010 07:39 PM |
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Edited by Danny at 19:39, 13 Nov 2010.
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It sounds like that the 4th faction will be released in the beginning of next week.Ubi said it will be released in november before,and I think it may show after all the creatures are given.
Or just refer to the new creature which will be released
I think he means the info that will get posted here exclusively, which is neither a faction, nor a creature (according to Cepheus if I recall it correctly).
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted November 14, 2010 06:06 PM |
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Hrm, I'm really liking the art direction so far, but one of the posts in the info thread made me kinda nervous. The poster claimed that they are removing dragons entirely except for boss units as they would be "too powerful". Really hope that doesn't happen, as dragons have always been a core element of the Heroes series. :\
I'm excited for VI, but it feels like they're changing a LOT of stuff. I'm really not sure whether this is going to be good or bad yet; the series does need some innovation, but change for the sake of change is not always a good thing. The reduced amount of resources and reworked creature tiers, in particular, are making me kinda uneasy. Here's hoping all the stuff they're changing ends up working out for the better!
I'd also LOVE it if they brought back a swamp town or elemental town in any capacity; Inferno, one of the new towns from HoMM III, has made it into the new series, but Fortress and Conflux both got shafted. 
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mytheroes
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posted November 14, 2010 06:09 PM |
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Well, many people got bored by dragons actually.
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted November 14, 2010 06:18 PM |
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Well, many people got bored by dragons actually.
I understand that, but for me, dragons represent a core part of HoMM; they've been in since the beginning. I don't wish that every town have a dragon like HoMM V, that was overkill, but at least Dungeon should have one. The Black Dragon is one of my favorite creatures, and one of the oldest and most venerable; it'd be a shame for it to be gone from the game.
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Lokheit
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posted November 14, 2010 11:09 PM |
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I don't know why so many people says HoMM V has a lot of dragons when the one with mosts dragons per faction was HoMM IV.
In HoMM IV you had dragons on 4 out of 6 factions (Nature, Chaos, Order and Death). HoMM V only have Necropolis, Dungeon, Sylvan and Fortress, that's 4 out of 8 (50%). And with the black dragon there, simply because it's the classic stuff, you know he was going to be the strongest of them all, giving dungeon always the most powerful dragon.
Anyway, I loved the black dragon, but I think it will add a lot to the strategy and competitive side eliminanting the dragons (and the angel/archangel was eliminated from towns too, now we have a creature that acording to the game lore, is a lesser versions of it, probably eve not a level7 creature). So it could add more diversity on the top spots of each faction, while the dragon concept as the most powerful creature on the game still remains with them as bosses that need a powerfull army to be defeated.
I'm excited to see the Namtaru or the fire being in game, I love all the redesign of old creatures and the new incorporations. Necropolis now looks very dinamic with the change of ugly, fat, slow, zombi in favor of the new, agressive looking ghoul and the redesign of vampires and lichs. The adition of the Lamasu (probably a "level6" if we can still say that there are levels)is perfect to give them a flying elite instead of the weak for level7 bone dragon, and the namtaru is making me really curious.
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kornuletz
Hired Hero
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posted November 14, 2010 11:36 PM |
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Dragons in Heroes IV had at least very different models and abilities.
In Heroes V, the first models of dragons looked too similar, and the last one was just absurdly dumb (magma dragon).
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted November 14, 2010 11:38 PM |
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I don't know why so many people says HoMM V has a lot of dragons when the one with mosts dragons per faction was HoMM IV.
In HoMM IV you had dragons on 4 out of 6 factions (Nature, Chaos, Order and Death). HoMM V only have Necropolis, Dungeon, Sylvan and Fortress, that's 4 out of 8 (50%).
Yeah, but remember there were 12 top-tier creatures, not just 6, and the Dragon Golem doesn't really count, because it's, you know, a MACHINE.
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