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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted June 05, 2011 09:41 PM

Chaos is an essential part of "the system".
There is therefore order in chaos.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


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Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 05, 2011 10:05 PM

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Oh yeah? Chaos is but our inability to perceive patterns of order. How's that?

PS do watch the secret life of chaos on youtube, you should find it interesting.

Had a quick glance at it, I've seen it before, parts of it at least. (gonne watch the rest later cus it is very interesting, though very familiar)
But then we get into the muddied waters of defining Chaos which is actually a pretty nebulous term at it's roots when speaking mythologically (which we are) and as you pointed out, is scientifically speaking a mental construct for our own inability to grasp the facts, or at least, that is what the theory presents.

There are many ways to analyze it all, it's just as easy to argue that life itself is chaos because life is creating an imbalance between a living organism and it's enviroment. (living organisms become balanced with their enviroment when dead (which makes Ashan's Necromancers and their fascination with Order an interesting concept.))

Anyway, we've gone a bit off track.
I just said I don't like the Ashan origin story, because to me it doesn't make sense, particulairly the human-centric nature of it despite being described as dragon centric.
(as opposed to my pen-and-paper setting which is Dragon centric, mostly through the relative absence of dragons, which makes dragons much more important and imposing when they do appear.)

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Elvin
Elvin


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posted June 05, 2011 10:15 PM
Edited by Elvin at 22:15, 05 Jun 2011.

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There are many ways to analyze it all, it's just as easy to argue that life itself is chaos because life is creating an imbalance between a living organism and it's enviroment.

Oh just humans, vermin and virii Depending on whether you consider the latter as living or not

On another note a new week is upon us, I believe you will like it. It was our suggestion
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Davy
Davy


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posted June 05, 2011 10:15 PM

I wouldn't even say,that the dragon gods have to look like dragons.
I mean Asha is often said to be some kind of spider,so who says,that the other dragons look all like real dragons?

And well the reason for the human shape is simple:It has many pros.After all there is a reason why humans have so much success.And not to forget,that it would simply suck to turn HoMM into a game where everything is some kind dragon-like creature xD

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted June 05, 2011 10:18 PM

Random "Fun Fact":
Did you know the first video game boss in history was a Gold Dragon?
It kinda looked like a duck.

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted June 05, 2011 10:33 PM

Dragons are a lie, there is only triviality,
Through triviality I gain boredom,
Through boredom I gain nonsense,
Through nonsense I gain ridiculousness,
Through ridiculousness my imbecility is perceived as philosophy,
The brand name shall free me!

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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted June 05, 2011 10:43 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 23:09, 05 Jun 2011.

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I wouldn't even say,that the dragon gods have to look like dragons.
I mean Asha is often said to be some kind of spider,so who says,that the other dragons look all like real dragons?

The point is though, they are dragons, if they weren't dragons, people wouldn't describe them as dragons.
The most "alien" dragon I'd still call a Dragon is the dragon from Diablo lore, the one the Necromancers worship, forgot his name, but an interesting fellow. (Trag Oul)

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And well the reason for the human shape is simple:It has many pros. After all there is a reason why humans have so much success.

Last time I checked we were actually one of the least succesfull species on the planet, socially and technologically speaking the most advanced yes, but compared to the majority of other life forms, humans do quite poorly, we are merely the most succesful ape, which is quite a feat admittedly.
But that's not the point, the point is that Dragons, as presented in the game have loads of advantages over humans, the only advantage humans have over Dragons as presented in game is a lack of size which gives them more room to manouver in smaller areas, other then that, in Ashan, Dragons are superior to everything, which is kinda boring if you ask me.

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And not to forget,that it would simply suck to turn HoMM into a game where everything is some kind dragon-like creature xD

Very much agreed, which is another reason I do not like the origin myth, because that is what would make more sense then what it is now. (though there are other alternative options that both make more sense and are less lame)
Less Dragons = Better Dragons. (I've said that about a billion times now)

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Oh just humans, vermin and virii Depending on whether you consider the latter as living or not

No, every living organism can only survive by creating a molecular imbalance between itself and it's enviroment, the moment your body equalizes with your enviroment, you're dead, no matter what kind of organism you are.



But, on to a much more interesting topic....
So the new week is upon us and the theme was suggested by the community VIPs?!
Now this ought to be VERY interesting.

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Crayfish
Crayfish


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posted June 05, 2011 11:15 PM

Quote:
Random "Fun Fact":
Did you know the first video game boss in history was a Gold Dragon?
It kinda looked like a duck.


Dangit I can't find a picture.



That's the game it's from though.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted June 05, 2011 11:25 PM

Ahey, looks like was wrong
The dragon that looks like a duck is from a game called "Adventure", not D&D.

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Crayfish
Crayfish


Known Hero
posted June 05, 2011 11:30 PM

To be fair I think the hero and the ghoul could be mistaken for ducks

Thank goodness for improving graphics!

Looks like it could be a fun game though all the same.

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


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Look into my eyes...
posted June 06, 2011 09:15 AM

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I mean Asha is often said to be some kind of spider,so who says,that the other dragons look all like real dragons?


I think only her death aspect is where she resembles a spider goddess, she has other forms for her birth and life aspects....

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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posted June 06, 2011 09:50 AM

So, what's this week all about anyway?

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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


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posted June 06, 2011 09:54 AM

Week of Void ! Just to remind us how it was before Irina arrived

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Valen-Teen
Valen-Teen


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UFOlolOgist
posted June 06, 2011 10:32 AM

Week of Fire magic, actualy.
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Our hopes for Heroes VIII!

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 06, 2011 10:54 AM

HAHA!, Fire!

I approve of this week, it's simple, but it's interesting nonetheless.
So there are multiple ranks of spells and they aren't necessarily straight numerical increases but could be single target to AoE as shown here.

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torin856
torin856


Hired Hero
posted June 06, 2011 10:59 AM

MrDragon I think that this rank 1, rank 2 thingy means the different lines of skill tree. So Fireball will be in the second line and firebolt in the first.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted June 06, 2011 11:03 AM

Ah you're right, it's Firebolt -> Fireball.
I'm going to assume one is a pre-requisite for the other though, that seems logical.

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torin856
torin856


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posted June 06, 2011 11:05 AM

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Ah you're right, it's Firebolt -> Fireball.
I'm going to assume one is a pre-requisite for the other though, that seems logical.

Yes it can be. We saw pre-requisites in the sample picture too:


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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


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posted June 06, 2011 11:13 AM

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Ah you're right, it's Firebolt -> Fireball.
I'm going to assume one is a pre-requisite for the other though, that seems logical.

It doesn't mean you must have Firebolt to get Fireball, though it would make sense

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MrDragon
MrDragon


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posted June 06, 2011 11:22 AM

Hence I used the word, "Assume", it's just an assumption.

I think it would contribute to preventing heroes from just skipping over Firebolt in many builds, it could easily obsolete the former depending on certain game balance elements.

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