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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 (395) 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ]
Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted June 05, 2011 03:41 PM

Chaos is an essential part of "the system".
There is therefore order in chaos.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 05, 2011 04:05 PM

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Oh yeah? Chaos is but our inability to perceive patterns of order. How's that?

PS do watch the secret life of chaos on youtube, you should find it interesting.

Had a quick glance at it, I've seen it before, parts of it at least. (gonne watch the rest later cus it is very interesting, though very familiar)
But then we get into the muddied waters of defining Chaos which is actually a pretty nebulous term at it's roots when speaking mythologically (which we are) and as you pointed out, is scientifically speaking a mental construct for our own inability to grasp the facts, or at least, that is what the theory presents.

There are many ways to analyze it all, it's just as easy to argue that life itself is chaos because life is creating an imbalance between a living organism and it's enviroment. (living organisms become balanced with their enviroment when dead (which makes Ashan's Necromancers and their fascination with Order an interesting concept.))

Anyway, we've gone a bit off track.
I just said I don't like the Ashan origin story, because to me it doesn't make sense, particulairly the human-centric nature of it despite being described as dragon centric.
(as opposed to my pen-and-paper setting which is Dragon centric, mostly through the relative absence of dragons, which makes dragons much more important and imposing when they do appear.)

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted June 05, 2011 04:15 PM
Edited by Elvin at 16:15, 05 Jun 2011.

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There are many ways to analyze it all, it's just as easy to argue that life itself is chaos because life is creating an imbalance between a living organism and it's enviroment.

Oh just humans, vermin and virii Depending on whether you consider the latter as living or not

On another note a new week is upon us, I believe you will like it. It was our suggestion
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So the next time your cat leaves a bleeding, twitching corpse on your doormat, remember that she loves you and is just trying to bring out your inner predator.

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Davy
Davy


Known Hero
posted June 05, 2011 04:15 PM

I wouldn't even say,that the dragon gods have to look like dragons.
I mean Asha is often said to be some kind of spider,so who says,that the other dragons look all like real dragons?

And well the reason for the human shape is simple:It has many pros.After all there is a reason why humans have so much success.And not to forget,that it would simply suck to turn HoMM into a game where everything is some kind dragon-like creature xD

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Avirosb
Avirosb


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No longer on vacation
posted June 05, 2011 04:18 PM

Random "Fun Fact":
Did you know the first video game boss in history was a Gold Dragon?
It kinda looked like a duck.

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Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted June 05, 2011 04:33 PM

Dragons are a lie, there is only triviality,
Through triviality I gain boredom,
Through boredom I gain nonsense,
Through nonsense I gain ridiculousness,
Through ridiculousness my imbecility is perceived as philosophy,
The brand name shall free me!

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 05, 2011 04:43 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 17:09, 05 Jun 2011.

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I wouldn't even say,that the dragon gods have to look like dragons.
I mean Asha is often said to be some kind of spider,so who says,that the other dragons look all like real dragons?

The point is though, they are dragons, if they weren't dragons, people wouldn't describe them as dragons.
The most "alien" dragon I'd still call a Dragon is the dragon from Diablo lore, the one the Necromancers worship, forgot his name, but an interesting fellow. (Trag Oul)

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And well the reason for the human shape is simple:It has many pros. After all there is a reason why humans have so much success.

Last time I checked we were actually one of the least succesfull species on the planet, socially and technologically speaking the most advanced yes, but compared to the majority of other life forms, humans do quite poorly, we are merely the most succesful ape, which is quite a feat admittedly.
But that's not the point, the point is that Dragons, as presented in the game have loads of advantages over humans, the only advantage humans have over Dragons as presented in game is a lack of size which gives them more room to manouver in smaller areas, other then that, in Ashan, Dragons are superior to everything, which is kinda boring if you ask me.

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And not to forget,that it would simply suck to turn HoMM into a game where everything is some kind dragon-like creature xD

Very much agreed, which is another reason I do not like the origin myth, because that is what would make more sense then what it is now. (though there are other alternative options that both make more sense and are less lame)
Less Dragons = Better Dragons. (I've said that about a billion times now)

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Oh just humans, vermin and virii Depending on whether you consider the latter as living or not

No, every living organism can only survive by creating a molecular imbalance between itself and it's enviroment, the moment your body equalizes with your enviroment, you're dead, no matter what kind of organism you are.



But, on to a much more interesting topic....
So the new week is upon us and the theme was suggested by the community VIPs?!
Now this ought to be VERY interesting.

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Crayfish
Crayfish


Known Hero
posted June 05, 2011 05:15 PM

Quote:
Random "Fun Fact":
Did you know the first video game boss in history was a Gold Dragon?
It kinda looked like a duck.


Dangit I can't find a picture.



That's the game it's from though.

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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
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No longer on vacation
posted June 05, 2011 05:25 PM

Ahey, looks like was wrong
The dragon that looks like a duck is from a game called "Adventure", not D&D.

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Crayfish
Crayfish


Known Hero
posted June 05, 2011 05:30 PM

To be fair I think the hero and the ghoul could be mistaken for ducks

Thank goodness for improving graphics!

Looks like it could be a fun game though all the same.

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DoubleDeck
DoubleDeck


Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
posted June 06, 2011 03:15 AM

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I mean Asha is often said to be some kind of spider,so who says,that the other dragons look all like real dragons?


I think only her death aspect is where she resembles a spider goddess, she has other forms for her birth and life aspects....

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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
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No longer on vacation
posted June 06, 2011 03:50 AM

So, what's this week all about anyway?

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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted June 06, 2011 03:54 AM

Week of Void ! Just to remind us how it was before Irina arrived

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Valen-Teen
Valen-Teen


Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
posted June 06, 2011 04:32 AM

Week of Fire magic, actualy.
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Look forward HEROES VII

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
posted June 06, 2011 04:54 AM

HAHA!, Fire!

I approve of this week, it's simple, but it's interesting nonetheless.
So there are multiple ranks of spells and they aren't necessarily straight numerical increases but could be single target to AoE as shown here.

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torin856
torin856


Hired Hero
posted June 06, 2011 04:59 AM

MrDragon I think that this rank 1, rank 2 thingy means the different lines of skill tree. So Fireball will be in the second line and firebolt in the first.

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
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posted June 06, 2011 05:03 AM

Ah you're right, it's Firebolt -> Fireball.
I'm going to assume one is a pre-requisite for the other though, that seems logical.

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torin856
torin856


Hired Hero
posted June 06, 2011 05:05 AM

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Ah you're right, it's Firebolt -> Fireball.
I'm going to assume one is a pre-requisite for the other though, that seems logical.

Yes it can be. We saw pre-requisites in the sample picture too:


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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


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posted June 06, 2011 05:13 AM

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Ah you're right, it's Firebolt -> Fireball.
I'm going to assume one is a pre-requisite for the other though, that seems logical.

It doesn't mean you must have Firebolt to get Fireball, though it would make sense

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MrDragon
MrDragon


Supreme Hero
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posted June 06, 2011 05:22 AM

Hence I used the word, "Assume", it's just an assumption.

I think it would contribute to preventing heroes from just skipping over Firebolt in many builds, it could easily obsolete the former depending on certain game balance elements.

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