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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 (396) 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ]
DoubleDeck
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posted June 06, 2011 05:27 AM

I think Firebolt is a prerequisite to getting Fireball, as just like in the Earth Magic tree, you can see the arrows pointing down to the next level/rank....

I wonder what Rank 3 under Firebolt/Fireball would be? Armageddon? Inferno spell (from H3)?

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Nelgirith
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posted June 06, 2011 05:33 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 05:45, 06 Jun 2011.

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I think Firebolt is a prerequisite to getting Fireball, as just like in the Earth Magic tree, you can see the arrows pointing down to the next level/rank....

I wonder what Rank 3 under Firebolt/Fireball would be? Armageddon? Inferno spell (from H3)?

Armageddon is an ultimate skill for the Pyromancer And if you look at the screenie (of Earth Magic) there are only 2 spells that have an arrow to the next rank and these are most likely single-target --> mass spell (one of them looks like Stone Skin). That means that not every spell requires to have a prerequisite.

Also, being rank 2 means that the hero must be level 10 to get that "skill".

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MrDragon
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posted June 06, 2011 05:33 AM
Edited by MrDragon at 05:34, 06 Jun 2011.

That assumes there is a rank 3 spell directly related.
I think other fire direct damage spells will come in suitably different shapes to not be directly associated, like say Firewall and Armageddon.
Firebolt and Fireball are both projectiles of fire, while Wall and Arma are not.

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Nelgirith
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posted June 06, 2011 05:43 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 05:45, 06 Jun 2011.

What would be the point of Armageddon being an ultimate ability if anyone could get it in the Fire Magic tree ?

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foxxxer
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posted June 06, 2011 05:43 AM

I really hope that we'll get screenshot of Fire School tree. It's not for sure that there is a link between Firebolt and Fireball but I presume the both are conected. If they're conected I wonder what is the Rank 3. There is a sense about Inferno but we don't know if even exist such a spell in the game.

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Nelgirith
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posted June 06, 2011 05:48 AM

Why should there be a rank 3 ?

Also, I don't think Firebolt and Fireball are connected. Imo Firebolt is connected to an improved single-target spell while Fireball (available at level 10) would be connected to some Inferno (6x6 square) spell as rank 3.

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DoubleDeck
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posted June 06, 2011 05:49 AM
Edited by DoubleDeck at 05:53, 06 Jun 2011.

Hmmm yes I see now, maybe firebolt doesn't lead to fireball, it's just the spell pics look very similar.

The Earth Magic screen only had two Rank 3 spells, one which is Summon Earth Elemental.

So maybe Fire Magic has Summon Fire Elemental and another rank 3 spell (maybe Slayer?)....or maybe Slava is not skilled enough in Magic so there were only two choices of Rank 3 Earth spells and that there are more in the game....

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Nelgirith
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posted June 06, 2011 05:55 AM

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Hmmm yes I see now, maybe firebolt doesn't lead to fireball, it's just the spell pics look very similar.

The Earth Magic screen only had two Rank 3 spells, one which is Summon Earth Elemental.

So maybe Fire Magic has Summon Fire Elemental and another rank 3 spell (maybe Slayer?)....or maybe Slava is not skilled enough in Magic so there were only two choices of Rank 3 Earth spells and that there are more in the game....

Remember that the skill trees aren't the same for each class. Slava might only have access to the "weakest" fire abilities because he's a knight while an Inferno hero might have access to more if not all.

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MrDragon
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posted June 06, 2011 06:23 AM
Edited by MrDragon at 06:29, 06 Jun 2011.

I think they are related but I don't think they have another related spell even higher.
One is a fire projectile, the second is merely a much larger fire projectile.

My expectations of further fire damage spells would include Firewall, Bloodlust (fire seems like a good school for it) possibly another Fire AoE spell like say Inferno (I don't think it will be a projectile though, more like a sudden explosion) and a few other more utility focussed spells possibly (hard to say at this point) but I'm expecting at least 12 spells per school the majority of which are not directly related to each other.

Similar to how Earth Magic in the alpha screenshot has only a few prerequisites but mostly stand-alone spells.
Earth has 14 spells*, so I'm not going to assume it's the benchmark, but I'll assume all other schools have a similar number.
(out of those 14, only 4 spells are directly related to a lower/higher ranked spell)
*In Slava's earth skill magic tab, in an alpha build, so it's hardly ironclad.

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Azagal
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posted June 06, 2011 06:52 AM
Edited by Azagal at 06:53, 06 Jun 2011.

What about our Q&A?! I haven't seen any info concerning it's release or in what state it's in. I swear I'll start sacrificing small aviary animals preferably with a blue hue if I have to to get some info about Q&A it had some really good questions (Well some are answered by now but still)!

Don't make me go there Cepheus...

I'd be totally fine with an answer like "Yeah we're working on it or we're holding it back a bit to get maximum information output out of Julien etc. just anything so I know whether it's still alive or whether it's been forgotten.
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Davy
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posted June 06, 2011 06:56 AM

And we should also keep in mind,that the only screenshot of an earth magic tree,was from a might hero.
So maybe there are even more levels of magic or more level 3 earth spells,who are just inaccessible for might-heaven-heroes.

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DoubleDeck
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posted June 06, 2011 06:58 AM

14 spells per school seems reasonable (98 spells in total for all schools).

Other spells under Fire Magic might be the same spells that were in Heroes 3 under Fire Magic with the exception of spells belonging to Dark or Light which weren't in Heroes 3 (eg. Frenzy, Bezerk, Blind)

So could include:

Magic arrow / Eldrith Arrow
Prtection from fire
Bloodlust
Firewall
Land Mine
Fire shield
Slayer
Summon Fire Elemental


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foxxxer
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posted June 06, 2011 07:33 AM
Edited by foxxxer at 07:35, 06 Jun 2011.

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What about our Q&A?! ........


Has Cepheus sent the Q&A to UBI? Many of the questions are old already.
I sent him HCM with the same question "What about our Q&A?" but he didn't respond.

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Cepheus
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posted June 06, 2011 07:48 AM

I'm sorry. I had exams the past two weeks and haven't been able to focus on HoMM. Since we're starting the AoH work sometime soon and the beta is coming shortly to answer 95% of the original questions, I wanted to create a new Q&A and reserve it as a surprise for the site's relaunch. So much for that now.
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DoubleDeck
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posted June 06, 2011 08:01 AM
Edited by DoubleDeck at 08:09, 06 Jun 2011.

Quote:
And we should also keep in mind,that the only screenshot of an earth magic tree,was from a might hero.
So maybe there are even more levels of magic or more level 3 earth spells,who are just inaccessible for might-heaven-heroes.


I think the might heroes and magic heroes of the same faction have the same access in the magic tree, remember it's you who chooses what to go for now with your ability points (including spells)......the difference between might and magic heroes is the stats (might attack, might defense vs magic attack, magic defense).


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Fauch
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posted June 06, 2011 08:13 AM

level 10 required to learn fireball? sounds like creeping will become a bit more complicated.

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Cepheus
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posted June 06, 2011 08:23 AM

Seriously I do apologise for the phantom Q&A and all of its postponements. I underestimated my exams and the resultant lack of free time terribly; if it weren't for Elvin and all he is doing, you would probably have no news at all right now. I will be back in action properly in late June but until then I can only be of minimal help. Sorry again.
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foxxxer
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posted June 06, 2011 08:29 AM

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Seriously I do apologise for the phantom Q&A and all of its postponements. I underestimated my exams and the resultant lack of free time terribly; if it weren't for Elvin and all he is doing, you would probably have no news at all right now. I will be back in action properly in late June but until then I can only be of minimal help. Sorry again.


Don't bother, Ceph Everyone has some business. I wish you successful exams.

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Crayfish
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posted June 06, 2011 09:07 AM
Edited by Crayfish at 09:07, 06 Jun 2011.

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14 spells per school seems reasonable (98 spells in total for all schools).



Wasn't there a number given for the number of spells in some preorder advert from UBI or similar material? At work and can't search now, but I remember some large number being quoted (150+ I think).

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posted June 06, 2011 09:27 AM

It was a Q&A which mentioned that there will be more than 200 spells (active and passive)...(eg. active = fireball, passive = logistics).

The 98 spells I am referring to are only magic spells from the 7 magic schools, ie. not including warcries, passive abilities....



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