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Elvin
Elvin


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posted December 07, 2010 01:16 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:18, 07 Dec 2010.

I find it hard to grasp the concept of needing to complain because you had to wiki a unit's name. Nobody forced you, contrary to what you say it IS as fitting as it gets and if you are that interested in mythical creatures then you should probably already know of Lilith and make the connection. But for those who do not know of lilim I have made a post on the creatures thread.

Those who started with H2 and H3 did you know every single unit? Did you know manticore for example? Did you know roc? What about behemoth? If not did you complain then? I don't think so.
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Aleksey1111
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posted December 07, 2010 01:39 PM

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...I don't think so.

Elvin! in fact problem is not in names but in its change! just take a look previous days/weeks discussion is there any complains on "names"? No!
problem is that developers have started to change it out and really (not historicaly/myphologicaly) some of that names are not quite well as previous one.
its similar if Dev change crossbowman to shooter (bone guard to skel+spears).
for us this creatures like our "kids names" and now names become different...

more over all fans nervous of tooo long time to wait for smth really new... i just cannt understand why dont Devs post some different screenshots of even map we've seen before, it'd be much better than posting name-play... imo...
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posted December 07, 2010 01:41 PM

Agreeing completely with Elvin here. Seemingly I was one of the few that actually had an idea what a Lilim is. And I agree that it is in fact a fitting name. I once more state the fact that I am getting pretty tired of all the complaining.

You all are very much confirming what people like Ben "Yathzee" Crosshaw said, in that "Fanboys are whiny complaining conservatives that will never ever be gratefull for any concession made to them."
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posted December 07, 2010 01:57 PM

You all are very much confirming what people like Ben "Yathzee" Crosshaw said, in that "Fanboys are whiny complaining conservatives that will never ever be gratefull for any concession made to them."


Hear hear,

It is impossible for any company to satisfy the wishes and personal fantasies of fanboys that base their conservative views on nostalgic childhood memories. 3DO is long dead, heroes 3 is what it is and won´t ever come back in a new form (nor should it).

Ubisoft is creating their own vision, trying so satisfy both the fans and new players, but most of all trying to turn Might & Magic into the brand and success i think everyone here thinks it deserves to be.

Whining is tiresome and unproductive, we should be thankful that they listen to fans as much as they do.

Long live the future.  

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Zenofex
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posted December 07, 2010 02:06 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 14:08, 07 Dec 2010.

OK, it's been said more than once and not just by me - Lilim can not be used because it is i-n-c-o-r-r-e-c-t. Not because it does not fit someone's personal understanding of aesthetics, but because a single creature can not be named after what is kin or just class of creatures. If you take the Judaic interpretation of the myths about Lilith and respectively her children, then lilim means children of Lilith, not child of Lilith. Children, child? The Adams, Wednesday Adams?

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whiterider
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posted December 07, 2010 02:51 PM

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OK, it's been said more than once and not just by me - Lilim can not be used because it is i-n-c-o-r-r-e-c-t. Not because it does not fit someone's personal understanding of aesthetics, but because a single creature can not be named after what is kin or just class of creatures. If you take the Judaic interpretation of the myths about Lilith and respectively her children, then lilim means children of Lilith, not child of Lilith. Children, child? The Adams, Wednesday Adams?


YES, "-im" at the end of jewish words means plural, like Elohim. It is incorrect. And what was wrong with Succubus or Temptress? Just fine names which already speak about the creatures.


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Ramses
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posted December 07, 2010 02:54 PM

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You all are very much confirming what people like Ben "Yathzee" Crosshaw said, in that "Fanboys are whiny complaining conservatives that will never ever be gratefull for any concession made to them."


I couldn't agree more...

Peeps got to understand that it is clearly impossible for a company to satisfy everyone 100%.
-I like some units while other people don't.
-I want some units replaced with others while other people don't.
-I don't like a few of the new name-changes while other people do.

So..how is it even possible for EVERYONE to be 100% satisfied?
You'll tell me... think about an UBERWTFOMGFFS cool unit and unit-name and everybody will be satisfied...
Yeah well..that ain't happening...again, there's going to be someone who won't like it. It's just a matter of taste...
So..get over it..
Everything looks cool till now in my humble opinion.Small details aren't the ones that matter, because as said before...everybody will have some minor concerns and that will get us nowhere but arguing on whose opinion matters most.

Oh and Zenofex...the way you are complaining about Lilim you should complain about Cerberus, Hydra too.
There was only 1 Cerberus-3headed-(or Κέρβερος as we Greeks originally call it) and 1 Orthrus-2headed-(Όρθο&#962, both children of Typhon and Echidna.Not a hundred of em as appeared at God of War for example...
And same goes for Hydra and many more units that are mentioned as unique ones...
Personally i got no problems regarding all those as most of them are widely acceptable names...and well...this is a fantasy game As long as cerberus doesn't have 2 heads it's all cool by me

Peace M&M brothers!

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veco
veco


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who am I?
posted December 07, 2010 03:00 PM

How can you not consider him humanoid? Sure, he has hooves and stuff but in general it still qualifies. I'm not saying it needs to go, I'm not saying anything needs to go because
1) I'm more interested in what it does on the field
2) it won't be changed anyway
so it doesn't really matter either way.


And movies are freakin horrible plot-wise I see more of the inside of my palm then the screen these days.
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Ramses
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The Art of Ninja
posted December 07, 2010 03:34 PM
Edited by Ramses at 15:36, 07 Dec 2010.

Yeah Zenofex i see your point..my bad..i didn't notice that last part regarding plural.. but dunno.. since you can recruit many of them it probably makes sense.. being the children and not the child, that is.
However you take it, it sounds a bit weird indeed. :/ I give you that.

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SwampLord
SwampLord


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posted December 07, 2010 05:34 PM

I do miss the look of the H3 Efreet, shame they haven't brought them back yet.

Heck, they could even plop it in Academy as an alternate upgrade for the Djinn.

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Adrius
Adrius


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posted December 07, 2010 07:59 PM

Things I don't really get

Asha, is she truly an eight-legged spider goddess or is she an eight-headed dragon? Or are those really just two aspects of the same thing?

I always thought that the spider-aspect was simply an interpretation of Asha's description as an eight-headed dragon, and that she didn't really have any avatars on the planet Ashan (thus giving birth to such interpretations, there is no proof of her being a spider-goddess nor is there any proof that she is not)

Now however, we have the Fate Spinner who is described as an avatar of Asha, much like the Black Dragons are avatars of Malassa.

So we have proof that Asha is a spider-goddess, but no proof that she is a dragon. If the Spider-Goddess is the Death aspect of Asha, is the Dragon form the life aspect perhaps?

Weird imo. I liked it better when the spider worship could just be called a misinterpretation.
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War-overlord
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posted December 07, 2010 08:21 PM

Adrius you're interprating it wrong. Asha is Goddes of 3 things: Life Order and Death. It would be better perhaps to see her as a 3 headed Dragon and one of those heads is the head of a Spider. The Spider is the image of her Death Aspect. The Necromancers are just a cult primarily focusing on the Death aspect and in lesser sense on Order.

The Black Dragons are not the Avatars of Malassa, they are her Mortal Children.
The Fate Spinners are Avatars of Asha's Spider side. It would be possible to channel her two other Aspects Order and Life into an Avatar, although we don't yet know what image they bear.
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Adrius
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posted December 07, 2010 08:27 PM
Edited by Adrius at 20:28, 07 Dec 2010.

Well she does have eight heads though, think that's pretty much a fact.

You do make sense though... I guess the dragon is simply the combined form of all her aspects. If you divide her into different aspects, she has different forms, one of them being the spider-goddess.

Makes much more sense, thanks
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Elvin
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posted December 07, 2010 11:12 PM
Edited by Elvin at 23:17, 07 Dec 2010.

Only if you crack it

I don't know what ubi's plans are but I applaud this one, simply ingenious!



Dexter was kind enough to show me where the rumour for November 4th faction reveal originated in.

This is not a Q&A nor is it official. Think it this way, if you planned that you could hint that to a friendly vip member but that is still not a promise to the community.
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Paiazza
Paiazza


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لىخ ضل
posted December 09, 2010 10:54 PM
Edited by Paiazza at 23:15, 09 Dec 2010.

YOU WISH IT WILL BE H3 FORTRESS... unfortunately they said the 4th faction is a faction which was in H5, info from some Russian forum that they got it from some official or something like that.
WE MISS YOU FORTRESS


Also these creatures are interesting
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=33849
http://warez.f60s.com/forums/t/115376.aspx

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SkrentyzMienty
SkrentyzMienty


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posted December 10, 2010 12:48 AM

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ok, what are the chances to  have naga AND lizard (h3 fortress) towns in h6?

zero.


Unfortunately very low, BUT they are quite different, and 2 even more similar factions (Elves from Sylvan and Dark Elves from Dungeon) were both in one game (H5). BESIDES, before H5 was released, was anyone actually asking for a Dark Elf faction? I doubt it. And yet the developers did it, so why wouldn't they create BOTH a Naga faction and a H3 Fortress one if SO MANY people want this really much and express it through their numerous posts in various forums? Unfortunately not likely, but not impossible

A possible (and for me favourable) outcome of factions:

H6 CORE GAME:

Necropolis
Inferno
Haven
Academy OR Sylvan OR Stronghold OR Dungeon (but let's just say that Sylvan)
Naga (new aquatic faction)

EXPANSION 1 (taking that there will be 2 factions per Expansion, I hope so )

Academy
Dungeon

EXPANSION 2

H3 Fortress
Stronghold

And then who knows, maybe we'll see a 3rd expansion with another new faction, and another old faction returning (Conflux's the only one left isn't it? OMG don't kill me Conflux-haters it's just an example, please tell me what you think about my faction ideas/predictions )

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SkrentyzMienty
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posted December 10, 2010 01:35 AM
Edited by SkrentyzMienty at 01:38, 10 Dec 2010.

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The picture from facebook would be interesting if the girls were good looking.

I think that naga and lizardmen are too similar to be different factions. snake + legs = lizard. And the elves are very similar too but they have very different philosophies. Also I don't think that there should be an aquatic faction because all other factions are land based and all battles are happening on land. An aquatic faction seems like it would only be effective in water.


It's just like saying Haven and Sylvan cannot be in one game because Humans + long ears = Elf  I would love for both the Naga and H3 Fortress factions to be in H6 and its "doable", besides IMO your argument about them 2 being "similar" is unfair; Let me introduce you to my lineup idea for each of them and we'll see how "similar" they are:

ATLANTIS (an aquatic Naga faction)

CORE:
Murloc < Aqua Guard (Walker/Walker) or could be Troglodyte because I expect to be attacked by "Warcraft arguments"
Sea Snake < Coatl (Flyer-Shooter/Flyer)
Water Turtle < Dragon Turtle (Walker/Walker)
ELITE:
Mermaid < Siren (Caster/Caster-Shooter)
Naga < Naga Queen (Walker/Walker)
Myrmidon < Poseidon (Walker/Walker)
CHAMPION:
Sea Monster < Leviathan (Walker/Shooter-No melee penalty)


H3 FORTRESS (a pretty much unchanged lineup, but lets remind ourselves)

CORE:
Gnoll < Gnoll Shaman (Walker/Caster)
Lizardman < Reptillion (Shooter/Shooter)
Serpent Fly < Dragon Fly (Flyer/Flyer)
ELITE:
Basilisk < Greater Basilisk (Walker/Walker)
Gorgon < Mighty Gorgon (Walker/Walker)
*Chimera < Corrosiosaur (Flyer/Flyer) *a two-headed, acid-spitting small "dragon", since the Wyvern is presumably with Stronghold
CHAMPION:
*Behemoth < Gargantuan (Walker/Shooter-No melee penalty) *altered in appearance slightly to suit a swamp, and also a much needed boost to Fortress firepower, since Hydra is presumably with Dungeon


Please tell me what you think and don't concentrate on the names alone, but on unit ideas mainly. So overall, I believe these EXTREMELY DIFFERENT FACTIONS could both be in H6.

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Alustor
Alustor


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posted December 10, 2010 07:21 AM

4th maybe

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MattII
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posted December 10, 2010 07:32 AM

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I'm putting my money on Sylvan as one of the grass tilesets for the fourth town. We need another "good" town and Academy doesn't have a tileset in HVI that makes sense for it.
Maybe, but from the timeline on the main site:
751 - 770 YSD.

Purge of the Necromancers - Civil war in the Seven Cities

Jealous of the power acquired by the Necromancers, the Wizards of the Seven Cities initiate a large-scale persecution, ranging from the seizing of their properties, to banishment, to the spectacle of public executions. A long and gruesome civil war ensues. The ancient cities are destroyed and much of the land is rendered uninhabitable.

My money's on Academy, because right now Necromancers are mostly a cult amongst them, and since we already have Necromancers... In comparison, I can't see any place for Sylvan in Vanilla, but I fully expect them and the Dark Elves in an expansion, since the Day of the Tears of Fire happens just a couple of years afterwards.

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alcibiades
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posted December 10, 2010 08:06 AM

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I'm putting my money on Sylvan as one of the grass tilesets for the fourth town. We need another "good" town and Academy doesn't have a tileset in HVI that makes sense for it.
Maybe, but from the timeline on the main site:
751 - 770 YSD.

Purge of the Necromancers - Civil war in the Seven Cities

Jealous of the power acquired by the Necromancers, the Wizards of the Seven Cities initiate a large-scale persecution, ranging from the seizing of their properties, to banishment, to the spectacle of public executions. A long and gruesome civil war ensues. The ancient cities are destroyed and much of the land is rendered uninhabitable.

My money's on Academy, because right now Necromancers are mostly a cult amongst them, and since we already have Necromancers... In comparison, I can't see any place for Sylvan in Vanilla, but I fully expect them and the Dark Elves in an expansion, since the Day of the Tears of Fire happens just a couple of years afterwards.
Hmm ... maybe you're right. I would put my money on Sylvan based on the tile-sets and comments made early after announcement, but I do agree Sylvan + Dungeon would make a sweet addition for an expansion.
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