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master_learn
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posted January 15, 2014 01:49 PM |
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@Hobbit,the 60 mods thread is stickied in this forum.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2014 10:36 PM |
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...I know about it. Why?
Strange thing to notice: WoG 3.58f AND Era crashes when HotA maps are present in folder Maps. Definitely not HotA problem, and there's not much to do with WoG 3.58f, but I think in the next Era version it should be fixed since HotA's getting more and more popular.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted January 20, 2014 10:55 PM |
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Em? If Era crashes only with HoTA maps, is clearly HoTA's problem. Use separate folder to play HoTA.
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Era II mods and utilities
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2014 11:22 PM |
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Isn't that you who criticized the concept of making several folders for other mods? 
HotA doesn't crash with WoG maps in the folder, it just skips any unknown format in the same way SoD does. Same thing with VCMI. WoG and ERA (probably because of part of , however, seems to try to load every map in Maps folder even if it's unknown format, and that's probably the reason it crashes. Trying to say that it's HotA problem is like saying that if a very old car is too slow to be allowed to traffic, newer cars have to slow down to 8 miles per hour.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted January 20, 2014 11:43 PM |
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I don't know what's Bersy stance on the matter (so far he is retired for some time) but I have no idea why you ask such things here.
Era is designed to work with wog type maps. Any request or bug report should be in connection with this fact, either is off topic.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2014 11:50 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 23:51, 20 Jan 2014.
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If mod A has no problems with mod B's existance in the same folder but mod B crashes if mod A is installed, then which one should be considered as the bugged one?
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted January 21, 2014 12:14 AM |
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You could have reported the crash without implying that Era is at fault or bugged and let Bersy decide about the outcome.
Instead you just repeat over and over that is bugged and should be fixed, which only shows how little you know about the technical part of both HoTa and Era.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted January 21, 2014 12:19 AM |
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HoTA is too grand a project to be considered a "mod" and should be installed in a fresh copy IMO. It's not compatible with Wog or Era anyway, so what's the big deal, losing 900 MB of hd space? Installing Era and HoTA into same H3 folder is like organizing a welcome party for bugs and errors.
It's wrong to install different ERa mods into separate folders because Era is designed to organize them within the same game folder, not the case with HoTA.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 21, 2014 12:34 AM |
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Salamandre said:
You could have reported the crash without implying that Era is at fault or bugged and let Bersy decide about the outcome.
I just reported the crash at the very beginning - it's you who started "It's HotA so shut up" kind of arguments. Either you're trolling or you have no idea what you're talking about.
artu said:
Installing Era and HoTA into same H3 folder is like organizing a welcome party for bugs and errors.
The problem is that it shouldn't be like that. HotA and ERA have different executables and both don't overwrite any files which could give any lack of compatibility.
HotA has no problems with ERA existing in the same folder, while ERA has problems with HotA's map format. It wouldn't be surprising if SoD or VCMI had problems with HotA map format, but they don't, they ignore it completely - and in that case it's clearly something wrong with WoG. Probably it just allows anything that has *.h3m extension and then crashes when tries to read it, and if so, in future these problems could be even worse if VCMI have map editor.
That's why I'm reporting this crash. "Put in another folder" is of course a solution, but it's the same solution as "Don't install it", and I doubt if that's what any of you wants.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 21, 2014 12:40 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 00:43, 21 Jan 2014.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 21, 2014 12:42 AM |
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That's actually what I've been talking about from the very beginning... And as I said, "Put in another folder" is a solution which shouldn't last for too long. You know, like "Install this mod somewhere else" stuff, which was one of the biggest WoG's problems back in the day.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 21, 2014 12:44 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 00:47, 21 Jan 2014.
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I don't think Hota team will be up for total compatibility, and Era team either.
Actually Hota is easily uninstalled and installed back without the loss of the savegames.
No matter which mod is 'flawed' guys, don't be aggressive.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted January 21, 2014 12:48 AM |
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Well, my semi-educated guess would be it will cause many problems, not just one. Besides it can also confuse the HD mod. And since they are not compatible, you'll have nothing to lose by installing them into different copies of the game since the amount of space lost is insignificant by today's standards. The best way to prevent dozens of bug and crash reports before they exist is just to copy game folder and install in a fresh version.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 21, 2014 12:51 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 00:52, 21 Jan 2014.
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Well, there are not many options anyways. There isn't anything like 15-20 Hotas and Eras available for choosing, so I guess the multi-game problem is not that big.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 21, 2014 02:08 PM |
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Guys, I'm talking about FIXING this bug so that you don't have to install dozens of copies of the game. This kind of problem isn't probably only about HotA, but about other map format in general (it occurs only when you try single/multi, not during campaigns). Your "solution" is working of course, it's not like I didn't know this before (after all, I used to live in WoG 3.58f times ), but it's actually avoiding the problem until something bigger occurs. That's why I want to report this now.
HotA shouldn't be affected by ERA and vice versa, these are completely different files. If ERA crashes because of HotA map format, I'm afraid there's not much HotA Crew can do about it. Maybe except for some kind of plugin...
And I'm not aggressive, sorry if I "sound" that way. I just want to help.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 21, 2014 04:02 PM |
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artu said:
losing 900 MB of hd space?
If to bother about licence, than for each installation separate licensed copy of HMM3 is required;-)
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blackstomper
Adventuring Hero
Member of the old Wog-team
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posted January 22, 2014 07:29 PM |
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To the developers of HotA
Can you be so very kind and Go Fudge yourself!!!
Downloading your so called mod is the worst kind of bloatware I have seen since I stoped searching for game crack´s on various warez-sites
I now have a total of THREE banners on this, and many other sites
1 left, 1 right and 1 bottom. AND additional pops up when pressing links.
"Ads by BetterMarkIt"
Ratsnows!!!!!
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 22, 2014 07:36 PM |
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"Member of the old Wog-team" should know that if something's wrong with mod on his computer, but others have no problem with it, then it's not HotA developers' problem and insulting them won't help you nor them.
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blackstomper
Adventuring Hero
Member of the old Wog-team
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posted January 22, 2014 07:44 PM |
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I know what and when I install stuff on my PC.
And if you get 5 warnings from your antivirus during install, and you choose to ignore them (since noone would be such a jerk to install spyware etc when making a mod), just to see that you got yourself the program I mentioned before AND a new "cool" search option on your start pages.
It is with 110% certainty the mod that did that. Direct or indirect, doesnt matter to me. Its dreadfull behaviour.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 22, 2014 08:08 PM |
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But it's only you who get those viruses, nobody else had such issue. There has to be something wrong on your side.
Try to install it from here.
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