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posted November 07, 2012 10:29 PM |
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Haaaah, something funny happend in Denmark today on this subject..
This time, the muslims actually is causing trouble without doubt. (its silly, but still trouble)..
The trouble is in a housing association, where most of the board managers are Muslims.
In many many many years it have been a tradition to have a christmas tree on every city square to symbolise, well, christmas and christ.
But this year, in that part of denmark, things are going to be different. The muslims on the board said no to paying 850-1200$ for a christmas tree, but few days earlier, said yes to spend 10250$ on some Eid celebration thing for muslims.
Experts and most of the young danish people (18-40 years) says its a flaw in tolerances and lack of respect. And that they are starting a "war" on the danish traditions and replace them with their own.
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posted November 07, 2012 10:44 PM |
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Why would it be ok to force them to pay for a christmas tree? That sounds like humiliation and against religious freedom. And what is the problem with letting them have their own decoration? Denmark seriously need to fix their attitude towards foreigners and stop diminishing my nordic pride.
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posted November 07, 2012 10:47 PM |
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posted November 07, 2012 11:01 PM |
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Had a reply forming in my head and then I read Gnu's last sentence and it all just went poof in a "let the mods deal with it" kinda way.
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posted November 07, 2012 11:15 PM |
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@ Gnu
You dont say!
Gnu, you better change the last sentence if you want to avoid getting penalized.
Corr will probably delete your post.
As for the matter in hand, its probably been blown out of proportions.
But then, I dont care about Dennmark so yes.
and then I read something like this http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5233389_700b.jpg
Rich nations are just dumb. Really, just dumb.
Really, its just a matter of political correctness. While nations in europe gather more people, the people are finding it increasingly hard to tolerate others. I am not talking about muslims here though, just people in general.
In essence, it becomes annoying or even insult to conservative westerners to suggest one remove christmas trees and so on.
As an atheist, I dont care about christmas trees but I can well imagine other atheists having something against religious symbols. So if atheists were to be respected and treated equally and a decision not be put in a popular vote, it would be probably lawful and ok to remove christmas trees.
nevertheless, its a matter of taste and desire.
Conservatives want to have the right to do what they did before without having to bear with the traditions or symbols of others.
Its understandable but in this case there can be no coexistence between these groups of people.
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posted November 07, 2012 11:21 PM |
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Hahaha, way to lighten up the mood Seraphim!
Annie Lööf have done more than a few weird stuff and comments since she became the Centerparty's leader. I doubt she will last many years. And the atheistic christmas is so true except that we actually say christmas.
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posted November 07, 2012 11:44 PM |
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Though the tradition originates from a religious background, the celebration of Christmas are not for religious reasons here. It's done for the children, because children loves presents and Christmas is an excuse to get presents while getting to know your family and local community better. When there are no children, or very few, any Christmas celebration will usually be held within ones own home, at private.
Well, you can encapsulate the the thing about christmas in any way you want. The issue is that "Others" will see this as a point that could in theory invoke feelings of religious favoritism and cultural separation.(Dont ask me how I came up with this sentence).
People will, however, find it very hard to accept the fact that christmas is just another religious fest. Its a complete different thing to celebrate and or deny christmas or whatever religious fests there are for muslims.
Sure, just as you said, its about children and that it can be done in private. That however does not change the fact that the christmas tree symbolises something religious and in a secular state such objects should not be state sponsored and ,in the case of community organization, should be within secular laws so as not to disturb others who dont share that "Symbol".
However, that does not hold for national fests such as independence day and so on.
That said, europe should choose to function either as a secular democratic state or a religious one. You cannot impose or define your own religion or, for that matter, cultural heritage on top of others.
Sadly, I dont think this issue can be solved. One side has to lose and has to pack.
You can either be completely respectful and tolerant or you can dictate your agenda, as seen with 99% of muslim states.
Of course, there can be nations who are hypocritical on this issue, psing as secular and respectful while doing otherwise like Russia, China and so on.
@ GunFred
offtopic.
Wow, somebody actually found me funny. This is the first time I hear this from somebody. Yep, definitely getting better with my humor.
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Bill Maher on Islam...I really love the way he debates these people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmizyHFabqQ
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posted November 07, 2012 11:59 PM |
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I feel bad for the muslims who the public seems to want to force buying Christmas trees. Merry dawkins, I don't even buy Yule trees myself. MUM GETS TO PAY FOR IT.
Yes, every modern country should have secularism written into the constitution. That would also silence all those cries of islamization (I call it "islamic integration into european culture")
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posted November 08, 2012 12:52 AM |
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Had a reply forming in my head and then I read Gnu's last sentence and it all just went poof in a "let the mods deal with it" kinda way.
Same, but I think I'll actually say a little something...
Gnu, doesn't your country practice religious tolerance? Furthermore, doesn't it ban religious symbols on federal lands? And finally, forcing a demographic to buy something that they do not respect or want is more than slightly illegal, isn't it?
@Seraphim: I'll admit (grudgingly) that I lol'd.
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posted November 09, 2012 01:48 AM |
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So, I am not as humorous today and I would like to share a video.
I would insist heavily all HC members watch it.
Here it is :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=B9PUDoYc8s8
Muslims are hypocrites and for the same reason I would not want to call me or anyone I love a muslim.
They really believe that they can convert all of europe to islam by force and they do think of themselves as privileged over "Infidels".
They also think that the quran, hadiths and so on are infallible. The word of God and their perfect prophet and that killing infidels is completely ok because the prophet did kill.
Here is muslim logic in a nutshell
Quran says that quran is the word of god. TRUE because god cant be false.
God says quran is true. True, quran cant be false.
Muhamed saw god. He was drugged in reality.
Quran says that Muhamed is the perfect model, as if there was a such a thing, for men and not for women.
What muhamed did is explained in fables and stories choosen by islamic "Scholars". In other words, they decide what "Hadiths" were true or fake.
Islamic scholars cant be wrong because they are muslims.
Infidels are just deluded. They have the "Choice" to join islam or die.
Muslims are "Genetically" superior to infidels. (This one is made up from me but I say this because Muslims do think they are better in anyway possible than infidels) Reminds me of Nazis and the Aryan race delusion....
Every muslim has to follow quran.
Rimse and repeat. So, this should make it permanently clear to anybody why muslims act the way they act.
PS: I have intentionally made mistakes on this part. Why use the word "Allah" when there is a word for a creator being in ENGLISH or for any language for that matter. I always saw this as a first sign of disrespect.
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posted November 09, 2012 02:11 AM |
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Kinda hard to listen to what they're saying with all the hate text printed all over the screen by the uploader.
"Islam's god of homophobic mysogynic dark tyranny" Hahah, just stopped at a random moment in the vid.
I think we can agree that that Anjem dude is a douchebag? Dunno what more to say cuz he sure as hell doesn't represent Islam like the vid wants to say.
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posted November 09, 2012 02:19 AM |
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The obnoxious lettering was a bother, so I just listened to the debate instead of reading the hate-rants. What amused me about this youtube video is that one of the top rated comments was this:
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c'mon man, don't let this ****** (Censored to abide by the CoC) represent me
i don't want you guys to surrender to islam
me and my family were born muslims, and you guys are born however you are, christian, or whatever
and that's great, it's ok we're different, and i see no reason why we can't be friends, and believe me, there's other muslim's like me
..... for some reason, retarted muslims like this guy are more popular on the internet
It shows a stark contrast to the OP of this thread, and many of the comments made by certain members. ((Just being all politically correct and **** today, aren't we Gnomes?)) I'm assuming it's obvious that this guy is a muslim, so gentlemen, I present to you evidence that even muslims think these extremists are morons. 
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posted November 09, 2012 02:26 AM |
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My Iranian/Swedish cousin has trouble moving in Iran cuz she's too hot so the female police officers always try to put her in her place ^^
Actual true story.
These generalizations against Islam hurt me cuz my muslim relatives are nothing like what's portrayed. They're such awesome people.
If you're gonna argue about it, at least stop generalizing so much. Call the crazies Islamic Fanatics or something. Not muslims, muslims are an entire effing people for god's sake.
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posted November 09, 2012 02:29 AM |
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It shows a stark contrast to the OP of this thread, and many of the comments made by certain members. ((Just being all politically correct and **** today, aren't we Gnomes?)) I'm assuming it's obvious that this guy is a muslim, so gentlemen, I present to you evidence that even muslims think these extremists are morons.
Ehh, there is one rule without exception, there are no rules without exception.
By stating this paradox, I want to say that whatever the facts maybe, its theese audacious people who make headlines and who make the decisions.
I dont care about some minorty of muslims who think that bombs are bad, and atheists are not evil.
I would rather call those muslims, who are not about killing infidels, liberal muslims(Yeah, an oxymoron.) and the rest just muslims.
Why?
I said earlier. These "Fanatics" represent the true ideology behind islam. If you dont believe me, just go make a fact check.
Call them purists if you want to.
Want to make peace? Its like wanting to mix water and wax. It wont happen unless you use a solvent.
How to make peace? Sollution
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posted November 09, 2012 02:43 AM |
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These "Fanatics" represent the true ideology behind islam.
In about the same way that the Westboro Baptist Church or Ku Klux Klan represent Christianity. Seriously, I'm not defending the people who do this evil crap, but I'm also not going to throw the majority of Muslims under the bus for the actions of some extremist Islamic terrorists who interpret their holy book in a bad way.
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posted November 09, 2012 02:44 AM |
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Think debating about what the Quran really says and stuff is as futile as doing the same thing with the bible... fanatics are just gonna twist the words to their advantage anyway so...
I see the problem as being a bunch of leaders who incite fanaticism into their people to make them violently demonstrate to bring their opinion through.
I recognize the problems, but I think these distinctions are EXTREMELY important because if you generalize too much, it becomes rascism. I see charismatic, fanatic leaders as the problem, not a "muslim" problem.
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You want to nuke an entire people into oblivion to make peace? Whoop-de-fricking-doo, humanitarian I see. Exactly what makes you better than them in this case...? I don't think even Usama was that violent.
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posted November 09, 2012 12:03 PM |
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The rise of racism in Europe worries me many times more than the rise of Islam. Just an hour or so ago I read that 9% out of 1003 people would vote for the Swedish Democrats today making them the third largest party in Sweden. And that is damn scary in the possibly most tolerant, foreign friendly country in the world. I was a little relieved when I read that only 1003 people were asked since the percentage can vary a lot but still...
Sure, Islam is super bad but it has never been a threat because non-religious and christians in europe are pretty much impossible to convert to Islam. And muslims are certainly not going to outbreed the european natives when they have not even had a real presence for a century. If the cards are played right, then muslims will eventually adapt to secular democratic society or lose their religion to atheism/agnosticism.
The real threat are the very people who fight Islam at a political level. They corrupt the population with messages and lies of fear and hate.
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posted November 09, 2012 01:26 PM |
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Here is muslim logic in a nutshell
Quran says that quran is the word of god. TRUE because god cant be false.
God says quran is true. True, quran cant be false.
And where is the difference to christians and the bible here?
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