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posted November 09, 2012 11:31 PM |
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You want to nuke an entire people into oblivion to make peace? Whoop-de-fricking-doo, humanitarian I see. Exactly what makes you better than them in this case...? I don't think even Usama was that violent.
The easiest way to a fix a problem is to remove it from the existence by removing the thing that causes it. The "Nuke it from orbit" was a sarcastic remark, eventhough I would not mind it. I am actually stone cold when it comes to arrogant people.
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I give up, it's like I'm in speech class talking to the wall all over again...
That must have been an interesting speech class...
Nevertheless, I find far left and far right individuals to be equally deluded.
One should not pretend to live in peace when some people, muslims in this case, both are arrogant towards people and also claim to be higher than everybody else.
They they ridicule the very thing they use to express their ridicule.
Its insane.
I have seen many immigrant muslims in europe though. The first time I met those people I understood why europeans cant stand them.
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posted November 09, 2012 11:33 PM |
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Seraphim, like I said, Islam as super bad as it is, I stand by that it is not a threat. We do not see many muslims running around the streets waving scimitars or blowing themselves up. What we did see was a champion of the norwegian race and vanquisher of invading devils called Breivik who saved Norway from almost a hundred teenage supporters of a party that is slightly more friendly towards immigrants.
Tell me who is the biggest threat. The short and weak guy with a knife who is surrounded by you and your 10 sword armed friends... or the devil who is whispering inside your head?
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posted November 09, 2012 11:39 PM |
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The biggest threat are open borders without worrying about assimilation rate. Europe needs several consecutive generations in order to assimilate people coming from countries with a 100% different behavior and moral standards. Once you have your immigrants, stop others and wait the ones you have to assimilate and only then open again borders.
Common sense.
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posted November 09, 2012 11:41 PM |
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The easiest way to a fix a problem is to remove it from the existence by removing the thing that causes it
What exactly do you think the problem is?
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Seraphim
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posted November 09, 2012 11:41 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 00:02, 10 Nov 2012.
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Tell me who is the biggest threat. The short and weak guy with a knife who is surrounded by you and your 10 sword armed friends... or the devil who is whispering inside your head?
They are equal.
He was operating under an agenda because in my standpoint it was a political move.
Why would somebody target a mixed amount of kids?
You see, the dutch guy who died because he made a cartoon of their holy dude, got killed in the middle of the city.
No matter how you encapsulate it, muslims have brought "hate" into society to a new level.
I would love to hear from Angelito what he has to say about the millions of turks in germany.
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What exactly do you think the problem is?
Islam. Make islam illegal. Problem fixed.
You would not have to sacrifice freedom of religion for that.
Just declare islam a non-religious hate mongering cult.
Here is what communist albania did, eventhough this might seem to be inappropriate by today's standards. There is no need to kill anybody, just to deport.
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The campaign against religion peaked in the 1960s. Beginning in 1967 the Albanian authorities began a violent campaign to try to eliminate religious life in Albania. Despite complaints, even by APL members, all churches, mosques, monasteries, and other religious institutions were either closed down or converted into warehouses, gymnasiums, or workshops by the end of 1967. By May 1967, religious institutions had been forced to relinquish all 2,169 churches, mosques, cloisters, and shrines in Albania, many of which were converted into cultural centres for young people.
The clergy were publicly vilified and humiliated...
Of course now I am going to be bombarded for being so evil but actually its imo the only way to deal with islam.
I dont think they will ever adapt, islam is a teenager by religious standards. Does europe want to wait 600 years till thess people realize, "Hey, we can actually live together"?
Again, i wish islam did not exist in europe. Its idea of peace is foreful submission to sharia and hadiths.
Imagine a society where you have no right to speak against stoning people, women are turned into walking scarfs and they have no rights whatsoever and you are forced to pray 5 times a day.
Its just North Korea with a religion.
If you think about this, its no wonder muslim countries are so backward and undeveloped.
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xerox
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posted November 10, 2012 12:00 AM |
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Let's make all ideologies and religions illegal then, since almost all of them (except liberalism) have their militant extremists.
Of course, it's likely that you would have even MORE of those extremists if you did that.
I really don't get what about islam that annoys you. Why can't you just let people live their lives as free individuals?
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Seraphim
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posted November 10, 2012 12:03 AM |
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Let's make all ideologies and religions
banning islam does not mean to remove the right for the right to side for an ideology or for a religion.
Islam, by my standards, is not benign. If a religion is not benign, it should be banned.
Maybe you could send emails like this or something to your politicians as I am not a citizen of the EU.
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Why can't you just let people live their lives as free individuals?
How about you ask this question to this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9PUDoYc8s8
Listen to what he says, ignore the screen text.
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xerox
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posted November 10, 2012 12:10 AM |
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So what´s the problem?
He has his opinion of introducing shariah in the UK. He has full rights to express that opinion. Just like communists or neo-nazis have rights to express their opinions.
There´s no difference between those groups. They´re all extremists and they are all allowed to express their opinions because freedom of speech applies to all.
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posted November 10, 2012 12:11 AM |
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I don´t agree with Gunfreds view of the Swedish parties at all (there are no "red-greens" anymore, in fact, the MP might just be in a blue-green government after 2014). Your view on the SD is extremly exaggerated. Even as a true liberal (btw, why should the liberal party be leftists lol? there is only one left party left in sweden for a reason) I fully understand those that vote on the SD. A party which is in NO WAY more "racist" than your average european party, its just that the political climate in sweden is incredibly politically correct.
Sweden is not adapted to having tens of thousands third world country immigrants and there is genuine worry among people that the Sweden is well, losing its swedesness. While nationalism is one of the most stupid ideologies of all time, every country needs to have some kind of unity, a national identity to which people from all backgrounds can associate with. The other alternative is segregation which will lead to a structural problem of real racism.
I´m a liberal so in my utopia, there are no borders. But that ideological utopia comes in a complete package. The current state of swedish society won´t work with such a liberal approach to immigration. For it to work we need to move away from the wellfare state, stop basing integration policies around handing out tax money to immigrants (in recent years, some good steps have been taken however) and work towards a new Swedish identity (the US is a role model here) and citizenship of increased importance.
The next swedish election could get really interesting for once. The alliance might lose two small parties that would make the alliance weaker than it already is right now but on the otherhand, if MP leaves the red parties then they would be far from safe.
The reason I hate SD so much is because they clad themselves in the swedish flag and proclaim themselves protectors of swedish culture. But what I consider the most important trait of a swede is tolerance. I think that ´historically, Sweden has always been very friendly towards other cultures. The vikings pillaged and traded indiscriminatly and they quickly adopted christianity without starting any holy wars. And today we do not have any historical grudges against our biggest enemies, Denmark and Russia.
I do agree on that the immigration system is flawed and needs reconstuction. Kick out the bad guys, keep the good guys and I support a much harsher justice system but I do not support the kick out or lock in everybody of a certain skin or faith policy of some racists.
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posted November 10, 2012 12:20 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 00:29, 10 Nov 2012.
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So what´s the problem?
He has his opinion of introducing shariah in the UK.
You are a typical liberal.
How the hell can you respect or even give him the right to express his opinion which goes along the lines of "If you are an infidel, you will be killed" and "Freedom and democracy are bad things" and, my favorite, he sharia "laws" are perfect and would not need to be appealed.
That guy is not just deluded and stupid, he has the arrogance to call Muslims being persecuted in the UK and that sharia is perfect.
This guy deserves to be lobotomized.
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He has full rights to express that opinion.
Really? How can one have the right to suggest that death is applicable to people of different belief?
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Just like communists or neo-nazis have rights to express their opinions.
People dont have the right to deny the holocaust in germany for example. I dont know about the UK.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVTK_XffAvk[/ur]
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The surah this moron Quotes refers to a MUSLIM LIFE not a NON-Muslim infact the Quran says non-Muslims are disgusting creatures below even pigs ! don't believe me look it up
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xerox
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posted November 10, 2012 12:22 AM |
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GunFred: It sure is going to be a very exciting election. I don't think that any parties will fall out of the parliament (the friend 4% you know). I´m predicting that the MP and the SD are the two parties that are going to increase the most (7-9%). Neither of the traditional blocks are going to get a majority and this time, there isn't going to be a unified opposition.
I agree that the SD have a ridiculous view on what´s swedish. What they fail to grasp is that there has never been a status quo on what´s swedish. Sweden has always changed and will always change. Of course, you should be free to argue if that change is for the worse or for the better. What defines a Swede anyway?
That´s a question loaded with differing opinions and subjectivity. I for one will agree that it makes more sense to associate swedishness with values such as tolerance rather than ethnicity. It´s not my job to say to other people that their definition of a swede is wrong though.
Seraphim: I have tolerance for Breivik´s opinions too. That doesn´t mean I think its okay to go around murdering dozens of children though.
My point is that there is a difference between tolerating opinions and accepting the actions that they might cause.
Germany is wrong.
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GunFred
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posted November 10, 2012 12:27 AM |
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Well said in your posts above Xerox.
The muslims can scream all they want but nobody will listen to them. Eventually their throats will hurt and their voices die. Treat them equally in society and before the law and things will turn out alright. Saying that Islam is a threat to the western world is like saying you do not have faith in science or western morals.
Fear is the strongest emotion and that is why the anti-Islam movement is so strong and succesful. But no matter how strong you are, you are still a coward.
Seraphim, by placing all muslims under the same banner, you falsely judge many decent people. Judge the individual or a small group, not an entire people.
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Seraphim
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posted November 10, 2012 12:42 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 00:54, 10 Nov 2012.
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@GunFred
I have yet to see any, ANY, decent muslims.
You dont seem to get it. In order to be a "Real" muslim you have to believe in everything the quran says WORD BY snowING WORD!
Its literal. When the verse comes, kill the infidel, they can do it.
Those "Liberal" muslims are not muslims by islamic standards.
And yes, I have asked a muslim about this.
I asked him, is someone a muslim if he/she believes in your god or has a different idea of what god is?
Anser: NO. You have to follow EVERYTHING the quran, the guy who tells you the hadiths and so on.
Do you get it?
You cant try to sell me the point that arsenic is good. No matter how you put it, it is not.
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The muslims can scream all they want but nobody will listen to them.
But to bad that I have to hear them and every other human being has to lift criticism of islam because you need a personal army to protect him/her against the masses.
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Fear is the strongest emotion and that is why the anti-Islam movement is so strong and succesful. But no matter how strong you are, you are still a coward.
Fear? You have to meet hate then. Its much more powerful because unlike fear, hate is outward oriented.
How can you use the word fear and then in the next statement you use the word coward.
Every coward is in deep fear and fear is a positive emotion because it helps people to do something against an incoming threat.
In that regard, the more threatening muslims there are, the earlier the time will come where a europe wide civil war will ensure.
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Seraphim, by placing all muslims under the same banner, you falsely judge many decent people. Judge the individual or a small group, not an entire people.
I dont place them in a banner, its their banner, they put it.
I am just displaying what they are.
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Fauch
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posted November 10, 2012 01:11 AM |
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Joking aside, if there really are that many immigrants who leech off the system then maybe it is to late to naturally adapt.
banks leech off the system
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posted November 10, 2012 01:16 AM |
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I have yet to see any, ANY, decent muslims.
Somehow I get the feeling this is the root of the issue.
I got muslim relatives, muslim classmates, muslim friends.
I ain't gotten staked for the agnostic infidel I am yet.
So I guess I'm biased that way, you know, having met decent people instead of just douchebags.
Have this teacher who did a lecture on prejudice, and he mentioned that prejudice is so emotional that rationality simply doesn't bite on it. You can argue and argue and argue but since it's emotional it just doesn't matter. You need to have an emotional experience to tackle it, you know fire with fire, or nothing will change.
His research showed that people's prejudice only really changed when they had actually gotten to know their target of prejudice personally. Like a homophobe getting to know a gay couple and spending a good time together, and so on.
So in short I guess I hope you get to know some decent muslims, cuz they're out there. A lot of them.
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posted November 10, 2012 01:24 AM |
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To be a real christian you have to be ok with slavery and to be a real communist you have to believe in a classless society. How many christians supports slavery today? How many communist countries exists today that are more classless than capitalist countries. The muslim banner contains countless of other banners, Shia and Sunni for example. And let the police war dogs loose on the muslims and europeans alike who break the law not the muslims and europeans who obey the law.
Added: Muslim fanatics use hate but that will only weaken them in the western world and end in their demise. The nazi feared the jews but who would call them brave or weak?
Hate is strong but blind and uncontrollable, thereful powerful yet unreliable and might even blow up in your face. You know situations like when a mother does an incredible feat of strength to save her baby? That is not love for the baby, it is fear of losing it. Or when a corned animal fights for its life. But Islam fearing racists are cowards because they choose the easy way of simply hating and ganging up and treat them in an unacceptable way. You can fear Islam but choose to do the right thing anyway, that is brave.
Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory.
- Sun Tzu/Shogun 2
Adrius, brilliant and wise post. Your teacher is probably very much correct. Personally I take homophobia and rape very emotionally compared to issues like murder or robbery. But I doubt I will ever meet a homophobe or rapist that I like. 
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posted November 10, 2012 01:38 AM |
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Somehow I get the feeling this is the root of the issue.
I got muslim relatives, muslim classmates, muslim friends.
I ain't gotten staked for the agnostic infidel I am yet.
if they haven't killed you yet, that means they aren't muslims. their book says so 
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posted November 10, 2012 01:41 AM |
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Edited by GunFred at 01:45, 10 Nov 2012.
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Hahaha, it is strange how many smiles I have gotten from such a grim topic.
Just thought of it. It is kind of strange how Gnu has not replied once after he awoke this thread recently which is currently very active.
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posted November 10, 2012 02:41 AM |
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You know situations like when a mother does an incredible feat of strength to save her baby? That is not love for the baby, it is fear of losing it.
it is quite sad to assume that all our actions are motivated by egoism. I hope some mothers would do it by love.
of course, when those islamists show their love for their god or their prophets with acts of hatred, then we might say it is fear and not love. (I'm not sure fear of what? their book probably state that infidels will go to hell, so why do they actually care? do they fear their god will not make his job and not punish infidels?)
the coran says something very surprising about infidels. it is said they do not believe because Allah made them blind and deaf and closed their heart, and thus they will be punished.
so they are infidel because it is the choice of Allah, and for that reason, Allah will punish them???
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posted November 16, 2012 07:11 PM |
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So, i'm back. And my opinion on the subject hasn't changed at all.
But i honestly don't think people from difrent countries cant prove each other right or wrong, because the number muslims and count of problems is so difrent from country to country.
I know you cant trust the news fully (They tend to turn up the trouble 3 clicks), but still, the story cary roots from something true. documentaries and other weekly Law programs always mention muslims and eastern europeans aswell as the news does.
I only tell you what i hear from both people i know, and the media.
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But as i said before, and will again:
Religion is the cause of problems and wars.
An extreme christains is as bad ad blown as an extreme muslim. (Just difrent cultures, and ways to behave)
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