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alisapa1211
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posted April 28, 2013 12:55 PM |
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Do we know when the caves of gods respawn?
Day 7 Week 2 of every month to my knowledge. Also Resources rewards scale through time (unlike creatures rewards which scale with level) so you may take them later (as long as it's before the next respawn) to get more bonus.
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Biobob
Famous Hero
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posted April 28, 2013 01:13 PM |
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Ok thanks, I kinda want to start from scratch now, but will be impossible to win without allaround. If it was 200, we probably could get it and take the cave, which would allow for Damacon and Pasis aswell. Jaegar could be taken 3rd week, if we then take all the devil dwells, we should get around 60, which could be enough for Gerwulf, dont know...
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
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posted April 28, 2013 02:10 PM |
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Would be interesting for MoW to have the special low price only for it at the Mithirl market(at Hell at least).
I mean I didn't use the market for trade with any faction in the old version.I doubt the new version will make it any useful.
Its like empty space in the map for me.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted April 28, 2013 02:34 PM |
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Daily mithril bonus was very powerful when game lasted 15 months, not 7 
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Attack all around should have triple price I think. Is just too good if early.
What is the point of strong ability bonus when players can't really use it when they need it?
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted April 28, 2013 02:51 PM |
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Problem with MoW is that it has a weak early and needs time for bonuses to come: Grail? Later (at least month 3 to get the first one I think, at least with my advanced speed). Convert town bonus? Need to convert the 5th and the bonus only kicks in when you convert the 6th one. But on the hand its monstrous late game (convert town + grail = almost double of triple army), or how can you train a new Hero from 0 to 60 in a few days (also Pandora Boxes/ Trees) and get tons of bonus resources, kinda make up for that. So if Sal buff its early (already do with all Heroes start with 5 sacks of gold) it will break the game, so yeah kinda understand the hard decision.
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
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posted April 28, 2013 02:57 PM |
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Would be funny to see Commodus breaking from jail with 5 sacks of gold!
The official task of Pasis is to kill Commodus,the unofficial to get the stolen sacks back!
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted April 28, 2013 02:59 PM |
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Would be funny to see Commodus breaking from jail with 5 sacks of gold!
May as well as making Commodus also get God bonus (1-3 SP per week) without the need of carrying god for MoE, it's only fair this way .
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
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posted April 28, 2013 03:09 PM |
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alisapa,would you like to post a screen of Arena spoils?
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted April 28, 2013 03:15 PM |
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alisapa,would you like to post a screen of Arena spoils?
Haven't reached that part, not to mention I don't have a Print Screen button , you can ask Sal, plus he plays MoS which gives extra 1/3 bonus spoil lol.
And can't believe it, but I have just defeat Zubin with magic alone without attaking!! Chain Lightning => chain lightning => resurrection => chain lightning => repeat and everything is dead...
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
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posted April 28, 2013 05:21 PM |
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I use button combination "fn" + "insert" to copy from the game and paste into paint.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted April 28, 2013 06:28 PM |
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MoW sucks because it gains mithril so slowly. Later game it may break, but you don't make it until there in Hell mode. I have 4 heroes 40-18-23-24 levels and all they give is 19 mithril/daily while you need so many things to take Ajit out, or even Dace. The thing is that Hell speed is growing too fast for MoW, the initial 200 price is deadly for him, with MoS we hardly notice it because halved.
Take for example Dace: if you attack him month 4 with MoW, harpies have enough speed to hit and return, and they will do it while the others wait. So instead of focusing on those hard shooters, you have to worry about something new, harpies, which can take all your devils on first round.
Bob, you don't need attack all around to take Gerwulf, other modes did not have it and we still could take him out, the AI bonus is weak month 2 (it starts only day 28 and is +15% second month). Is just that you want to rush it, Gerwulf 1.4.6 I never heard of. Yes, we can ignore the mithril chain bonus/economy and go first for every AI hero, but not gonna work, everyone of them asks for some abilities present.
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What is the point of strong ability bonus when players can't really use it when they need it?
It breaks the balance of early fights and it is in general too powerful for heroes games (that's why hydras are so good sometimes, now with attack and return even better). AI is coded to be shy when your creature has this ability, you will get less attacked simultaneously. 600 mithril should be a good price to ensure you don't get it before Dace, but right after, and use it for Rissa/Daremyth where it will play an important role.
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Biobob
Famous Hero
the Bobler
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posted April 28, 2013 07:40 PM |
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You can get to Gerwulf even faster, just depends when you get cave of gods / first 200 mithril / if you can get allaround.
I wanted to try out and went back to old values until challenging Damacon. Got to cave of gods, took Damacon, Rion takes TP, Commodus goes Jaegar (my tactics also working without hit and run for some reason, I think it is because of allaround) + Ivor, Rion runs for Valeska, Valeska goes front of Castle, Commodus takes boots and runs to Gerwulf. Still you are too weak, but we only take the artifact merchant and sell EVERYTHING but for wizards well items, then we convert towns and take the arch dwellings (Rion kills Pasis on the way). With the cave resources you can buy everything but for one dwelling at Pasis, but you dont have enough movement for that. Now we can take the cave again and move on.
Of course you cant do that with the new values, but with the new ones you basically cant do much during the first month beside gatering creatures...
Also, dont you think giving wisdom and earth to new heroes would be nice? It would speed things up...
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Warmonger
Promising
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fallen artist
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posted April 28, 2013 07:51 PM |
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^Sounds crazy, never thought about doing things in that order  . Post some screenshots of your progress 
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you basically cant do much during the first month beside gatering creatures.
Yes, up to Damacon (or even Gerwulf) game feels too slow and there's not much to do, especially for MoW and MoE. if with Attack All Around game flows faster, it's only good.
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Salamandre
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posted April 28, 2013 07:56 PM |
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Well yes, first month you take Pasis, Damacon, free Rion, then go for Jaegar. But Gerwulf is another story. The little +15% AI growth does not justify adding attack all around so early, which basically gives you twice army.
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Biobob
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posted April 28, 2013 08:09 PM |
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Edited by Biobob at 20:13, 28 Apr 2013.
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Dont have the saves anymore, bit here detailed:
General
Up to week 2 is clear I think, make best use of treasure, so you can afford devils. If you have movement take the CBs. Note it is done using old values.
Week 2 first free Rion, who goes right for the sea (lower left, next to the vampires at 2nd city), and goes upwards. Commodus takes utopia left of Rion (need expert cure, use all but one devil in one stack, last one alone, then attack green dragons from the left with the big stack, the sole one attacks from lower right, now you only get attacked by green + gold), then goes swimming for bottles, continue to 2nd Utopia and 3rd city, take it using attacking spells (upgrade them one time first, whatever your skills allow). Rion takes the water way, purchase allround. Now takes extreme luck: Attack cave of gods, hope (? dont know, I always get them) for bloods, shield first round, then cure every round, hope that dragons never get aging, if they do, you lose troops. Now teleport back and go for Damacon, Rion gets TP and lands next to dreads, then teleports to Castle, gets resurrect, teleports to lower left inferno, runs all the way down (dont take banks, take the university of course), free Rion. Commodus should now be right in front of the gate, Rion gets Ivor, give him some efreet + speed arts, attack Jaegar. Now Commodus gets Valeska, gets Boots + Nodes, teleports 3rd inferno, walks water and go to merchant, sell all. Now teleport back, Rion takes Pasis, then convert all towns (I had 2 mithril now, but didnt sell wizards well and money item, sold ocean necklace too). Now take the dwellings, buying angels first. If you still have movement, you can take the one at Pasis too, I didnt.
!!Most important is taking dwellings last, or you wont get the bonus!!
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted April 28, 2013 08:20 PM |
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Biobob
Famous Hero
the Bobler
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posted April 28, 2013 08:22 PM |
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Edited by Biobob at 20:31, 28 Apr 2013.
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Took him week 4 you know. Didnt want him to get bonus, so I sped the thing up
But I repeat, is much harder now. I just didnt want to gather troops for one month.
Also, who can explain this:
At the time screen was taken, I only had 3 devil dwellings, all taken after conversion... town is Lugdunum, happens only there
PS: Ah, I know why! As the city had been a castle it also takes into account this:
Makes sense as I took two of the dwellings after the fight first time.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted April 28, 2013 08:23 PM |
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No, maximus is the last hero, end game.
Ok, about attack all around issue: Hell difficulty is one week old and needed full test to see how' going compared to Ouch mode. From my test, I noticed all early phase was much easier, even ridiculously easy if we purchase this ability. Which is surely helping a lot later, but half game is suffering from it.
I was tempted to add many bonuses for us, to match AI growth, but if it breaks the balance for our benefit, then is no more Hell, is the easy mode. I think attack all around should be the ultimate weapon, not available month 1-2.
your screen: no idea why it shows 0 growth. I also noticed that if we fight twice the level 7, that town gets increased growth. It is not scripted in anyway, so I guess some original mechanics conflict. I will not complain in this special case but I can't do nothing about.
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Biobob
Famous Hero
the Bobler
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posted April 28, 2013 08:27 PM |
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I know 
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
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posted April 28, 2013 08:28 PM |
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I think taking Maximus on month 2 will be a bit hard.
Sal,remember what Fiorel did?
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