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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 16, 2013 11:52 PM |
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Who the hell would want to bomb Boston? I totally agree with Elly, whoever did this is a complete moron, note the fact that 2 of his/her bombs didn't even go off.
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posted April 17, 2013 02:43 AM |
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So far there hasn't been anymore than the 3 fatalities: a 29-year-old runner, an 8-year-old, and the Chinese grad student. Dead Chinese grad student = media attention in Chinese public. If it's connected to an international terrorism group, there won't be any difficulty pursuing the perps.
This will either have a strong negative or strong positive impact on the turnout next year. Either from people being leery about going or from lots of more people showing up. Inner Boston is a great city. Very walkable and surprisingly quiet. The drivers border on sociopathic, but at least they're time efficient.
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posted April 17, 2013 05:51 AM |
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Kaboom. Bomb explodes at the height of the famous Boston Marathon. Three perish. Hundreds injured. Panic covers the city and the event.
Hmmm...a bomb. If it is used in a place like the Boston Marathon, where there are many crowds and runners from around the world, it's a little suspicious on who would do such a thing?
In my opinion I will have to rule out the far-right and the far-left on this. The most plausible perpetrator will be, since it's on American Soil, will be Al-Qaeda or another Islamic extremist group. Can't think of anyone else.
Hmmm...should we drop the Atomic Bomb on the middle east?
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posted April 17, 2013 05:52 AM |
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should we drop the Atomic Bomb on the middle east?
I hope you realize how horrible you sound.
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Damacon_Ace
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posted April 17, 2013 05:54 AM |
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should we drop the Atomic Bomb on the middle east?
I hope you realize how horrible you sound.
Doing that did end World War II. And the atomic bomb threat did make way for the peaceful end to the Cold War. Now who is naive?
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posted April 17, 2013 06:05 AM |
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You want to watch the personal insults, or do I need to help you learn how to behave?
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posted April 17, 2013 06:22 AM |
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FYI, there was no need to nuke Hiroshima as the Japanese were left without any help from the outside. It was only a matter of time before they would surrender, so no need for the atomic bomb. However, the Americans saw this as a great chance to confirm their powers and they made a big KABOOOM.
However, my comment was pointed more towards the America's involvment in everything - the war in Vietnam, the war in Iraq, the Kosovo question, etc. Surely you would expect something like this to happen because USA is fighting against terrorists, and wouldn't it be natural if they fought back?
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posted April 17, 2013 06:25 AM |
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@Ace:
The atomic bomb was dropped on Japan because the entire nation was mobilized against, without exaggeration, everybody in a 360 radius around it. Japanese brass knew they already lost, but their plan (and it was a very good plan minus the part where nukes were suddenly invented) was to turn the whole island chain into militia and make the prospect of invasion more costly than what it would take to finish Germany, so they could force a sue for peace and maintain power. American government responded with nukes on two cities and then the Japanese surrendered. Is EZ. I was against Hiroshima when I was teenager/college student, but in retrospect it was an extremely good and intelligent decision and frankly if Japan still didn't surrender (which is a ridiculous prospect because their leaders weren't 5-year-olds) I would have been morally okay with them dropping more nukes. No legit parallel to the M.E. at all and unlike Hiroshima, which ushered peace, a nuke in M.E. would have the opposite effect.
The closet modern day parallel (and then some) would be if N. Korea suddenly went psycho and started firing atomic warheads into Korea and towards Japan and Western US/Canada. Immediately ICBMing every nuclear installation ASAP, regardless if the N. Korean civilian casualties were expected to be in the hundreds of thousands or millions, would be an appropriate response (in fact it would be the only appropriate response).
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posted April 17, 2013 06:58 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 07:32, 17 Apr 2013.
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FYI, there was no need to nuke Hiroshima as the Japanese were left without any help from the outside. It was only a matter of time before they would surrender, so no need for the atomic bomb. However, the Americans saw this as a great chance to confirm their powers and they made a big KABOOOM.
Except that the Japanese, before being nuked, lost all their navy, outside islands and nearly all their airforce. They had no means to fight, why did they not surrender before?
I dont know, but perhaps they were trying to become allies with the Sovies.or just thought to fight till the bitter end.
Nukes scared them too much because the US did not have to lose any soliders to eradicate them.
They were forced to surrender or face extermination with no casualties ot the US whatsoever.
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However, my comment was pointed more towards the America's involvment in everything - the war in Vietnam, the war in Iraq, the Kosovo question, etc.
The war in vietnam was a war against Viet-Commies. The americans could eradicate all the commies if they wanted, but wanted to armwrestle with the Sovies.
The soviet union in the 1980 already showed signs of weakness, economic collapse and so on so they actually did not care anymore about Vietnam.
The iraq war was a war to protect global oil supply and force regime change in iraq. Saddam was stupid enough to provoke US response with a US carrier nearby.
The Kosovo war in itself affected nobody but Serbia.
I dont think that the war was necessary but I think that Serbia brought it on itself. Ignoring UN zone and killing people in Srebrenica was already enough for others to assume that Milo did not care about regulations and such.
In the case of Kosovo war, western countries offered Milo to reatreat its troops and allow an international UN mission to control the territory. Milo refused and then Serbia got bombed. Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo status should be decided by ITS people, with a referendum if needed and the rest is just recent history.
This case did not just involve the US, but all NATO countries. So, its a non-sequitor to mention Kosovo with the other scenarios.
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Surely you would expect something like this to happen because USA is fighting against terrorists, and wouldn't it be natural if they fought back?
Terrorism in itself serves no other purpose than to terrorise innocent people. Terrorists cannot dream of winning a war with the US that is why terrorism is morally reprehensible.
If some soldiers die because of an attack, than thats war. Soldiers know that they can die, innocent people are not soldiers.
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posted April 17, 2013 08:35 AM |
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It is interesting how most adults in US have no problems with their taxes heavily supporting and financing army operations abroad, but when retaliation comes (under a form or another), it rains with "we are innocent, why you do this to us". Wish it could be so simple but is not.
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posted April 17, 2013 08:47 AM |
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People, please do drop the Hiroshima (and Nagasaki for that matter) bombardment already, there are very stupid and uninformed arguments on both sides and this doesn't need to continue.
As for the topic itself - like already mentioned, this is sad but hardly unexpected. What's more important is who will claim responsibility this time what will follow.
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Salamandre
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posted April 17, 2013 09:39 AM |
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Terrorist acts follow a logic very precise. You can even predict in which country they will most likely strike in the close future, without being a wizard. Play now the sensible guy, but is also you who said that remodeling geopolitical layouts to increase self-profit should be a top priority for every country. But it has other consequences as well.
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posted April 17, 2013 12:47 PM |
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It is interesting how anti-Americans always find some excuse to justify terrorists murdering innocent people in America. After 9-11 they said America had it coming. Now they say America had it coming. Such blind hatred for and jealousy of America.
Little Martin Richard (8 year old) went to watch Daddy run a race. Terrorist murdered him, blew off his sister's leg, and Mommy had a brain injury.
And it is in my opinion quite moronic to say America is exploiting the world. But if it were, someone murdering people at a race would have no connection to "stopping the evil oppressive exploitative capitalist American pigs."
Oh well, the US is a bright and shining light of freedom and opportunity, though the light is dimming. Some people just hate the light.
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Salamandre
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posted April 17, 2013 12:57 PM |
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Nobody is justifying it-at least here-, I condemn it. I just don't buy the ingenuous attitude like yours, U.S. could fart in an empty glass and you would still find it awesome. No, when it stinks so bad, there is a reason, you just refuse to see it.
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posted April 17, 2013 12:57 PM |
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In other news some several hundred civilians, probably including a nice number of kids*, get killed in Afghanistan each year while people like you write moronic things in Internet forums. You'll really do your country a great favour if you shut up.
*Just checked the slightly more precise numbers for 2013 (only). Apparently around a dozen children got killed less than 2 weeks ago during an air strike. It was everywhere on the news in two parallel universes too.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 17, 2013 05:06 PM |
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I'll let the picture speak for itself, I fear that if I add my personal interpretation, then I may offend by sounding uncouth.
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posted April 17, 2013 05:17 PM |
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NoobX, those people at the marathon had nothing to do with Hiroshima and most likely nothing to do with NATO either. I'm not even American but saying they deserved it is hardly a justified position.
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posted April 17, 2013 05:23 PM |
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I don't know why, but when you talked about Hiroshima, I kept thinking chernobyl, and I was like : what do the americans have to do with this? 
from what I read, the job seemed pretty amateur-ish. the bombs did little deads, some of them didn't blow out. maybe some lonely lunatic like in the cases of school shootings. what message could you even try to give by killing marathon runners?
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Zenofex
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posted April 17, 2013 05:50 PM |
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Man, if your relatives get killed and they haven't done anything to deserve such a faith, the reasons are totally irrelevant. You have relatives? How about I blow your house and them in the process because I suspect that some terrorist is hiding there and call that "collateral damage"? Will you pat me on the back? Hardly, but I suspect that you'll reaaaly want to kill me after that.
Bottom line is, there are innocent victims in both cases. Those is Boston probably don't give a damn about the US foreign policy and may even condemn it. Those in Afghanistan may hate the Talibans with passion. So? They're both dead. It's pretty sick and short-sighted to claim that the tragedy of one group is greater than the tragedy of another just because you've chosen different words to accommodate them in your mind and that's one of the reasons why such senseless killings keep happening. People never see the big picture.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 17, 2013 06:05 PM |
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Can I make an educated guess and predict that this discussion is going to evolve into whether you believe that a national is more/less/equally valuable than someone foreign. One side might take a subjective stance, while the other a more objective one, this fleshed out with additional content.
Objective being we're all the same, and we ought to care more about the higher death tolls in other countries that are constant rather than a few American lives. While a more subjective stance (and frankly, for ill or good the real situation) that US citizens will always be regarded more highly than foreign individuals, eg: Hiroshima, Iraq et cetera, wars to **** others up in order to protect US citizens despite the fact that you consider your neighbor to be a complete ahole, while you just payed money to have an innocent blown up in some other country. (not talking about today's bombings, talking about the US' "collateral damage")
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