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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features This Popular Thread is 468 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 90 180 270 360 450 ... 464 465 466 467 468 · «PREV / NEXT»
phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted January 25, 2021 06:48 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 18:53, 25 Jan 2021.

@Hourglass AI ignorering units with Magic Mirror I'm not even sure you can call a bug, it's just AI choosing to ignore units with Magic Mirror, so in a way that is also a form of protection.

A bug that happens all the time, is that AI can attack creatures on water using Water Walk/Fly.
Sometimes it's also possible for AI and occasionally even human players to end their turn in water.

Yeah the game crashes very rarely for me too at the moment and that is great.

How was TP nerfed in HotA?, I don't see it.
DD yes, if you play with Tournament Rules.
Still you feel very forced to always pick Earth and Air Magic, leaving little room for Fire and Water.

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massmarines1
massmarines1

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posted January 25, 2021 07:16 PM
Edited by massmarines1 at 19:23, 25 Jan 2021.

for sorcery to be a viable skill it should increase simply your powerstat, so it's usefull on most spells.

and given that 50% extra damage to one element orbs are not thought after, I would say have it 25%/50%/100% increase of the powerstat (before artifacts).

maybe the numbers are still not quite right.

so a mage with sorcery as secondary skill can summon like 200 earthelementals at level 20.

a sorcery specialist like 300

that would give mages a point to play

maybe make sorcery a counter to inteference

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Hourglass
Hourglass


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posted January 25, 2021 07:49 PM

phoenix4ever said:

How was TP nerfed in HotA?, I don't see it.
DD yes, if you play with Tournament Rules.
Still you feel very forced to always pick Earth and Air Magic, leaving little room for Fire and Water.


The value of the scrolls is increased. All control scrolls have their values set to 20,000, whereas in SoD they belong to their respective magic tiers: TP and water walk are worth 4,000 and DD + Fly 5000. It other words, DD scroll in SoD has the same value as a simple minor artifact, and you can easily beat the guard during your first turn with your starting army.

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Phoenix4ever
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posted January 25, 2021 09:07 PM

That is not nerfing effect of the spells, but only increasing the value of their spell scrolls.

I never play with spell scrolls anyway. Perhaps if it was possible to place random level X scrolls in the map editor, I would...

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Hourglass
Hourglass


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posted January 25, 2021 10:14 PM

Phoenix4ever said:
That is not nerfing effect of the spells, but only increasing the value of their spell scrolls.



If you're thinking such thing doesn't effect the overall outcome, then, well, you're just simply wrong. Affecting availability is one way of nerfing things. By that logic, changing any creature's cost, it's build path, it's dwelling cost and/or it's growth wouldn't change how well the actual creature performs.

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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


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posted January 25, 2021 10:34 PM

This kind of discussions grew old some 300 pages back.

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Winston
Winston


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posted January 25, 2021 11:01 PM

blob2 said:
The original promise was "new stuff, but with the originals quality and careful fixes of the original game balance". HotA is a great chance to extend the games longevity, and it would be a shame if it would be spoiled by balancing hell (especially when the updates themselves do not have a regular schedule). "Adding new stuff" is imo the safer route (aside from introducing unbalanced units ofc ), but it's my opinion and it might actually be a voice of minority...

They crossed that line a long time ago, and locked the door shut by putting DRM in the HD mod and making it nigh-impossible to personally make your own modifications to the balance bs without reverse engineering the entire mod yourself. The "new stuff only" version of HotA will never exist, the deal is that they won't let you play the mod unless you agree to their tournament balance in your singleplayer game.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted January 25, 2021 11:04 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 23:06, 25 Jan 2021.

It's not DRM, just blocking plugins to prevent cheating in MP through plugins (which was easy to do). Also, have you seen the threads here about modifying HotA? And c'mon, if you want plugin-like changes, you can edit those files in the .lod directly, although it's more cumbersome. I agree that the lack of plugins is annoying, but HotA team's strong point isn't programming afaIk, so they managed the situation how they could.

Edit: I think you meant the .exe file mainly though. Again, that's to prevent cheating too, but I've seen guys who reverted the changes through hex-editing.

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Lol that's true.
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blob2
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posted January 26, 2021 09:54 AM

Winston said:
They crossed that line a long time ago, and locked the door shut by putting DRM in the HD mod and making it nigh-impossible to personally make your own modifications to the balance bs without reverse engineering the entire mod yourself. The "new stuff only" version of HotA will never exist, the deal is that they won't let you play the mod unless you agree to their tournament balance in your singleplayer game.


Hmm, I'm not surprised, especially when you recall that at some point their project leaked and was circulating around the internet, which I heard they weren't very happy with. I think it's a matter of how personally you treat a piece of your work.

It's their work and their rules. They don't take pay for it, which is understandable due to potential copyright problems, but I respect that it's their "code" and they are free to decide how it should be handled.

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Winston
Winston


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posted January 27, 2021 09:06 PM
Edited by Winston at 21:13, 27 Jan 2021.

FirePaladin said:
It's not DRM, just blocking plugins to prevent cheating in MP through plugins (which was easy to do). Also, have you seen the threads here about modifying HotA? And c'mon, if you want plugin-like changes, you can edit those files in the .lod directly, although it's more cumbersome. I agree that the lack of plugins is annoying, but HotA team's strong point isn't programming afaIk, so they managed the situation how they could.

Edit: I think you meant the .exe file mainly though. Again, that's to prevent cheating too, but I've seen guys who reverted the changes through hex-editing.

@gatecrasher

Lol that's true.


This has already been tested and debunked in the modding threads. No one can modify any aspect of the game that HotA touched, because HotA has a binary blob DLL (that they don't tell anyone the workings of, of course, so you can't modify anything) that runs after the .exe and overwrites your own changes. I have personally tested and confirmed this myself. You can modify non-HotA versions of the game, but the thread for "modifying HotA" is a bit of a misnomer, it's mostly people modifying SoD or changing things that HotA didn't already modify (because that's all you can change in HotA). It would be more appropriate for the thread of modifying HotA to be a post "you can't".

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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted January 27, 2021 11:28 PM

Well I do know how to change HotA's versions of Intelligence, Mysticism and Estates.
Also the amount of starting army of Cove heroes etc.
But yeah most is still a mystery sadly.

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted January 31, 2021 05:26 PM

So, uh, any news? Factory looks like my kind of town. Magog-like tier1, tier 2 units resurrecting other (mech) units and a demon/necro farming-like method promised, what's not to like It sure has been a long wait...
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted January 31, 2021 05:36 PM
Edited by FirePaladin at 17:37, 31 Jan 2021.

No news. And level 1 might have Stun (or another ability) instead of AoE attack.
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Hourglass
Hourglass


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posted January 31, 2021 07:50 PM

Halflings will not have AOE as far as I know, but some kind of on-hit effect that will affect target's ability to retaliate.

If I understood correctly, the lvl 4 unit - Automaton - was finished by Docent himself, but it will likely not get introduced before the release, so some things can remain a secret. At least for my ears, that sounds like the creatures are more or less ready.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted January 31, 2021 07:58 PM

Besides the Halflings and the Automatons (which were confirmed to be already done), all other creatures seem to be pretty much finished (Halflings could be finished too, it's just that there's no clear public info regarding their ability).
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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted February 02, 2021 06:24 PM

No AOE? aww... I was so hyped. Magog fireball is HYPE with manual targeting.

and it should totally be Automaton Gunner as an upgrade. We never got it in Arcanum, so we should finally get one in HoMM3, lol.

The only sad thing is that without Docent, there will be no new towns, I guess. No sand terrain either. (HoMM2 had beach AND desert terrains. HoMM3 only has sand terrain).
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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posted February 02, 2021 06:33 PM

The level 4 creature is non-humanoid and I doubt another shooter would be included in the lineup (otherwise would end up similar to Tower, and all robots can be repaired by the level 2 as well). And I don't see what prevents new high-quality towns from being created either.
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tzening
tzening


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posted February 03, 2021 03:19 AM

Recently I can't update or even check for updates. If I try to update,  it says:

"Error #241: Failed to download http://heroes3towns.com/HD/Update/Update.ini"

Is there something wrong with the server? It was working last month.

Thankfully, the game itself is still playable.

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted February 03, 2021 08:48 AM

FirePaladin said:
And I don't see what prevents new high-quality towns from being created either.


It's a lot of work, and the Mod's creator has died. There's of course a full team remaining, but without Docent it may not be possible to start something this serious.
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted February 03, 2021 08:56 AM

Well if we get Factory, there is really no need for any more towns.
Then they could focus on balancing skills, spells, bugfixing and adding other new content.

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