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Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 30, 2014 02:05 PM

Not even Raelag liked putting her through that.
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Marzhin
Marzhin

Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
posted August 30, 2014 04:39 PM

Poor Erael dies at the end of Shades of Darkness, so no, that's not her at Ivan's table

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Dave_Jame
Dave_Jame


Promising
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted August 30, 2014 04:45 PM

@Storm-Giant: Why do you think of us as scary Storm Giant? Isn't fear just a nother tool to be manipuleted. And you give it freely to use to all who could notice.
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Raelag84
Raelag84


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posted August 30, 2014 05:07 PM

Dave_Jame said:
@Storm-Giant: Why do you think of us as scary Storm Giant? Isn't fear just a nother tool to be manipuleted. And you give it freely to use to all who could notice.



I like you. Lets hope the faceless have a role in heroes 7. Yes...hope

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Avonu
Avonu


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
posted August 30, 2014 05:36 PM
Edited by Avonu at 17:57, 30 Aug 2014.

Marzhin said:
Poor Erael dies at the end of Shades of Darkness, so no, that's not her at Ivan's table

Yeah, as death is for sure a reason for Ubisoft to not use deceased characters (*cough* H5: Freyda, Markal; MMX: Montband; DoC - Ariana *cough*).
Not that reusing some of them was a bad thing but what I learnt from Ubi is that, death is not the end for some/popular characters.
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Marzhin
Marzhin

Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
posted August 30, 2014 07:23 PM

Avonu said:
Marzhin said:
Poor Erael dies at the end of Shades of Darkness, so no, that's not her at Ivan's table

Yeah, as death is for sure a reason for Ubisoft to not use deceased characters (*cough* H5: Freyda, Markal; MMX: Montband; DoC - Ariana *cough*).


OK, I admit the Freyda thing was confusing, especially with the ghost you gain after defeating her in H5.
However Markal was dead by the end of H5. Part of his spirit remained within the Ring of the Unrepentant and tried to escape by tricking Zehir, but even that last remnant was destroyed.
Montbard's fate is never explicitly stated at the end of H6, beyond being defeated in battle. (Remember that in Heroes, defeating an enemy hero does not necessarily mean killing them on the spot unless stated otherwise).
As for Ariana... well I'm not sure what happens to her in DoC, to be honest I know Vein believed she was dead, but I don't think you actually see her kicking the bucket in DoC.

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Storm-Giant
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On the Other Side!
posted August 30, 2014 07:46 PM

Dave_Jame said:
@Storm-Giant: Why do you think of us as scary Storm Giant? Isn't fear just a nother tool to be manipuleted. And you give it freely to use to all who could notice.

My Titans have mind immunity, screw you!

Marzhin said:
Poor Erael dies at the end of Shades of Darkness, so no, that's not her at Ivan's table

A new character then? Cool
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Avonu
Avonu


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
posted August 30, 2014 08:17 PM bonus applied by alcibiades on 30 Aug 2014.
Edited by Avonu at 20:31, 30 Aug 2014.

Marzhin said:
OK, I admit the Freyda thing was confusing, especially with the ghost you gain after defeating her in H5.

I think it was very clear - she was dead in H5 and alive in H5:FoH - she was "saved by a bunch of developers".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g4hvUvBmoaA#t=94

Marzhin said:
However Markal was dead by the end of H5. Part of his spirit remained within the Ring of the Unrepentant and tried to escape by tricking Zehir, but even that last remnant was destroyed.

That's strange because:
1. He was killed in H5 and his body was destroyed by Zehir (turned in ash), so Markal couldn't be reanimated.
2. He somehow escaped inside Ring of Unrepentant but was defetead there once and for all.
3. Zehir bring his skull from Ring, so I wouldn't call him a spirit. (artifact Skull of Markal was introduced in HoF, so I guess it appeard on Ashan, when Zehir returned from his adventure inside the ring and bring it with him).

Marzhin said:
Montbard's fate is never explicitly stated at the end of H6, beyond being defeated in battle. (Remember that in Heroes, defeating an enemy hero does not necessarily mean killing them on the spot unless stated otherwise).

He was killed in battle... and in next one, and in another one, and so on until ressurection building in Portmeyron wasn't destroyed. After that, well... Sarah, asked by Kiril if Montband could be healed, said:
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It would be easier to kill him. Elrath will understand his innocence. And Asha will give him a new life. He'll never be able to recover totally from what the Faceless have done to him.


Marzhin said:
As for Ariana... well I'm not sure what happens to her in DoC, to be honest I know Vein believed she was dead, but I don't think you actually see her kicking the bucket in DoC.

She was killed, twice. But as it was Void involved, she was alright after all. It seems that Void not only can erase memories and physical things but also defeats, as they would never happened.

Quote:
- Allow me to show you the force of the Void, the power of the Throne of Renewal. I disown my death. I disown my defeat! I have disowned the lies of the Dragon Gods. I am beyond the cycle of Life and Death. I am eternal. You do not understand. You are ignorant, blind. You are but simple memories which will be forgotten little by little by the Universe…

The Herald raised his index finger and Phrias, Ariana, Akane and Kieran materialised at his side. It was more than a resurrection or Undeath provoked by the venom of the Spider Goddess. It was as if the combat we had just finished had never happened. We never killed them, we hadn't even injured them.

Unfortunately these events also were erased by Void when DoC campaign was changed.
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Storm-Giant
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Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
posted August 30, 2014 08:27 PM

@Avonu: you can't put quotation marks in an url tag, but you can outside of it

Avonu said:
Marzhin said:
As for Ariana... well I'm not sure what happens to her in DoC, to be honest I know Vein believed she was dead, but I don't think you actually see her kicking the bucket in DoC.

She was killed, twice. But as it was Void involved, she was alright after all. It seems that Void not only can erase memories and physical things but also defeats, as they would never happened.

The Void sounds absurdly powerful. Could erase Death too?

And I guess a Dragon God too...
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Heligrin
Heligrin


Adventuring Hero
posted August 30, 2014 08:29 PM
Edited by Heligrin at 20:32, 30 Aug 2014.

Avonu said:
She was killed, twice. But as it was Void involved, she was alright after all. It seems that Void not only can erase memories and physical things but also defeats, as they would never happened.

It reminds me of Gazal's phrase in DoC: "I reject my death, I undo my defeat".

Storm-Giant said:
The Void sounds absurdly powerful. Could erase Death too?

Who knows... It's possible, that Sandro could want to check it when he tried to "erase Alma's death".

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Avonu
Avonu


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
posted August 30, 2014 08:32 PM
Edited by Avonu at 20:33, 30 Aug 2014.

Storm-Giant said:
The Void sounds absurdly powerful. Could erase Death too?

And I guess a Dragon God too...

I added quote from original DoC campaign to my previous post. As for Dragon God - see Heroes Online when Sandro tried use Void to erase Elrath. He failed of course.
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted August 30, 2014 08:35 PM

Heligrin said:
Avonu said:
She was killed, twice. But as it was Void involved, she was alright after all. It seems that Void not only can erase memories and physical things but also defeats, as they would never happened.

It reminds me of Gazal's phrase in DoC: "I reject my death, I undo my defeat".

Which in turn reminds me of Adam Savage's great quote:
Adam Savage said:
"I reject your reality and substitue my own."

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Heligrin
Heligrin


Adventuring Hero
posted August 30, 2014 08:44 PM

Avonu said:
Quote:
- Allow me to show you the force of the Void, the power of the Throne of Renewal. I disown my death. I disown my defeat! I have disowned the lies of the Dragon Gods. I am beyond the cycle of Life and Death. I am eternal. You do not understand. You are ignorant, blind. You are but simple memories which will be forgotten little by little by the Universe…

The Herald raised his index finger and Phrias, Ariana, Akane and Kieran materialised at his side. It was more than a resurrection or Undeath provoked by the venom of the Spider Goddess. It was as if the combat we had just finished had never happened. We never killed them, we hadn't even injured them.

Unfortunately these events also were erased by Void when DoC campaign was changed.

How interesting. Do you know other mysteries, "concealed" by developers?

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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
posted August 30, 2014 08:47 PM

Avonu said:
I added quote from original DoC campaign to my previous post.

Thank you.

You really deserve a QP for all this lore insights, it's a shame this days mods are so reluctant to give them
(And WO too, although he already has a nice collection of them)

Avonu said:
As for Dragon God - see Heroes Online when Sandro tried use Void to erase Elrath. He failed of course.

Awww, too bad
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Marzhin
Marzhin

Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
posted August 30, 2014 08:47 PM

Avonu said:
3. Zehir bring his skull from Ring, so I wouldn't call him a spirit. (artifact Skull of Markal was introduced in HoF, so I guess it appeard on Ashan, when Zehir returned from his adventure inside the ring and bring it with him).


Personally I believe the artefact known as "Skull of Markal" was actually Fiona's skull, that Markal was always carrying with him, recovered from Markal's belongings after his death.

Avonu said:
Sarah, asked by Kiril if Montband could be healed, said:
Quote:
It would be easier to kill him. Elrath will understand his innocence. And Asha will give him a new life. He'll never be able to recover totally from what the Faceless have done to him.



Sarah suggests it, but you never see if Kiril chose to follow her advice or not.
We now know that canonically he didn't

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted August 30, 2014 08:49 PM

Storm-Giant said:

You really deserve a QP for all this lore insights, it's a shame this days mods are so reluctant to give them
(And WO too, although he already has a nice collection of them)


I agee that Avonu deserves a QP.




And I would like another as well, ain't no such thing as too much QPs.
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Stevie
Stevie


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Undefeatable Hero
posted August 30, 2014 08:51 PM

When I said that the Void was a type of magic they wouldn't believe me. Now they say how powerful the Void is.

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Avonu
Avonu


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
posted August 30, 2014 08:54 PM
Edited by Avonu at 21:05, 30 Aug 2014.

Marzhin said:
Personally I believe the artefact known as "Skull of Markal" was actually Fiona's skull, that Markal was always carrying with him, recovered from Markal's belongings after his death.

However Markal was hit by fireball (or other spell) and turned into ash, so I don't think any item would survived that.

Marzhin said:
Sarah suggests it, but you never see if Kiril chose to follow her advice or not.
We now know that canonically he didn't

I think Kiril also said, that Sarah can kill him, if he won't agree to hear the truth... and from MMX we know how insane he was after these events.
Nevertheless, yes, canonically he somehow was alive, even when he died a lot of times before his final defeat in HoMM6.

Heligrin said:
How interesting. Do you know other mysteries, "concealed" by developers?

Texts from original DoC campaign. There is much more information about Blackskull Clan, Helexia Monastry, Shanriya Nagas and reasons behind Kieran becoming Knight of Negation.
This campaign was created when no expansion for DoC was known for fans and end its story with Herald of the Void, so no information about Gazal and other staff from Forgotten Wars and Five Towers.
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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


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On the Other Side!
posted August 30, 2014 08:54 PM

Well, now I know something is missing this forum. Gotta have a talk with Elvin soon
War-overlord said:
And I would like another as well, ain't no such thing as too much QPs.

That's the spirit!
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted August 30, 2014 10:48 PM

Storm-Giant said:
Well, now I know something is missing this forum. Gotta have a talk with Elvin soon

Which is?
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