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Antalyan
Antalyan


Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
posted March 23, 2016 05:15 PM

Some more information from Steam (today's post)
Heart said:

Let me see what I can address that I know has already changed (and i'm playing with internally) Just know I can't give too many specific details.

Class and skill system has been changed in the biggest of ways. Non restrictive, replayability, Random (more older title like) are key words I can use here. This has been heavily discussed with the VIPs and infact here on Steam discussion.

So, the current heroes wont change much (though some have had their specialties changed for the better) but if there were to be some newer heroes they might have more fun specialties that amount to more than +4 Def +2 growth.

I believe with the change mentioned in A, that this becomes better balanced. We are however looking at moving things to a % based system. This is still WIP though (the % stuff)

 IF there were new units, then they might have more actives and unique passives.

Hope that kinda helps 'answer' some questions. I WANT to give more public specific info, but not my call to do so as of yet.



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Dies_Irae
Dies_Irae


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posted March 23, 2016 06:06 PM

More things they should have done from the start, instead of now.

If they can change some hero specs/stats, why not all? And what is the guarantee of getting new heroes (which are not imported from H4)?

Too bad I can't go to the Steam forums yet...I need to buy something in Steam first . I want Papers Please, but that's not exactly a priority.
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Aionb
Aionb


Known Hero
posted March 23, 2016 06:06 PM

Antalyan said:
To be honest, if any H8 appears, I really doubt it can be more conservative and more similar to its predecessors than H7 is.


Are there two planets called Earth?!? 'Cause on my planet this doesn't make any sense.

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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


Promising
Supreme Hero
Approaching meltdown
posted March 23, 2016 06:36 PM

All this 'here's what x official said' is pure PR-bull. They will say anything and everything so (new and/or potential) players buy the game and then snicker about it.

Besides, let's say the AI battling a force of 10 Berserk Combat Hamsters loses 9 Berserk Combat Hamsters, and then it's patched and now consistently loses 8 Berserk Combat Hamsters in the same situation. Testers will give enormous positive feedback, but the AI will continue to be retarded.

tldr: Berserk Combat Hamsters op, pls nerf, thxbai

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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 23, 2016 06:48 PM

Gomaki sounds like he's desperately trying to sell us something lately...
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Antalyan
Antalyan


Promising
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H7 Forever
posted March 23, 2016 06:53 PM

Aionb said:
Antalyan said:
To be honest, if any H8 appears, I really doubt it can be more conservative and more similar to its predecessors than H7 is.


Are there two planets called Earth?!? 'Cause on my planet this doesn't make any sense.


H7 is the return to the previous game in many regards. Sure you may not like the way these features are done but they are usually inspired in the previous games. The amount of news coming in H7 is very low (I like it to be so but it is not important this time). I do not think H8 can follow the same way, it is much more probable to bring new mechanics and features like H6 did.
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frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


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posted March 23, 2016 07:04 PM

Antalyan said:

H7 is the return to the previous game H6 in many regards. Sure you may not like the way these features are done but they are usually inspired in the previous games H6. The amount of news coming in H7 is very low (I like it to be so but it is not important this time).


FTFY
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natalka
natalka


Supreme Hero
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posted March 23, 2016 07:40 PM

Dies_Irae said:
More things they should have done from the start, instead of now.

If they can change some hero specs/stats, why not all? And what is the guarantee of getting new heroes (which are not imported from H4)?

Too bad I can't go to the Steam forums yet...I need to buy something in Steam first . I want Papers Please, but that's not exactly a priority.


I have asked why they can`t change all heroes`spec and the answer is because it will ruin the campaigns.

There are other things that can`t be changed because of that.

campaigns


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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted March 23, 2016 07:43 PM

Glad their priorities are in order..
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Articun
Articun


Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 23, 2016 07:49 PM

I really want an answer to that. I mean, how can hero specialization, even if it scales by hero level break a campaign? What could probably be so OP that will do that?

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natalka
natalka


Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
posted March 23, 2016 07:52 PM

U think I am kidding you here?

It will break the f campaign. Maybe creature spec heroes will be too strong. But I doubt they tested growth vs att/def boost. Actually on paper growth heroes may be better..?

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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 23, 2016 07:55 PM
Edited by Stevie at 19:56, 23 Mar 2016.

vitirr said:
Fans finding campaings essential to a Heroes game... no doubt where the franchise started to get lost.

Make a game for the campaigns and you'll get a good campaign at beast. Make a game for the skirmish and you'll get a good game for which you can make a good campaign.

Incredible how first Heroes games had campaigns that were nothing but a bunch of maps put together, and yet are the best of the franchise because you were supposed to PLAY a Heroes map there, not read an interactive story.


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Articun
Articun


Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 23, 2016 08:05 PM

I believe you Natalka, i am just trying to understand how it can break the balance that much. You as a hero will have a specialization and the enemy will have its own. If it breaks the campaign, maybe they need better AI or to tweak the AI to start with more buildings build.

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Valen-Teen
Valen-Teen


Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
posted March 23, 2016 08:06 PM
Edited by Valen-Teen at 20:07, 23 Mar 2016.

Antalyan said:
Some more information from Steam (today's post)
Heart said:


Class and skill system has been changed in the biggest of ways. Non restrictive, replayability, Random (more older title like) are key words I can use here. This has been heavily discussed with the VIPs and infact here on Steam discussion.





So... Can I imagine new skill wheel in % version like in Heroes V?


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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 23, 2016 08:07 PM

As if that was needed, but I'm pretty sure, going completely random and unrestricted will break the game. Not only The whole thing is totally broken (think about how much fun it will be to fight against a GM in Offense and Defense, and think about how 7 magic schools are not really suited for full randomness. The whole thing is ill-conceived, and I fear that the change will make things worse in the sense that it will just open a host of new construction sites.

Ah, but what do I know.

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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 23, 2016 08:09 PM
Edited by Stevie at 20:09, 23 Mar 2016.

You know nothing, that's why you got kicked!
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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
posted March 23, 2016 08:19 PM

B-b-but the c-campaign is the m-most imp-portant element of the game!!1

At least they're making their priorities clear, yes...
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Gryphs
Gryphs


Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
posted March 23, 2016 08:23 PM

natalka said:
I have asked why they can`t change all heroes`spec and the answer is because it will ruin the campaigns.

There are other things that can`t be changed because of that.

campaigns


Good to hear the timeless and amazing stories of Ashan will not be ruined thanks to whining fans.

Seriously, no one cares about that crap.
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The_Polyglot
The_Polyglot


Promising
Supreme Hero
Approaching meltdown
posted March 23, 2016 08:23 PM

I always treated campaigns as an optional extra. To date I completed... three campaigns across 6 installments.
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verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
posted March 23, 2016 08:28 PM

natalka said:
I have asked why they can`t change all heroes`spec and the answer is because it will ruin the campaigns.

There are other things that can`t be changed because of that.

campaigns


lol
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