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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 14, 2015 08:18 PM |
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Safe travels Alexine, enjoy your time and I hope to see you back before too long 
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 14, 2015 10:29 PM |
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They did it again. 3 hero classes repeating 2 out of 3 main skills. A monkey randomly typing the keyboard would get a better skill distribution ffs
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 14, 2015 10:41 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
They did it again. 3 hero classes repeating 2 out of 3 main skills. A monkey randomly typing the keyboard would get a better skill distribution ffs
Like I was going to write on the blog, if they could get the damn homepage to work: Good thing we have three different magic classes, it will offer so much diversity. It will be hard to decide which class to play first - the one that has Dark Magic, the one that has Dark Magic or the one that has Dark Magic. 
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted August 14, 2015 10:55 PM |
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Predictable, no? When they get a bit better at something (naming artwork), they screw up with something in return. Karma, it seems.
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"Okay. Look. We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret. But I think we can put our differences behind us. For science. You monster."
GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 14, 2015 10:58 PM |
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It's not just Dark. Because they decided to go with the nerfed ultimate perks (now called Grand Master), every single class must have the racial as one of them, which reduces the variety of said classes. If you then assign Dark Magic to all three classes...that's simply idiotic.
A much better job can be done with several hero classes, as Heroes 5.5 showcases. With no GM perks to bother about, almost every single class has a different starting skill, yet all of them can still access to the racial (or even the ultimate perk, which still exists but Magno made it so it's somewhat inefficient to get it). All of them can access to the ultimate perk too, yet choosing one or other class offers higher skill variety from the get go. It's the total opposite of H7.
I don't care whoever was in charge of desinging H7 Skill system, be Ubisoft, Limbic or both of them. I don't, but they'd made an atrocious job at it. Worse of all, it actually feels deliberate
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 14, 2015 11:11 PM |
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 14, 2015 11:33 PM |
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 14, 2015 11:57 PM |
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Stevie said:
no one can claim a lack of feedback and ideas. There is no excuse.
Yes, I think we can all agree on that. Even if they wouldn't make a system we might pushed for, they should be able to *at least* provide a solid one. Not this garbage.
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WhiteFang
Hired Hero
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posted August 15, 2015 06:36 AM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Stevie said:
no one can claim a lack of feedback and ideas. There is no excuse.
Yes, I think we can all agree on that. Even if they wouldn't make a system we might pushed for, they should be able to *at least* provide a solid one. Not this garbage.
Who do you think is most resonsible for this garbge? By stating garbage, not only I am refering to the skill system, but the general game itself.
Although I hate what Ubi/Limbic have been doing on Heroes 7 so far, I have to admit that I actually quite liked Heroes 5, especially the tribe of the east.
In fact, Heroes 3 is little too old for me now, so Heroes 5 Tribe of the East is my favorite title among the entire series.
The only thing I don't like about this game is the cartoon-like graphics of the creatures.
I thought the skill wheel system was quite interesting, and I also like the blood rage system for orcs, and the alternative upgrade as well.
I know that Erwan Le Breton has been blamed and mocked since his involvement in Heroes 6, but wasn't he the executive producer or something like that for tribe of the east?
In that case, I really don't know why ubisoft is so messing up with Heroes series from the 6th title. Is it Limbic that has so much problem?
Do you think there's a high change that we might get a much better game if Nival were the developers for Heores 7 again?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 15, 2015 01:57 PM |
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WhiteFang said:
I know that Erwan Le Breton has been blamed and mocked since his involvement in Heroes 6, but wasn't he the executive producer or something like that for tribe of the east?
I believe so, he was involved in TotE production. But how could you defend him after the series went according to his vision in H6 & H7?
WhiteFang said:
In that case, I really don't know why ubisoft is so messing up with Heroes series from the 6th title. Is it Limbic that has so much problem?
You got it wrong. Limbic work at H6 must have been non-existant during game development. Their visible work was during H6 patching (which went awful, but you can hardly put the blame to them there) and H7. Be by budget constains or what not, H7 doesn't look good.
WhiteFang said:
Do you think there's a high change that we might get a much better game if Nival were the developers for Heores 7 again?
Yes, it could have been better. Although is important to note that Nival had their fair share of crazy ideas.
Truthfully, the main reason I could have favoured Nival for H6 was their Heroes development experience, which is something all Ubi Heroes devs are lacking. But even that isn't a given, H5 optimization was really bad.
In any case, we are talking about 'what ifs' that will never happen, Ubisoft & Nival splitted paths and won't join again.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 15, 2015 02:12 PM |
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WhiteFang said:
Who do you think is most resonsible for this garbge? By stating garbage, not only I am refering to the skill system, but the general game itself.
I know that Erwan Le Breton has been blamed and mocked since his involvement in Heroes 6, but wasn't he the executive producer or something like that for tribe of the east?
In that case, I really don't know why ubisoft is so messing up with Heroes series from the 6th title. Is it Limbic that has so much problem?
according to people in the know, the people primarily responsible for the success of Heroes 5 were Nival and the Ubisoft producer Fabrice Cambounet, who fell on his sword to make a good game happen around the time of TotE, was basically fired and replaced by Erwin lol
in Heroes 6 the creative director was Erwin, producer was Erwin, game designer at Ubisoft was Loďc Portnoé, lead designer at Black Hole was Gábor Szabó, Black Hole blamed Erwin for this game's horrible decisions, and Erwin accepted responsibility for many of them at the fan day with Galaad and Stevie
in Heroes 7 the creative director is Erwin, producer is Gary Paulini, lead designer at Ubisoft is Xavier Penin, boss at Limbic is Stephan Winter, and despite Arnaud claiming that Erwin has no power over this game, he again in that interview speaks as if he has control and almost all of its bad decisions curiously align with his personal preferences lol
so apportion your blame wherever you suspect it's necessary lol
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 15, 2015 02:47 PM |
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verriker said:
according to people in the know, the people primarily responsible for the success of Heroes 5 were Nival and the Ubisoft producer Fabrice Cambounet, who fell on his sword to make a good game happen around the time of TotE, was basically fired and replaced by Erwin lol
You are not fired (or reassigned to browser game) for doing good job (there were constant problems with Ubisoft-Nival communication) and both HOMM5 vanillia and Farmers of Hate weren't good games either.
ToE fixed many issue and added many features suggested by fans since HoMM5 annoucment by Ubi in 2005 (it took 2 add-ons to have a good Heroes game eventually).
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It's Elvin not Erwin. 
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 15, 2015 03:05 PM |
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Avonu said:
You are not fired (or reassigned to browser game) for doing good job (there were constant problems with Ubisoft-Nival communication) and both HOMM5 vanillia and Farmers of Hate weren't good games either.
ToE fixed many issue and added many features suggested by fans since HoMM5 annoucment by Ubi in 2005 (it took 2 add-ons to have a good Heroes game eventually).
I don't really agree with that assessment basically because of the testimony from quantomas here and here,
Fabrice put out a crap game initially and is to blame for that, but he is also ultimately responsible for turning it around into a very good game and bowing out gracefully, whereas Erwin's leadership not only put out one crap game and left it crap forever, but is also polluting the next one too lol
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 15, 2015 03:37 PM |
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verriker said:
I don't really agree with that assessment basically because of the testimony from quantomas here and here
Thank you for digging up those posts, I had forgotten them. The latter in particular is enlightening ...
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 15, 2015 04:02 PM |
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Are the dungeon heroes specs of the shadow sorceress/r? Like the one on the "iconic dungeon hero" page?
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aionb
Known Hero
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posted August 15, 2015 04:24 PM |
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I missed those posts by the time they were written but going through them now and knowing who Quantomas is, they are indeed a very enlightening read, thank you verriker.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted August 15, 2015 08:23 PM |
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 15, 2015 08:30 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Gamescom 2015 Heroes VII
Lol, that pols! I think Erwan likes the boys! (Like I do)
I'm ashamed to be gay now! :-p
And that woman with that sword! LOL!
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 15, 2015 08:33 PM |
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted August 15, 2015 08:45 PM |
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Stevie said:
dark-whisperer said:
Gamescom 2015 Heroes VII
Dungeon, like the mafia in the world of Might & Magic. - Erwan le Breton, Gamescom, 2015.
OK! That does it! *Dies from laughter*
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
