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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted December 15, 2015 09:49 AM |
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Elvin said:
Silent people either cannot be bothered to post because things are too obvious, or they are tolerant or they don't even know. The people I used to play H2-H4 hotseat with didn't even know there was an H7. Reactions to the features/gameplay/content/lineups were mixed to negative.
That is my experience as well. I have convinced many of them to try out H5 TotE though 
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted December 15, 2015 10:24 AM |
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Brukernavn said:
Doublepost - remove.
You can remove the post in the 'Edit' option. You just tick a box that is above the post's title.
Did these people, with whom you played older Heroes titles, like TotE? I'm curious what they think about this game.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted December 15, 2015 10:51 AM |
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Karanshade said:
In which case , congrats , you managed to destroy the only guy inside who was actually listening to you (or at least to the ones here that are worth listening) and trying to relay on how to improve the game.
He might have omited to listen to those whose suggestion where basically sumed up as 'buuurn buuurn buuuurn'; but basically any sane person would.
But yeaaaaahh he s fired yippeeeee (I guess)
lol he was joking mate, there's no chance gomaki would be fired just for making a laughably bad and nonsensical argument, if that was grounds for termination I think all of Team Erwin and Limbic would have been sacked long ago lol
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted December 15, 2015 10:53 AM |
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There are lots of us that just keep observing but not posting because there is no reason for us to post. After all, even when we do, we usualy get ignored 
If by active you mean people discussing here, those are about 10 or so people 
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted December 15, 2015 11:06 AM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Brukernavn said:
Doublepost - remove.
You can remove the post in the 'Edit' option. You just tick a box that is above the post's title.
Did these people, with whom you played older Heroes titles, like TotE? I'm curious what they think about this game.
Thanks, didn't know about that. 
Yes, most of those who actually tried the game enjoyed it. Not all liked alternative upgrades though. Those who didn't want to try were mostly put off by the 3D, or were not interested in investing time in a new game regardless.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted December 15, 2015 11:11 AM |
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articun said:
There are lots of us that just keep observing but not posting because there is no reason for us to post.
Counts for me. Well, and besides the fact that I am too busy with other stuff right now. But I still check HC a few times per day and read up what others have to say - just in case it's an intelligent post .
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted December 15, 2015 11:39 AM |
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articun said:
There are lots of us that just keep observing but not posting because there is no reason for us to post.
Same here. Still playing and enjoying the game. Im still reading HC but cannot be bothered to respond.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 15, 2015 01:28 PM |
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Karanshade said:
Galaad said:
3lion said:
Since you are not a majority you can't represent a voice of a community
OpenCritic said:
MIGHT & MAGIC HEROES VII (September 29th, 2015)
http://opencritic.com/#!game/1793/might-magic-heroes-vii
62/100
Might & Magic Heroes VII is ranked in the bottom 18.8% of games scored on OpenCritic
12% of critics recommend this game
Please tell me your localisation so I can provide you with appropriate translator.
Well you are a minority. This forum represents a minority of heroes player. Those hardocore enough to write about it. Then there is a slightly larger group , still very minor , those who bother reporting about a game. together , two two groups might not make it to 1% of the players. So you can not ever imagine that 'people have spoken ' because two or three or god forbid ten or twenty posters here would agree on anything (less than probable here ) , they would still amount to nothing in terms of being a legitimate 'voice of the players'. They would however form a rather informed opinion. (yeaaah 1337 !)
Good games get good critics, bad games get bad ones, as simple as that. Then you can speculate all you want, to justify you enjoy a bad game.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted December 15, 2015 02:24 PM |
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Edited by PandaTar at 14:27, 15 Dec 2015.
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Brukernavn said:
You seem to assume that those who are not active disagree with the vocal fans? That's an argument from silence.
Exactly. The fact that they neither object nor condone the current state of affairs publicly doesn't mean they don't have a critical view about it or think everything is just fine. This is the only community I voice anything regarding a game (given it's allowed to do so). For all other games I played, good or bad, I react silently (for the good ones, I usually write a review). For those I don't like, I stop playing and I surely voice directly to friends I learn are wanting to play it, to avoid playing or argument about it. Most of the times I influence more people outside digital means than in them, and a couple of friends, who were willing to know about H7 got my impressions of it, and they agreed upon not being a good thing to play these days.
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Not all liked alternative upgrades though...
Funny thing. Me neither. I felt like my former self were in charge. When I was younger, I always loved of idea of having many upgrades, but I don't feel like having any upgrades these days at all, at least not 'forced' ones just to make numbers. So, in the end, I felt like it was a bit overwhelming, not to mention it was balanced in a way that some were too much better than others.
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GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Bitula
Known Hero
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posted December 15, 2015 03:00 PM |
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During my innocent  reading I find some people experience improvements in the AI after patches. Some even find it good after latest patch. Others say it is dumb like hell, but these are who admittedly didn’t even buy the game…  , or stopped playing it before relevant patches. So to be a bit more objective I would like to ask: those who still play the game and dislike it, do they still (after patch 1.6) find the AI extremely dumb or there are significant improvements?
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted December 15, 2015 03:07 PM |
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Edited by natalka at 15:16, 15 Dec 2015.
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don`t know about computer opponents. AI as neutral monsters is arround h5 level. Not entirely sure but I developed new strategy to beat them and I am lazy to test it if it will work in h5. But I am considerably better in creeping, beware !
The infamous combat map with the bridge as only crossable point I haven`t encountered so maybe the AI plays stupidly there. There is one other map with a wagon on the upper side where there is AI exploit but other than that it behaves very smart - if one stack is blocked by other stacks of the AI it uses cover and then it gets out of the cover just in time when one of the other stacks dies so that stack could hit me also.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted December 15, 2015 04:56 PM |
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natalka said:
don`t know about computer opponents. AI as neutral monsters is arround h5 level. Not entirely sure but I developed new strategy to beat them and I am lazy to test it if it will work in h5. But I am considerably better in creeping, beware !
The infamous combat map with the bridge as only crossable point I haven`t encountered so maybe the AI plays stupidly there. There is one other map with a wagon on the upper side where there is AI exploit but other than that it behaves very smart - if one stack is blocked by other stacks of the AI it uses cover and then it gets out of the cover just in time when one of the other stacks dies so that stack could hit me also.
I would like just to remind to people who consider H7 AI to be stupid to remember H6 one. In the final versions of the game and in its datadisc, it still does the following things:
- does not usually wait when it is neutrals' turn
- uses the same spells and abilities and, what's more, usually attacks the same unit - so if you are smart enough, you can predict which unit will be attacked by all attacks and use reinforcements on it at the beginnning of the combat (this was btw. one of the abilities we annoyed me the most in H6) - you can reduce your losses on minimum or often on O. The same problem even with might heroes in H6 - they were usually incredibly easy to be beat compared to the magic ones.
- sends the same heroes with similar armies to attack. This is connected with cheating - every week AI send to you the same hero.
Totally boring and annoying factor.
- sometimes ignores my heroes and passes near them (the same as they would not be there)
I know this is H7 discussion thread. But I want to tell you to compare H7 AI with perspective, especially as it is still being improved. I would also highlight some common problems to avoid repeating them again H7.
Btw. I hope gomaki will return back soon, he was the only who was still speaking with us
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted December 15, 2015 05:13 PM |
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Antalyan said:
But I want to tell you to compare H7 AI with perspective, especially as it is still being improved. I would also highlight some common problems to avoid repeating them again H7.
Of course. I agree with perspective thing. But, I find that the only logical thing is to compare something to the best of, not worst of. So, when I talk about H7 AI, I have Q's H5 AI in mind
As for H6 AI, I agree with you.
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"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted December 15, 2015 05:18 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
Antalyan said:
But I want to tell you to compare H7 AI with perspective, especially as it is still being improved. I would also highlight some common problems to avoid repeating them again H7.
Of course. I agree with perspective thing. But, I find that the only logical thing is to compare something to the best of, not worst of. So, when I talk about H7 AI, I have Q's H5 AI in mind
As for H6 AI, I agree with you.
Surely new game should be compared eith the best ones, not the worse ones (every aspect should be compared with games which had it the best in series, although it is often very difficult to decide).
But I read somebody's post (somewhere), complaining H7 AI to be worse than H6 one, so this my disagreement.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted December 15, 2015 05:20 PM |
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By the way, I cannot help to myself but it makes me laugh when I see people complaining about H7 very much and writing many negative comments about it even when they have not purchased it
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 15, 2015 05:45 PM |
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted December 15, 2015 05:51 PM |
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Antalyan said:
By the way, I cannot help to myself but it makes me laugh when I see people complaining about H7 very much and writing many negative comments about it even when they have not purchased it
Yeah, why? It is only logical that if you dislike the game, you don't buy it. And if you like the series, you discuss on how to improve it. Also, as release version was no different than beta, I think that if you've played beta you can discuss the game.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted December 15, 2015 06:07 PM |
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yeah, most of ppl are complaining about things that haven`t changed - hero specializations, skillwheels, etc.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted December 15, 2015 06:17 PM |
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Because usually if you don't buy the game, you have no idea what its current state is. Of course if you see the game at your friends... watch many gameplays etc., it is OK.
But sometimes it seems to me some people have seen the beta only and after then they just keep repeating "this game is a crap, fire Ubi".
Also I think Ubilimbic team should follow the advice of people who actually play(ed) the game. People claiming: "do this, this and this, and then I might consider buying it" - this will not help much. Usually people coming with the most useful ideas are the ones who have some hope for this game and who want to play it but some elements destroy their game experience, not the people who dislike (or at least who seems to dislike) most of the game's elements. I mean, if you don't like the basement of the game, you can hardly be satissfied with improvements which can be done. (However this does not mean these people cannot come up with good ideas. Sometimes they can be very helpful - but most of them just keep trolling).
I expect many people to disagree with me. But tell me - if you have no belief in this game and you don't believe it can ever be good, why you are here? To share your thoughts how is everything in H7 bad? This helps nothing here. Ubisoft is responsible for decisions regarding to money and most of development decisions. You adress your dissatisfaction with them on SC. But here we are trying to provide different improvements for the people who are still playing H7 or who want to play it. To make the game better. And if you don't know the game much, if you don't know how it improved, you may hardly help.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted December 15, 2015 06:21 PM |
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There is also another possibility for people who have not bought H7 yet. They might be asking for things which have not changed yet and which are visible on the first view: heroes specializations, units abilities, class/skill system. This is a good idea I think. The more people asking for it possibly means the more chance to get it.
But saying just: "this game is totally bad, it has bad percentages..." it will not help to improve the game.
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