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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 07, 2014 11:38 AM |
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I can't log in to shadow council, anyone else having this issue ?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 11:41 AM |
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Nope, error message pops up.
They probably closed the log-ins so that they can further update the shadow council feature. Or at least me hopes so. 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 07, 2014 11:42 AM |
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Yes error message. Thanks.
I'll upvote your piece of art next log in because of that girl who said you're a "real man" and sends you her kisses muaha
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 11:45 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Oh yes, we have, on all levels and not exactly subdued or whispering it. 
To no avail, though.
genuinely good to hear that, thanks for trying to get this universe into a good shape, even if they won't listen to reason and insist to pollute Heroes with their dumb ideas and arbitrary constraints
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Dexter
Known Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 11:47 AM |
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verriker said:
JollyJoker said:
Oh yes, we have, on all levels and not exactly subdued or whispering it.
To no avail, though.
genuinely good to hear that, thanks for trying to get this universe into a good shape, even if they won't listen to reason and insist to pollute Heroes with their dumb ideas and arbitrary constraints
Others of us are actually really content with the current universe you know.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 11:49 AM |
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Dexter said:
Others of us are actually really content with the current universe you know.
Try to downplay that, you never know who might be reading these boards and feel encouraged.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 12:00 PM |
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War-overlord said:
ChrisD1 said:
but i think they will help inferno a little to make things interesting. so the reveal will most likely help the side who is losing right now.
Has that tinfoil hat of yours finally fused with your skull?
joking aside they need to keep us busy, until new artoworks etc arrive. it isn't that paranoid as a thought, that they will help the losing faction a little and let us see some changes in the votes here and there. that would so keep us busy.
i'd say the same for any faction being in inferno's place.
you will ask me why hasn't that happened with foretress? well it was their first poll i think.
Dexter said:
Others of us are actually really content with the current universe you know.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 12:03 PM |
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Dexter said:
Others of us are actually really content with the current universe you know.
more power to you guys, then, lol, I hope you're as excited as I am to see the next chapter of the Isabel and Raelag's romance
seriously though, I guess some of us just want the creative directors to, well, be creative, and not impose these random laws of the universe on everything which inevitably come back and bite them when you have to turn it all into an actual game,
be it roadblocks like the demons trapped by the moon, questionable ideas like a core race in every town, the whole dragon god spell system which broke MMX Legacy's balance, nonsense creature backstories like liches or fire giants, or super obsessive compulsive stuff like saying Mercury as a rare resource is against the rules of Ashan
it's really cool having a world if you can make it coherent, compelling and enhance the game,
but this world does nothing but get in the way all the time and make you scratch your head lol
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espen15
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 12:06 PM |
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I would like to see all the factions that were present in Heroes 5+ expansions cause it would make the game more interesting and having more options ensures that game doesnt bore people out in minute one
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Dexter
Known Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 12:13 PM |
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Though I agree that the world could be more coherent, where you see limitations I see order. Personally I wasn’t a great fan of the lore behind NWC’s games (though those were great gameplay wise of course), and I don’t like the way they handled the whole science-fiction element in the previous games. I was actually happy to see a new world, and the effort put into its creation.
Even more so, I don’t mind the idea of some factions being only limited to a specific time period or place, as long as the devs stick to it. For me the lore is extremely important and constitutes one of the most immersive elements in the game. The story of Isabel and Raelag was simply poorly written, and that’s not the problem with the world the story takes place in.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 12:15 PM |
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The pre-Ashan HoMM universe actually allows to simply change things from one game to another, since the portals (the underlying SF background) allows them to switch to different continents of the same world or even switch the whole world. That makes it possible to go new ways and explore all kinds of new stuff, which is one of the reasons why the series (and M&M as an RP) got its reputation and fan base. You can just switch the stage and, voila, new rules.
I've said it a couple of times already, but it's ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS better, if there isn't a really solid, reasonable explanation for things, it's better to leave it in the dark (Example: Battle Star Galactica, new TV series), and leave it to the audience to fill in the blank, because in that case everyone will paste together their individual explanation that everyone can buy. If you DELIVER too much, people are left to either buy it or not, and inevitable part of the audience will NOT buy the explanation you deliver.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 12:37 PM |
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Dexter said:
Though I agree that the world could be more coherent, where you see limitations I see order. Personally I wasn’t a great fan of the lore behind NWC’s games (though those were great gameplay wise of course), and I don’t like the way they handled the whole science-fiction element in the previous games. I was actually happy to see a new world, and the effort put into its creation.
Even more so, I don’t mind the idea of some factions being only limited to a specific time period or place, as long as the devs stick to it. For me the lore is extremely important and constitutes one of the most immersive elements in the game. The story of Isabel and Raelag was simply poorly written, and that’s not the problem with the world the story takes place in.
basically that's all well and good to scrap everything for a different universe you made up, until you find yourself asking fans to vote for what they want to see, many of whom want the previous universe back lol, so tradition and nostalgia seep in and start to dismantle the whole thing
with the moon phoenix, and even now the reluctance to vote for Dungeon because it will be full of elves, you see yourself how the logical expectations of fans quickly clash with the setup in Ashan
like Jolly Joker says also, they defined too many obscure rules and poorly explained so many things already that people need a bible to ever keep track of it, I mean who on this forum knew about different species of demons and the other basic facts of that race until Marzhin came in and had to spell that out?
for me also, ridiculous plots like Isabel and Raelag do diminish the world overall, because they're part of its history and we're expected to accept they happened or will happen,
like the same way you might be bothered as well if someone tells you it will start to rain clowns and elephants in 2017, it doesn't really follow lol
as I say before, I think Ashan work so much better as a cool foil to Might and Magic if it were a different IP, I mean the Disciples series pretty much is Ashan done right IMO, with cool gods, a serious tone and none of that horrible sci-fi Erwin hates
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 07, 2014 12:53 PM |
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verriker said:
I mean who on this forum knew about different species of demons and the other basic facts of that race until Marzhin came in and had to spell that out?
*rises hand*
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 01:01 PM |
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Avonu said:
verriker said:
I mean who on this forum knew about different species of demons and the other basic facts of that race until Marzhin came in and had to spell that out?
*rises hand*
*rises hand as well*
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 01:02 PM |
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Avonu said:
*rises hand*
if you even knew everything they didn't tell us before, like different types of imps for each overlord and demons being able to change overlord alignment, I bow to your psychic powers and wish we all had them lol
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 07, 2014 01:06 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Avonu said:
verriker said:
I mean who on this forum knew about different species of demons and the other basic facts of that race until Marzhin came in and had to spell that out?
*rises hand*
*rises hand as well*
*rises hand and looks around*
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 07, 2014 01:07 PM |
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verriker said:
if you even knew everything they didn't tell us before
Of course not all, but I know few things about this or that in Ashan.
Also *points on Dexter*
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 01:14 PM |
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Avonu said:
Of course not all, but I know few things about this or that in Ashan.
Also *points on Dexter*
uh then like I say, if you didn't know those pretty major, important facts about demons which were never mentioned in the games or anywhere else before then, you probably shouldn't be raising your hands to say you did lol
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 01:18 PM |
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verriker said:
uh then like I say, if you didn't know those pretty major, important facts about demons which were never mentioned in the games or anywhere else before then, you probably shouldn't be raising your hands to say you did lol
Well obviously we do not know things that have never been disclosed.
But between the Lore-hounds on this forum we can piece together pretty much anything that has.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted October 07, 2014 01:32 PM |
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Edited by Marzhin at 13:54, 07 Oct 2014.
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verriker said:
those pretty major, important facts about demons which were never mentioned in the games or anywhere else before then
Does that prevent anybody from enjoying the game, though? I don't think so.
In that regard, Ashan is not better or worse than the Ancient Universe. In H3, most fans were (some of them still are!) not aware that the devils of the Inferno faction (and possibly other types of demons, that was never completely clear) were actually aliens from outer space.
Where do Kreegans come from? How do they reproduce? Do they have a home planet? Why are they at war with the Ancients anyway? If I follow your logic, these are also "pretty major, important facts which were never mentioned in the games or anywhere else". edit: some of these are answered in the Might & Magic RPGs, but never in Heroes.
And you know why? Because, in truth, they're not that important. As a fan on the Ancient Universe I would have loved to see the NWC writers share that lore somewhere, but not knowing didn't prevent anybody from enjoying the games.
And that's the same for the reincarnation cycle of the Ashan Demons and other similar trivia. It's only shared because some people like Avonu and me actually like that kind of fluff. But if you care only about the gameplay, you don't need to know all that stuff and, in all likelihood, you don't even want to know. And that's fine.
With all that said, it's worth noting that even when stating things clearly some fans will still misunderstand things and then spread these false facts or inaccuracies. Look at the Might & Magic Wikia. Following yesterday's Tales of the Ten Years War article, they have updated their pages: apparently Rowena of Unicorn sacrificed herself to save her army and she's [url=http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Kilburn_(H6)]Lord Kilburn's daughter[/url]... 
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