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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 07, 2014 01:39 PM |
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Quote:
How do they reproduce?
Like ants most likely.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 01:42 PM |
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I am now well aware that this community doesn't deserve Marzhin in the slightest. I can't believe some of you.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 07, 2014 01:43 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Where do Kreegans come from?
They fell on Enroth from Sagittarius constellation. 
Marzhin said:
How do they reproduce?
Counting that their life cycle waw described similar to ants or locusts and looking at Kreegan Queen desing, I think we can tell, how they reproduce.
Marzhin said:
Why are they at war with the Ancients anyway?
Ask Creators about it. 
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted October 07, 2014 01:43 PM |
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Stevie said:
I had to force myself to read the last pages because my blood was starting to boil.
It's sad to see that people still believe in an Eclipse story after it was mentioned by Marzhin and repeatedly quoted that there won't be one.
I realise I was one of the people who wrote that, but that was because I never read what Marzhin had written about it - or at least, it didn't register consciously in my mind. However, no one pointed me to a source that contradicted my assumption.
I've since read Marzhin's reply here that he's going to write it down (again) in a possible next update regarding Inferno, so I'm fine with accepting the fact that any Inferno campaign won't be about an Eclipse or invasion, based on that assertion alone.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted October 07, 2014 01:46 PM |
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Avonu said:
Counting that their life cycle waw described similar to ants or locusts and looking at Kreegan Queen desing, I think we can tell, how they reproduce.
I was talking about what you know about them from playing Heroes
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 01:48 PM |
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Maurice said:
Stevie said:
I had to force myself to read the last pages because my blood was starting to boil.
It's sad to see that people still believe in an Eclipse story after it was mentioned by Marzhin and repeatedly quoted that there won't be one.
I realise I was one of the people who wrote that, but that was because I never read what Marzhin had written about it - or at least, it didn't register consciously in my mind. However, no one pointed me to a source that contradicted my assumption.
Oh, really?! Check this post of yours and mine exactly bellow, link.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 07, 2014 01:51 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Avonu said:
Counting that their life cycle waw described similar to ants or locusts and looking at Kreegan Queen desing, I think we can tell, how they reproduce.
I was talking about what you know about them from playing Heroes
Oh, then you should mention that in you post in more directly way.
Anyway, according to AB when Kreegan Succubus enthrall Enrathian Knight an Efreet is born.
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 01:59 PM |
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Edited by verriker at 14:03, 07 Oct 2014.
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the thing is, trivia or fluff to me is something like what do elves like to eat and drink, or whatever,
but knowing that the demons are in a loop of reincarnation and are all bound to a certain overlord, like, useful rules the audience should know in advance in a story about demons
I mean you can't really say it doesn't matter, like knowing the Kreegans home planet, when reincarnation pretty much explains what was going on with Biara in Heroes 5 and clears up a lot of Heroes 6, all it is to never make this clear is choppy storytelling
not to mention, nobody ever said the old universe was flawless, but on the other hand here was Erwin's description for the new universe
"I think that the best praise we could get for this new universe is that it “feels strong and it feels real”. All of the different factions have very good reasons to justify their existence and their ongoing struggles with the rival nations. All of the characters have legitimate motivations and credible mindsets. The drama is tight, focused on a long chain of major events that covers millennia of spoken myths and written history."
doesn't feel too real or tight to me so far lol
and yeah, I thought the motives and reproduction cycle of the Kreegans were pretty well explained in MM6 and MM8, but maybe that's just me lol
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted October 07, 2014 02:16 PM |
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verriker said:
but knowing that the demons are in a loop of reincarnation and are all bound to a certain overlord, like, useful rules the audience should know in advance in a story about demons
I mean you can't really say it doesn't matter, like knowing the Kreegans home planet, when reincarnation pretty much explains what was going on with Biara in Heroes 5 and clears up a lot of Heroes 6, all it is to never make this clear is choppy storytelling
These things are mentioned a few times during Heroes VI, in creature descriptions, in Hero bios, and especially during the Inferno campaign... (I remember for instance that you can get Veyer as a secondary hero and he talks about his "reincarnation angst" at some point.)
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 02:20 PM |
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Marzhin said:
verriker said:
but knowing that the demons are in a loop of reincarnation and are all bound to a certain overlord, like, useful rules the audience should know in advance in a story about demons
I mean you can't really say it doesn't matter, like knowing the Kreegans home planet, when reincarnation pretty much explains what was going on with Biara in Heroes 5 and clears up a lot of Heroes 6, all it is to never make this clear is choppy storytelling
These things are mentioned a few times during Heroes VI, in creature descriptions, in Hero bios, and especially during the Inferno campaign... (I remember for instance that you can get Veyer as a secondary hero and he talks about his "reincarnation angst" at some point.)
True. I even got a QP for explaining all that.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted October 07, 2014 02:20 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 14:21, 07 Oct 2014.
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Stevie said:
Oh, really?! Check this post of yours and mine exactly bellow, link.
I ... actually missed that post, and a lot of the posts below it. Reading them now, I know I didn't read them before. I guess I was wrapped up in something else and only skimmed through the rather fast growth of numerous H7 topics at that time.
My bad.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 02:26 PM |
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Marzhin said:
These things are mentioned a few times during Heroes VI, in creature descriptions, in Hero bios, and especially during the Inferno campaign... (I remember for instance that you can get Veyer as a secondary hero and he talks about his "reincarnation angst" at some point.)
but never once in H5, where it would turn your perspective on the demons and the grey alliance failure upside down
probably it was all a retcon added in later lol
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 02:27 PM |
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Marzhin said:
verriker said:
but knowing that the demons are in a loop of reincarnation and are all bound to a certain overlord, like, useful rules the audience should know in advance in a story about demons
I mean you can't really say it doesn't matter, like knowing the Kreegans home planet, when reincarnation pretty much explains what was going on with Biara in Heroes 5 and clears up a lot of Heroes 6, all it is to never make this clear is choppy storytelling
These things are mentioned a few times during Heroes VI, in creature descriptions, in Hero bios, and especially during the Inferno campaign... (I remember for instance that you can get Veyer as a secondary hero and he talks about his "reincarnation angst" at some point.)
Yeah I recall that as well I swear there is a whole legion dedicated to guarding the breeder queen as well? Going by one of the bio's or its just that certain inferno hero job to do so.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 07, 2014 02:29 PM |
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verriker said:
Marzhin said:
These things are mentioned a few times during Heroes VI, in creature descriptions, in Hero bios, and especially during the Inferno campaign... (I remember for instance that you can get Veyer as a secondary hero and he talks about his "reincarnation angst" at some point.)
but never once in H5, where it would turn your perspective on the demons and the grey alliance failure upside down
probably it was all a retcon added in later lol
Ashan demons live cycle was mentioned for first time in H5:ToE, where Arantir explained to Ornella that if demon is killed, (s)he will be renicarnated as Imp.
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 07, 2014 02:34 PM |
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Question: Will there be Mercenary Heroes in H7?
Heroes unaffiliated with any of the factions, available for hire in Taverns?
The reason I ask is: In Heroes 6 nearly every Hero class wore the same uniforms - that could as well have been T-shirts with "I'm Team Elrath" (etc.) on them -
and had lengthy descriptions that pretty much removed any ambiguity regarding faction loyalty (unless explicitly stated otherwise).
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 02:51 PM |
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All beside the point.
The problem with the lore is, that it's sold as FACT. It's not sold as something people(s) BELIEVE in to explain their world, there is no doubt it happened that way and the Dragon Gods are as real as Asha and Urgash and everything else.
(However, the Orcs are DISbelieving it willingly which somewhat doesn't make a lot of sense, considering that THEY know things for fact as well.)
The problem is, everything DID happen in a CERTAIN way: the orcs were made by the Wizards (and also all the other Beastmen, and while that is an explanation, it's also an explanation which isn't necessary. It would be WAY better, if that was only ONE story (of many) - a legend - people would tell at the campfire to explain the way things are, one among others, that might or might not be true (the reason being that we ourselves don't know much with certainty).
There isn't much room now for Magic being different than the way it is now, since it's explained, and it opens a lot of questions - it's never good when such a "discipline" or "science" is fully known, which it is, in theory.
In short, Ashan's peoples BELIEVING in "Dragon Gods", instead of KNOWING about them and everything connected would have been better, instead of those people all knowing exactly how their world came to pass.
I mean, ask yourself a question: if you KNEW all these things - why would you follow a specific Dragon God? Wouldn't you follow Asha?
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 02:57 PM |
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I agree with the Set-in-Stone type of story. It shouldn't be that way, it should be a belief. Even semi-certainty is better than total certainty which imo bends the lore into fatalism. I don't like that in a fantasy universe.
But other than that I'm simply compelled to disagree with JJ because of principles and stuff...
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 03:01 PM |
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OMG! Stevie expressing criticism?! [Runs to the window to see if pigs are flying by]
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 03:11 PM |
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Well...
DUH!!
Just that I'm restraining myself for Marzhin's sake. You know, I want to be... civilized 
Seriously now, Ashan is not that great, but not that terrible either. And I have reasons for hope.  I certainly see Ubi/Limbic paying attention to the community a big step in the right direction.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 03:19 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
All beside the point.
The problem with the lore is, that it's sold as FACT. It's not sold as something people(s) BELIEVE in to explain their world, there is no doubt it happened that way and the Dragon Gods are as real as Asha and Urgash and everything else.
(However, the Orcs are DISbelieving it willingly which somewhat doesn't make a lot of sense, considering that THEY know things for fact as well.)
The problem is, everything DID happen in a CERTAIN way: the orcs were made by the Wizards (and also all the other Beastmen, and while that is an explanation, it's also an explanation which isn't necessary. It would be WAY better, if that was only ONE story (of many) - a legend - people would tell at the campfire to explain the way things are, one among others, that might or might not be true (the reason being that we ourselves don't know much with certainty).
There isn't much room now for Magic being different than the way it is now, since it's explained, and it opens a lot of questions - it's never good when such a "discipline" or "science" is fully known, which it is, in theory.
In short, Ashan's peoples BELIEVING in "Dragon Gods", instead of KNOWING about them and everything connected would have been better, instead of those people all knowing exactly how their world came to pass.
I mean, ask yourself a question: if you KNEW all these things - why would you follow a specific Dragon God? Wouldn't you follow Asha?
I'm going to ask one more question.
Was the enroth lore so analyzed and so nit picked you couldn't go any further? I bet it wasn't perfect either.
And if someone played the detective, trying to find faults to it incessantly, because it replaced his/her favorite franchise, he/she would find lots of stuff(even if they weren't there in the first place).
Overanalyzing ashan is trendy, i get it, but can we give it a little love and time to breathe? these discussions are gettting exhausting to scroll through.
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