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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 07, 2014 03:20 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 15:20, 07 Oct 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
Overanalyzing ashan is trendy, i get it
I'll say, even the devs are doing it.
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted October 07, 2014 03:31 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
In short, Ashan's peoples BELIEVING in "Dragon Gods", instead of KNOWING about them and everything connected would have been better, instead of those people all knowing exactly how their world came to pass.
This.
In any fantasy I ever read where gods played an important part the mortals and their relationship with the religions was what made the story. Their faith, dedication, fear of other/own gods anger, the religious institutions -self imposed or not- effect on the culture. All of these angles on the story are left unexplored if there is certainity. Even the story of a mere peasant could be made interesting by telling a fraction of a fraction of a gods aspect and the faith surrounding it.
But now we are left with certainity and there is hardly anything left to explore without retconning stuff or introducing even more convoluted lore.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 03:35 PM |
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Stevie said:
Well...DUH!! 
Just that I'm restraining myself for Marzhin's sake. You know, I want to be... civilized 
Marzhin's a big boy who can handle himself. No need to treat him with kid gloves. Also, I think it would be false to say we blame him for the mess. If anyone, we blame Erwan, and maybe Fabrice, and maybe the Ubisoft BoD.
Also, much of the vehement criticism is a "Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained"-effort. If you don't ask for big changes, you'll not get them.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 07, 2014 03:38 PM |
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But flanking, that's a pretty big change right?
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 03:43 PM |
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Avirosb said:
But flanking, that's a pretty big change right?
I don't recall ever seeing anyone ask for that one though? I may be wrong and I don't see what goes on on the Insider's side of things.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 03:45 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Also, I think it would be false to say we blame him for the mess. If anyone, we blame Erwan, and maybe Fabrice, and maybe the Ubisoft BoD.
personally I don't even really blame any of those folks, despite my avatar lol, probably it has a lot to do with Ubi as a company
they want a big brand they can milk into the ground like Assassin's Creed, and you're not gonna get that from straightforward, simple little tales like Heroes 2 lol,
no we gotta complicate everything and make it big and bold and bland
ChrisD1 said:
Overanalyzing ashan is trendy, i get it, but can we give it a little love and time to breathe?
it's had over eight years and like ten games dude lol
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted October 07, 2014 04:20 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Marzhin's a big boy who can handle himself. No need to treat him with kid gloves.
Indeed. I'm not taking any of this stuff personally in any case.
And you probably remember I was not a big fan of Ashan to begin with. It did grow on me though. I think it has potential for great stories, and I feel most of the games so far have not done the setting justice (for many reasons, not all Ubi's fault). But it's getting better.
Some of the criticism towards Ashan is certainly deserved, but some of it seems unfair to me. That's when I'll chime in. But in any case it will just be my opinion, and I certainly don't think of myself as the Voice of God 
My philosophy is basically: don't spit against the wind. Like it or not, Ashan is here to stay. Since I'm now part of the writing team, I'll do my best to improve it, to tell some (hopefully) nice stories in the spirit of the NWC era, and when I can I'll bring back some of the flavour of the old universe (Erwan is actually pretty open-minded about that, as long as you don't have cyborgs roaming around).
And like many fans I'd certainly like this universe to move forward, beyond Dark Messiah, into the brave new world of the blank timeline, where anything is possible
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 04:27 PM |
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Thank you very much, Marzhin.
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Dexter
Known Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 04:30 PM |
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I’ll have to agree that some things should remain a legend or a myth, which the characters either believe or reject adding depth to the story. On the other hand I’d rather have one world with consistent rules for me to explore, rather than switching from one to another with every game, never really knowing what happened.
Generally speaking, I think it’s a matter of perspective. For some of you the freedom of switching to a new setting with every game was an expression of creativity, while I consider it to be very unimaginative and simply confusing. I’d rather have a single world to explore throughout many games and learn of its history (sort of like in the Lord of the Rings franchise) than start anew every few years.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted October 07, 2014 04:32 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 16:34, 07 Oct 2014.
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Marzhin said:
(Erwan is actually pretty open-minded about that, as long as you don't have cyborgs roaming around).
But ... if we go far enough in time, wouldn't the inhabitants of Ashan keep developing more and more advanced technologies until eventually Cyborgs (as well as nuclear missiles and orbital ion cannons) become a reality?
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 04:34 PM |
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Marzhin said:
My philosophy is basically: don't spit against the wind. Like it or not, Ashan is here to stay.)
hahahahahha this might be my new signature!
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted October 07, 2014 04:42 PM |
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Maurice said:
Marzhin said:
(Erwan is actually pretty open-minded about that, as long as you don't have cyborgs roaming around).
But ... if we go far enough in time, wouldn't the inhabitants of Ashan keep developing more and more advanced technologies until eventually Cyborgs (as well as nuclear missiles and orbital ion cannons) become a reality?
That's the reason we need the Heavenly Forge in Heroes VII
But, I dread the moment they'll transpose the factions into some cheap sci-fi adaptation.
Can you imagine the Griffin solar empire? The Asha's cult union? The Urgash's fleet of destruction? The Irollan Confederation? The Free Star Republic (There you go, Sidious was a wizard)?
By the way that would be ripping off Warhammer 40k
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 05:10 PM |
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Still expecting website update. Any moment now...
Please introduce the level + achievement systems while the hype's still up.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 07, 2014 05:12 PM |
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Updates are usually published around 6pm, you know.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 06:02 PM |
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It's 2 minutes past 6pm and still nothing. I'm going to dinner...
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted October 07, 2014 06:04 PM |
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What's the timezone you're referring to?
You know, we hail from different parts of the world after all...
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 07, 2014 06:11 PM |
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Neraus said:
What's the timezone you're referring to?
You know, we hail from different parts of the world after all...
CEST, obviously.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 06:23 PM |
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Well, ate, refreshed the site, and still nothing. But hey, no one said we'd get daily updates. Was nice it lasted for a while tho. I'd surely like some more.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 07, 2014 06:35 PM |
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Stevie said:
Well, ate, refreshed the site, and still nothing. But hey, no one said we'd get daily updates. Was nice it lasted for a while tho. I'd surely like some more.
Just when you posted that, Dungeon came out!
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 07, 2014 06:35 PM |
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Stevie said:
Well, ate, refreshed the site, and still nothing. But hey, no one said we'd get daily updates. Was nice it lasted for a while tho. I'd surely like some more.
You were saying? 
You're so impatient lol
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