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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 24, 2015 10:51 PM |
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You guys don't actually buy that silly story about Angels looking beautiful into the eyes of the beholder, right? I mean, you don't go around preaching the virtues of the Light when your own appearances is basically a lie, lol.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted March 24, 2015 10:56 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Easy. Humans were easier to manipulate, especially as their god Ylath was pretty much leaving them to their own devices without giving them much guidance.
But had they just put in the extra effort they could of had a superior species.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted March 24, 2015 10:57 PM |
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Stevie said:
I mean, you don't go around preaching the virtues of the Light when your own appearances is basically a lie, lol.
It would be a lie if they were doing it on purpose (like Faceless do). Angels are what they are, and radiating beauty is part of that.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted March 24, 2015 11:08 PM |
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Is Uriel in fact Christopher Walken?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted March 24, 2015 11:26 PM |
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New heroes looks great, I could do with more goofy portraits like this 
And I don't care if it's reused, actual backgrounds for once!
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 12:12 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 00:22, 25 Mar 2015.
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Marzhin said:
It would be a lie if they were doing it on purpose (like Faceless do). Angels are what they are, and radiating beauty is part of that.
Of course it's a lie, they are deceiving their viewer into perceiving something that is not real, irrespective of their intent to do so or not. Intent decides guilt, not truth value. Actually, they're better at deceit than their Faceless enemies because they even have the perfect excuse for it - "we can't help it, that's how we are". And I'm in no way blaming them for what they are, not them. It's not like Angels wrote themselves into Ashan. I mean, honestly now Marzhin, don't you find it at the very least inappropriate that beings preaching truth and justice and light are in fact deceitful in their very essence? Why the part about the passive "cast illusion of attractiveness on viewer"?
And has anyone given it a bit of thought as to where basing the looks of one race on the viewer's race would lead? I mean, it's easy to imagine an Angel assuming human/elf/dwarf forms because they're more or less the same, but what would an Angel look like to a Naga for example? Would it have the lower half of a snake and snake hair? How about to a Dragon? Or an Unicorn? Or better yet, to a Spider? Would it have 8 legs and 8 eyes and fangs? I don't even want to imagine what an Angel might look like to Mother Namtaru, or else I might get nightmares. And all this ridiculousness, if granted, would then beg the question of "what do Angels actually look like?". What are they? How do they look to themselves even, or to their Faceless and Demon enemies?
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The Young Traveler
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted March 25, 2015 12:24 AM |
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A8T
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 12:32 AM |
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Ahh, but we are just talking about splicing humans with animals or demons.
Question is, could you splice the other Ashan races with Demons or Animals.
Or in turn, could Demons splice themselves with other Ashan races or animals to gain an advantage, and if they could why have they not done so (yep, it would be a bit too Zerg like).
Mantinaut will be a thing! Or should that be Juggercore?
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 01:09 AM |
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Yeah, that other guy also suggested mutating stronghold...
I think you don't realize how difficult it was to create Orcs in the first place. Animal hybrids is one thing, but mixing Asha's creation with Urgash's aberrations? That was nearly impossible, and before a breakthrough was discovered, humans infused with demon blood were literally burning alive. And even that breakthrough was a result of analytical research - you expect Demons to be able to focus on something like that?
Kha-Beleth would most likely be the one in whole Sheogh capable of creating such creatures and controling them would be a tricky matter in itself. Ashan's creations with Demon traits wouldn't be demons - there's no guarantee they would serve the demon host. Demons themselves on the other hand would most likely not even respond to being infused with anything, as their biology itself is pretty... unnatural.
They could mutate on their own, and they do - there's no strength to be found for them in Ashan.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 01:25 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 01:26, 25 Mar 2015.
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Or in turn, could Demons splice themselves with other Ashan races or animals to gain an advantage, and if they could why have they not done so (yep, it would be a bit too Zerg like).
I'm pretty sure if you can splice demons with humans you can splice them with at least elves, dwarves or naga, though I'm not sure about angels or faceless.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 03:51 AM |
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The angel appareance is not a case of decieving, its actually a case of... Several truths.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted March 25, 2015 04:04 AM |
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Sligneris said:
Kha-Beleth would most likely be the one in whole Sheogh capable of creating such creatures and controling them would be a tricky matter in itself. Ashan's creations with Demon traits wouldn't be demons - there's no guarantee they would serve the demon host. Demons themselves on the other hand would most likely not even respond to being infused with anything, as their biology itself is pretty... unnatural.
They could mutate on their own, and they do - there's no strength to be found for them in Ashan.
On the other hand, f I recall correctly, Azkaal talked about Cyclopses existing in Sheogh before orc's were created, so some "mutations" could have happened.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 07:34 AM |
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Angels and humans must be "somewhat" compatible, otherwise the H6 Inferno campaign wouldn't make any sense.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted March 25, 2015 07:41 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Angels and humans must be "somewhat" compatible, otherwise the H6 Inferno campaign wouldn't make any sense.
neither would the necro campaign
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 08:56 AM |
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Why go with the trouble of creating orcs in the first place? Isn't it easier to just concquer and enslave other humans? or elves? Orcs have the same tendency to rebell as any other race. They might even attract symphatizers among other factions. Even worse, they are half demons, which would make them very volatile and dangerous.
And why the need to have living slaves anyway? Use golems instead. You don't need to give them food, nor a place to sleep, nor do they tire, and can basicaly work 24/7. They won't rebell, and other factions/races won't hate you. You can even make them as big or as small as you'd like. Speaking of which ... for wizard ladies ... golem sex slave is always rock hard 
Orcs have no reason to even exist.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 09:11 AM |
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Edited by Minion at 09:13, 25 Mar 2015.
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Orcs were created exactly because they are strong, to fight the demons. It was a "desperate attempt to prevent the Demon hordes from overrunning the known world"
The Orc shock troops become the decisive weapon in the War of the Blood Moon, turning the tide of the conflict and saving Ashan from total destruction.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted March 25, 2015 09:21 AM |
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Stevie said:
"what do Angels actually look like?". What are they? How do they look to themselves even, or to their Faceless and Demon enemies?
You misunderstand.
Angels look like winged humanoids. Their features (in the sense "facial characteristics") are perceived differently by the beholder to match his own concept of beauty, but their general body shape and appearance stay the same.
Dwarves don't see Angels with the size of a Dwarf, they see regular-size Angels with facial features that look kinda attractive for a Dwarf.
JollyJoker said:
Angels and humans must be "somewhat" compatible, otherwise the H6 Inferno campaign wouldn't make any sense.
Nothing is said about sex in the Inferno and Necropolis campaigns. There was romance between Uriel and Anastasya, and between Kiril and Sarah (it's implied, anyway), but you never see Anastasya or Sarah get pregnant from that romance. They're descibed as "lovers", but I'm pretty sure they could find some other ways to give intimate pleasure to each other...
Gosh, I can't believe I'm actually typing this ^^'
Zombi_Wizzard said:
Why go with the trouble of creating orcs in the first place?
Orcs were created as shock troops against the Demons. It was a case of "fight fire with fire".
Also, Wizards enjoy playing gods.
Zombi_Wizzard said:
And why the need to have living slaves anyway? Use golems instead.
Golems began to be used later, specifically because Orcs and Beastmen were too... unreliable.
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Limbic-Jaelle
Shaper of Lore
Communication Management, Limbic Ent.
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posted March 25, 2015 10:40 AM |
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Hey guys... just a short question!
If you could ask the Limbic-founders one question, what would be interesting for you to know?
Please, spare me some answers like "nothing, because [enter random negativity].
Thanks in advance! 
Cheers,
Nicole
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 10:41 AM |
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Marzhin said:
JollyJoker said:
Angels and humans must be "somewhat" compatible, otherwise the H6 Inferno campaign wouldn't make any sense.
Nothing is said about sex in the Inferno and Necropolis campaigns. There was romance between Uriel and Anastasya, and between Kiril and Sarah (it's implied, anyway), but you never see Anastasya or Sarah get pregnant from that romance. They're descibed as "lovers", but I'm pretty sure they could find some other ways to give intimate pleasure to each other...
Gosh, I can't believe I'm actually typing this ^^'
"Somewhat compatible" implies - for me - sex, yes, offspring ... improbable, due to a genetic incompatibility.
However, that's obviously nothing the Wizards couldn't fix, considering their previous record with making genetically incompatible species compatible, one way or another.
What I find a lot more disturbing with all this is the fact that the Wizards's experiments are without a shadow of doubt something that Urgash would have a lot of fun with as "Father Chaos", since more or less randomly mixing species would be a believable pastime of him, mocking and warping his sister's creation instead of trying to copy it in some strange way.
Bit of a stretch, the Frankenstein Wizards, because morally speaking, they are on par with what would have been the masters of the Forge faction.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 25, 2015 11:10 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 11:10, 25 Mar 2015.
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Marzhin said:
You misunderstand.
Angels look like winged humanoids. Their features (in the sense "facial characteristics") are perceived differently by the beholder to match his own concept of beauty, but their general body shape and appearance stay the same.
Dwarves don't see Angels with the size of a Dwarf, they see regular-size Angels with facial features that look kinda attractive for a Dwarf.
Oh, thanks for the clarification. Yea, it's better now. An Angel with snake hair for Nagas, a Dragon head for Dragons, a horse face with a horn for an Unicorn and 8 eyes with chelicerae for a Spider makes much more sense. Totally. Or perhaps you mean only the facial features? Same deal. And the concept can be interpreted as a form of deceit, clashing with what we would otherwise believe about such a creature. So to me it's something ridiculous and unfitting for an Angel.
Limbic-Jaelle said:
If you could ask the Limbic-founders one question, what would be interesting for you to know?
What is the Unreal Engine 4 project they're hiring people for? Can they give us any hint if it's related to M&M?
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