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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted April 19, 2015 05:21 PM |
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I think it needs to be stressed out - sim turns will be present in Heroes VII.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 19, 2015 05:25 PM |
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Yes Haven is still cool, and so are Academy and Stronghold. But now there seems to be wars over mechanics ...
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted April 19, 2015 05:26 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 17:50, 19 Apr 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
at least haven is cool.
...right?
Yes it is:
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted April 19, 2015 05:32 PM |
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cleglaw said:
yesterday at council i realised some people, dont know its majority or minority, doesnt even want new things like competetive gaming, sim turns, creatures.. it really made me sad to see such closed minds. i wonder how many of you agree with this guy. all i see at council is weak observations, prejudgement and hate towards anything presented. i tried to explain what is written here about magic system but still they say exact same things, and here i see war-overlords and others posts... why you guys are like that?
1: Even when we lose our heads from time to time, people here are generally calm, thoughtful and actually have the best of the game on their hearts, even if our idea of "the best" may wary.
2: A lot of people here are long time fans that have actively done a huge pile of work for the games (Maps, Modes, Fan-sites). We have people here, who take care of Spanish, Polish, Hungarian or Czech fan-sites here, people who made tons of maps and modes and organized events. The result is, that, from a certain view, they are used to a certain level of negativity.
3: Many people have In-depth knowledge of the games, Mechanical-wise, Lore-wise and from the point of active players. Such people can look pass the shallow shell of the information we get and try to understand it in as a part of a bigger picture.
In the end, even if I myself often let out some steam, I believe a lot of us have vital things to contribute.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 05:43 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
1: Even when we lose our heads from time to time, people here are generally calm, thoughtful and actually have the best of the game on their hearts, even if our idea of "the best" may wary.
2: A lot of people here are long time fans that have actively done a huge pile of work for the games (Maps, Modes, Fan-sites). We have people here, who take care of Spanish, Polish, Hungarian or Czech fan-sites here, people who made tons of maps and modes and organized events. The result is, that, from a certain view, they are used to a certain level of negativity.
3: Many people have In-depth knowledge of the games, Mechanical-wise, Lore-wise and from the point of active players. Such people can look pass the shallow shell of the information we get and try to understand it in as a part of a bigger picture.
In the end, even if I myself often let out some steam, I believe a lot of us have vital things to contribute.
This was so heartwarming. Can't do anything but agree.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 19, 2015 06:03 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Btw I don't fallow the Official page's comments. What is going on there?
It resembles the sewage pipe of a person with explosive diarrhea, except that, nothing wrong.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 06:18 PM |
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 06:23 PM |
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Stevie said:
Why are posts disappearing every minute?
Writers of the post/mods are deleting them because they don't add to discussion, maybe? I dunno.
Going with Avonu's revised list of skills, which comes up to about 23, what else is there? I know the devs said about 30, which should mean at least 25, if anything. If scouting and exploration are the same, and there is no "external" magic skill like Sorcery, what else could there be?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted April 19, 2015 06:40 PM |
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I was making a count few days back and ended up with the number 24
6 racial
7 "Magic"
6-5 "might"
5 "Netural/world"
Racial
- righteousness
- Metamagic
- Blood rage
- Necromancy
- TBA Sylvan skill
- TBA Dunegon Skill
Magic
- 7x *elemental* magic
Might
- Warcries
- Warfare
- Offence
- Deffence
- Leadership
Neutral
- Diplomacy
- Economics
- Paragon
- Exploration
- Destiny
I'm not sure about the last one (tactics?)
Taken from presented classes and Screenshots
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 06:44 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Spravedlivost
...what? 
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 06:47 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Dave_Jame said:
Spravedlivost
...what?
It appears to be Slovakian for "justness". The English name for it is Righteousness, so...
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted April 19, 2015 07:06 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 19:15, 19 Apr 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
Might
- Leadership
Neutral
- Destiny
Both Leadership and Luck  probably belongs to same "category" - Neutral or Might.
Sligneris said:
Dave_Jame said:
Spravedlivost
...what?
Justice
Dave_Jame said:
- TBA Sylvan skill
- TBA Dunegon Skill
...a.k.a. Greenpeace and Born to be Purple. 
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 07:07 PM |
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Galaad said:
Yes Haven is still cool, and so are Academy and Stronghold. But now there seems to be wars over mechanics ...
I would even add necro to that list But really the mechanics are troubling. I thought they were improving quite well with the line ups and creature choices but none of it matters with the kind of skill system we're gonna have.
Things were looking good. We get to choose between two champion creatures! awesome! But now we get less choices when determining the player's preferred style of playing. Instead we are given a path to either follow or go against. Factions in the past had strengths and weaknesses, and in H7 factions have things they can't do, and things they can do.
Can I play academy and play with Might heroes? Sure! Can I play academy might heroes without having to play with magic? NO!!! They specialize in magic!
Maybe they have some elaborate scheme behind it all that might be fun but I just feel like its too big of a game element for them to go changing.
Looking at similarities between classes...Just like the faction line ups, some are the exact same.
Vindicator (Haven,offensive might) and Warmonger(stronghold,offensive might) have the same main skills, besides faction skill.
Ebon Knight (Necro, offensive might) and Necromancer (necro,offensive magic) have the same main skills, even the faction skill..
Paladin (Haven, Defensive might) and Bone Guard(Necro, Defensive might)have the same main skills, two apparently opposite factions seem to think alike.
There are more for any that care to look. I thought the ebon knight and necromancer was really dumb. Why does the knight need dark magic I would assume the most offensive might hero would at least play like a might hero.
Personally I think they're dumbing the game down. We should be free to pick our main skills and formulate our own strategies from a pool of skills rather than picking from a puddle of classes and hoping one fits to our likings.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted April 19, 2015 07:32 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 19:41, 19 Apr 2015.
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The_Green_Drag said:
There are more for any that care to look
Here you go - racial skill + 2 the same skills:
Vindicator - Righteousness, Warcries, Offense
Warmonger - Bloodrage, Warcries, Offense
Paladin - Righteousness, Diplomacy, Defense
Bone Guard - Necromancy, Defense, Diplomacy
Battlemage - Metamagic, Air Magic, Warfare
Stromcaller - Bloodrage, Warfare, Air Magic
Wizard - Metamagic, Prime Magic, Paragon
Emblamer - Necromancy, Prime Magic, Paragon
Ebon Knight - Necromancy, Offense, Dark Magic
Necromancer - Necromancy, Dark Magic, Offense
And the rest of classes if you want to include them in the future:
Knight - Righteousness, Leadership, Economy
Inquisitor - Righteousness, Warfare, Fire Magic
Priest - Righteousness, Light magic, Prime magic
Confessor - Righteousness, Light magic, Paragon
Blademage - Metamagic, Prime magic, Warfare
Alchemist - Metamagic, Economy, Paragon
Sheriff - Metamagic, Diplomacy, Light Magic
Enchanter - Metamagic, Prime Magic, Earth magic
Death knight - Necromancy, Warfare, Economy
Archon - Necromancy, Prime Magic, Defense
Barbarian - Bloodrage, Warcries, Warfare
Chieftan - Bloodrage, Warfare, Defense
Shaman - Bloodrage, Exploration, Paragon
Earthshapper - Bloodrage, Defense, Earth Magic
I should post now some rant about, why the hell a Wizard need Paragon and not Air Magic as main skill for example (as (s)he should be skilled in all 7 magic schools) or why if I want to play "true" magic hero (who can master majority of 7 magic schools) I need to choose Enchanter or Priest... but I am not in mood right now.
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 07:45 PM |
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Avonu said:
The_Green_Drag said:
There are more for any that care to look
*snip*
Having some heroes sharing main skills is a bit saddening, to be sure.
However, there is still 7 extra skills each hero can obtain. Sharing 2 out of 10 isn't too bad, though likely the number will increase, 5 doesn't seem like too much a stretch of the imagination. I could easily see both the Warmonger and Vindicator having Leadership too. I suppose it depends on the overlap of all skills, not just the main. Once the full wheels for each hero comes along, we'll be able to see just how similar heroes are, for better or for worse.
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Greenlore
Known Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 08:41 PM |
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Well we should keep in mind that we are also getting 36 different hero classes and that they most likely want to avoid certain combinations.
For example it seems they don't want to give us a hero who specializes in 2 different magic schools,or someone who specializes in offense and defense.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 08:51 PM |
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Greenlore said:
Well we should keep in mind that we are also getting 42 different hero classes and that they most likely want to avoid certain combinations.
For example it seems they don't want to give us a hero who specializes in 2 different magic schools,or someone who specializes in offense and defense.
That's 36, I believe. 6 heroes * 6 factions. Dunno where you got the extra 6.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted April 19, 2015 08:54 PM |
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Greenlore said:
Well we should keep in mind that we are also getting 42 different hero classes and that they most likely want to avoid certain combinations.
For example it seems they don't want to give us a hero who specializes in 2 different magic schools,or someone who specializes in offense and defense.
You mean 36 right :-P
Sligneris said:
Dave_Jame said:
Spravedlivost
...what?
couldn't be bothered to find the stuff on the official page, so I took what I had on my local web and translated it back, missed one. It's correct now.
Protolisk said:
It appears to be Slovakian for "justness". The English name for it is Righteousness, so...
It's not Slovak but Czech :-P. Easy to mix up, I know ;-).
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Greenlore
Known Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 09:04 PM |
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Protolisk said:
Greenlore said:
Well we should keep in mind that we are also getting 42 different hero classes and that they most likely want to avoid certain combinations.
For example it seems they don't want to give us a hero who specializes in 2 different magic schools,or someone who specializes in offense and defense.
That's 36, I believe. 6 heroes * 6 factions. Dunno where you got the extra 6.
uups sorry,probably thought about 7 because I was talking about the 7 magic schools
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 09:10 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Protolisk said:
It appears to be Slovakian for "justness". The English name for it is Righteousness, so...
It's not Slovak but Czech :-P. Easy to mix up, I know ;-).
Oh, sorry. I don't know the difference myself. I just plopped it into Google Translate and its best guess for language was Slovak. Though they probably have some cognates.
I wish they don't focus on just magic next week. I want to see a flip-flop between might and magic, every time they reveal a skill.
Also, the fact that they "revealed" an article a day last week was great. Yeah, some were small, but I still enjoyed it. I hope they have enough stuff to do that for a while.
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